Value of #6 and #11 on the trade market

axl_c_cool · Post #1 » by **axl_c_cool** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:23 pm

Apologies if this has already been discussed, I couldn't find a thread.

Unless someone drops, I can't see us using both draft picks, especially as it seems we should be a playoff contender this season.

What do you all think is the value of each of the picks, and the picks together if we decide to make a trade night trade?

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three3d · Post #2 » by **three3d** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:57 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:Apologies if this has already been discussed, I couldn't find a thread.

Unless someone drops, I can't see us using both draft picks, especially as it seems we should be a playoff contender this season.

What do you all think is the value of each of the picks, and the picks together if we decide to make a trade night trade?

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I think you absolutely use both picks this year but exactly for who is the question. Biggest need is a shooting guard and Jordan Hawkins fits perfectly with this team as he’s a guard that doesn’t need the ball in his hand to creat his own shot. He’s a three point threat right away and will help open up the paint for Paolo. Grady Dick seems to be a popular option also but I see him to much like Franz IMO. Either way both picks don’t have to be starters right away so maybe it would be Grady and Hawkins. Bilal out of France is also someone I’d be interested in as a draft and stash player. This should be the last year we are picking this high for a long time so we have to get value.

Post #3 » by **Bensational** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:59 pm

Can’t imagine the value will be all that high considering 3 is in the market and 4 is rumoured to be - and neither seem to be getting the offers they want.

I haven’t heard rumours about the reported value of the picks in a trade though, sorry.

VFX · Post #4 » by **VFX** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:11 pm

Weltman just yesterday in a press conference talked about how they will not take shortcuts with building the roster. They will use one or both picks.

The Effect · Post #5 » by **The Effect** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:43 pm

we would be crazy to not use both lotto picks

We arent good enough to pass off lotto picks and even more than that, we are soon going to have to sign franz to a big extension, paolo a year later, plus likely going to sign cole to one, we'll see about suggs and just to make some users cry, probably fultz as well....we have to get all the cheap, high potential talent we can get. If we are trading one of the picks, its likely for a young player looking to get paid to a huge money deal (vassell, or josh green come to mind) or a player who needs PT and on the wrong team (kuminga\moody, bouknight, Ziaire Williams)

In either scenario id rather take my chances on someone gradey, hawkins, lively, etc

Skybox · Post #6 » by **Skybox** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:32 am

6 and Okeke for Simons and 23
11 (& cap space) for Simons
11 (& cap space) for Herro
11, Fultz, Okeke for Poole & 19

Skybox · Post #7 » by **Skybox** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:35 am

I’d love to turn 6&11 into Hawkins, Bufkin, Lively (basically 3 guys around 10-15 range)…value seems right, but no one has those picks to swap back

I do hope we trade back a little back from 6, grab a young player and a pick that serves us just as well

Magic2030 · Post #8 » by **Magic2030** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:32 am

Skybox wrote:I’d love to turn 6&11 into Hawkins, Bufkin, Lively (basically 3 guys around 10-15 range)…value seems right, but no one has those picks to swap back

I do hope we trade back a little back from 6, grab a young player and a pick that serves us just as well

Utah looking to move up, they have 9, 16, & 28. Also a slew of future firsts.

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tiderulz · Post #9 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:45 am

Magic2030 wrote:
Skybox wrote:I’d love to turn 6&11 into Hawkins, Bufkin, Lively (basically 3 guys around 10-15 range)…value seems right, but no one has those picks to swap back

I do hope we trade back a little back from 6, grab a young player and a pick that serves us just as well

Utah looking to move up, they have 9, 16, & 28. Also a slew of future firsts.

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we know there is no way we bring in 3 rookies

MoMM · Post #10 » by **MoMM** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:53 am

Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

Message Boar · Post #11 » by **Message Boar** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:16 am

Yeah I really don't get this "we're set" mentality some fans/journalists seem to have. A truly bright future is not guaranteed, we just have a few more cornerstone pieces in place than we've been used to. Ending up with one more star/quasi-star/quality starter from this draft could mean the difference between being a decent-ish team that never goes anywhere (ie the Hawks) and being a team with actual championship hoper or that at least makes postseason runs in a few years. Either via these prospects directly or more trade assets being available for a big trade later.

More on topic, #6+filler should net a fairly quality player. Picks around #11 and lower usually really don't give the return you'd be hoping for as a fan, trading it back for a later pick and a future pick and still ending up with someone like a Hawkins would be good for us, though.

GatorbaitDD · Post #12 » by **GatorbaitDD** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:44 am

MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

Sadly, I don't think this gets it done. Portland is a bad trade partner for the Magic. They want win now pieces not picks.

OhioRock3 · Post #13 » by **OhioRock3** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:55 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:
MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

Sadly, I don't think this gets it done. Portland is a bad trade partner for the Magic. They want win now pieces not picks.

True, but they could flip the picks to someone else for win now pieces

Post #14 » by **eyriq** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:03 pm

Message Boar wrote:Yeah I really don't get this "we're set" mentality some fans/journalists seem to have. A truly bright future is not guaranteed, we just have a few more cornerstone pieces in place than we've been used to. Ending up with one more star/quasi-star/quality starter from this draft could mean the difference between being a decent-ish team that never goes anywhere (ie the Hawks) and being a team with actual championship hoper or that at least makes postseason runs in a few years. Either via these prospects directly or more trade assets being available for a big trade later.

More on topic, #6+filler should net a fairly quality player. Picks around #11 and lower usually really don't give the return you'd be hoping for as a fan, trading it back for a later pick and a future pick and still ending up with someone like a Hawkins would be good for us, though.

I don't get the "we're set" mentality either. Realistically we'll have two players from the 2023 team on the 2027 team when we are really ramping things up. Maybe three if Suggs pans out. This draft is the perfect opportunity to expand our core for our future championship run.

drsd · Post #15 » by **drsd** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:17 pm

MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

All the sudden, Mr. SRP becomes an important piece for Orlando. Let's go with Brice Sensabaugh. And the Magic is in a kind of must-mode to resign M-Wagner then.

Opening night 2023/24

Fultz/Henderson/some-dude
Suggs/some-dude/Houstan
F-Wagner/Bol/Sensabaugh
Banchero/some-dude/Okeke
Cater/Bitadze/M-Wagner

It is an interesting team and become really, really interesting in the 2024.25 season when Henderson is given the keys to the car. A slap shy FA signing to upgrade Suggs at the SG slot makes Orlando a truly complete starting five.

I don't like this direction personally, but I think it is an interesting path for management to consider.

jezzerinho · Post #16 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:26 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:
MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

Sadly, I don't think this gets it done. Portland is a bad trade partner for the Magic. They want win now pieces not picks.

For it to happen, we'd need a third team with a player of interest who wants to move up or have more 1st rounders. Maybe involve Wash with Kuzma or NOP with a young wing or even Zion?

GatorbaitDD · Post #17 » by **GatorbaitDD** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:57 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:
MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

Sadly, I don't think this gets it done. Portland is a bad trade partner for the Magic. They want win now pieces not picks.

For it to happen, we'd need a third team with a player of interest who wants to move up or have more 1st rounders. Maybe involve Wash with Kuzma or NOP with a young wing or even Zion?

Over complicated when they can simply deal 3 and cut us out

three3d · Post #18 » by **three3d** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:02 pm

eyriq wrote:
Message Boar wrote:Yeah I really don't get this "we're set" mentality some fans/journalists seem to have. A truly bright future is not guaranteed, we just have a few more cornerstone pieces in place than we've been used to. Ending up with one more star/quasi-star/quality starter from this draft could mean the difference between being a decent-ish team that never goes anywhere (ie the Hawks) and being a team with actual championship hoper or that at least makes postseason runs in a few years. Either via these prospects directly or more trade assets being available for a big trade later.

More on topic, #6+filler should net a fairly quality player. Picks around #11 and lower usually really don't give the return you'd be hoping for as a fan, trading it back for a later pick and a future pick and still ending up with someone like a Hawkins would be good for us, though.
I don't get the "we're set" mentality either. Realistically we'll have two players from the 2023 team on the 2027 team when we are really ramping things up. Maybe three if Suggs pans out. This draft is the perfect opportunity to expand our core for our future championship run.

We are just an injury away ( knock on wood ) between Franz or Paolo ruining the entire season. It’s absolutely necessary to draft a shooting guard ( Jordan Hawkins ) and a backup for Franz and or Paolo tonight. Grady Dick could come off the bench for Franz and be a better fit as I don’t see him being a sg even though I’ve seen him listed as that. Would Taylor Hendricks be a decent backup to Paolo? If not who’s best to be Paolo’s backup?

three3d · Post #19 » by **three3d** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:06 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:
Sadly, I don't think this gets it done. Portland is a bad trade partner for the Magic. They want win now pieces not picks.

For it to happen, we'd need a third team with a player of interest who wants to move up or have more 1st rounders. Maybe involve Wash with Kuzma or NOP with a young wing or even Zion?

Over complicated when they can simply deal 3 and cut us out

I’ve tossed it out there sending Fultz to the Suns and the 11th pick. The Suns sending Ayton to Portland, and Portland sending us Anfernee Simons and the 3rd pick for Suggs and the 6th pick. Win win win ….. Not sure how realistic it is but I think every team gets better in this deal.

The Effect · Post #20 » by **The Effect** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:14 pm

MoMM wrote:Trade #6 + #11 + JI/Cole/Gary for #3 (Scoot) and I am OK with getting some bad contract back.

I cant see the hornets taking something like that

6+11 will help them fill the team around lamelo, and cole is a perfect 6th man and backup for him, not to mention he went ot UNC and probably a fan favorite out there

Imagine a lineup for them of

C - M. Williams
PF - PJ Washington
SF - Oubre
SG - Ausar (6)
PG - LaMelo

and a bench of COle, Hayward, Hendricks (11), and Bouknight

Thats a great look for them