Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

It's really not.

You believe 44 wins and losing both play-in games followed by winning 51 games and getting gentlemens swept in the first round is somehow beneficial? Hard disagree.

Of course it was beneficial and btw, that wasn't a "gentlemen's sweep". They weren't at any point up 3-0 and they didn't let us win a game so they could close us out at home. We were in fact only ~8 minutes away from tying the series and going back home tied 2-2.

And if they do have the wrong coach and the wrong roster? It's still beneficial. Clarity is always beneficial.

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=gentlemans-sweep#:~:text=In%20sports%2C%20a%20%22gentleman's%20sweep,a%20losing%20team's%20home%20crowd.

It was 100% a gentlemen's sweep.

Nope, you don't lose game 2 as a "courtesy" on your way to a gentleman's sweep.

Just because it's on the web, doesn't mean it's true.

[JujitsuFlip]

Of course it was beneficial and btw, that wasn't a "gentlemen's sweep". They weren't at any point up 3-0 and they didn't let us win a game so they could close us out at home. We were in fact only ~8 minutes away from tying the series and going back home tied 2-2.

And if they do have the wrong coach and the wrong roster? It's still beneficial. Clarity is always beneficial.

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=gentlemans-sweep#:~:text=In%20sports%2C%20a%20%22gentleman's%20sweep,a%20losing%20team's%20home%20crowd.

It was 100% a gentlemen's sweep.

Nope, you don't lose game 2 as a "courtesy" on your way to a gentleman's sweep.

Just because it's on the web, doesn't mean it's true.

Just bc Jon says it on a message board doesn't make it real either, lmao

[mcfly1204]

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=gentlemans-sweep#:~:text=In%20sports%2C%20a%20%22gentleman's%20sweep,a%20losing%20team's%20home%20crowd.

It was 100% a gentlemen's sweep.

Nope, you don't lose game 2 as a "courtesy" on your way to a gentleman's sweep.

Just because it's on the web, doesn't mean it's true.

Just bc Jon says it on a message board doesn't make it real either, lmao

A gentleman's sweep is not a real thing, it's just a fun term for fans and "pundits" to throw around.

[jbk1234]

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=gentlemans-sweep#:~:text=In%20sports%2C%20a%20%22gentleman's%20sweep,a%20losing%20team's%20home%20crowd.

It was 100% a gentlemen's sweep.

Nope, you don't lose game 2 as a "courtesy" on your way to a gentleman's sweep.

Just because it's on the web, doesn't mean it's true.

Just bc Jon says it on a message board doesn't make it real either, lmao

Dude, you're talking crazy now. I promise you when this series was 1-1 and we just beat the Knicks badly, that the Knicks were nervous. All it would've taken for us to take Game 4 would've been for Mitchell to play well, not great, just well in the 4th quarter.

[JujitsuFlip]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

[jbk1234]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

You could just wait for the Wizards to cut them.

[JujitsuFlip]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

You could just wait for the Wizards to cut them.

Yeah but then you're bidding against the open market, which I doubt the Cavs land either guy, in that instance.

[jbk1234]

With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.

You could just wait for the Wizards to cut them.

Yeah but then you're bidding against the open market, which I doubt the Cavs land either guy, in that instance.

Muscala is a 4th or 5th big on a decent team. The Celtics tried pushing him up the depth chart into a larger role and it worked out poorly.

Gallo may be done. He may not be, but I'm not interested in committing more than a league minimum contract to him to find out.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=gentlemans-sweep#:~:text=In%20sports%2C%20a%20%22gentleman's%20sweep,a%20losing%20team's%20home%20crowd.

It was 100% a gentlemen's sweep.

Nope, you don't lose game 2 as a "courtesy" on your way to a gentleman's sweep.

Just because it's on the web, doesn't mean it's true.

Just bc Jon says it on a message board doesn't make it real either, lmao

It probably should, though.

[JujitsuFlip]

You could just wait for the Wizards to cut them.

Yeah but then you're bidding against the open market, which I doubt the Cavs land either guy, in that instance.

Muscala is a 4th or 5th big on a decent team. The Celtics tried pushing him up the depth chart into a larger role and it worked out poorly.

Gallo may be done. He may not be, but I'm not interested in committing more than a league minimum contract to him to find out.

$6 million to a washed Rubio or $6 million to a washed Gallo is kinda moot, Cavs are gonna need a real back-up PG either way.

I'm just looking for creative ways to get shooting on the roster with the limited assets the Cavs have.

[JonFromVA]

You could just wait for the Wizards to cut them.

Yeah but then you're bidding against the open market, which I doubt the Cavs land either guy, in that instance.

Muscala is a 4th or 5th big on a decent team. The Celtics tried pushing him up the depth chart into a larger role and it worked out poorly.

Gallo may be done. He may not be, but I'm not interested in committing more than a league minimum contract to him to find out.

The lineup numbers suggest to me that Muscala could be used effectively as a C in a small ball lineup, but I imagine you'd want a rugged PF that can shoot as well as wings that can shoot/defend.

Rolling the dice on a player like Gallo may be one of our better options.

They might even fit together?

Neither of their salaries scare me if we can get them in trade, and if we do ... we would still have our exceptions to use. I believe Cedi's (and other non-guaranteed) contract can still be used at it's full amount until the end of the month.

[jbk1234]

Yeah but then you're bidding against the open market, which I doubt the Cavs land either guy, in that instance.

Muscala is a 4th or 5th big on a decent team. The Celtics tried pushing him up the depth chart into a larger role and it worked out poorly.

Gallo may be done. He may not be, but I'm not interested in committing more than a league minimum contract to him to find out.

$6 million to a washed Rubio or $6 million to a washed Gallo is kinda moot, Cavs are gonna need a real back-up PG either way.

I'm just looking for creative ways to get shooting on the roster with the limited assets the Cavs have.

The Cavs gave Rubio that deal knowing that players over 30 coming off ACL surgery often require two years to fully recover. I'm not saying Rubio will recover that first step, but it's not uncommon for older guys to bounce back in year two. If it doesn't happen, he'll be a good locker room guy and his third year is a T.O. But if he does bounce back, and the Cavs view him as a luxury at the deadline, he'll have good trade value.

[JonFromVA]

Muscala is a 4th or 5th big on a decent team. The Celtics tried pushing him up the depth chart into a larger role and it worked out poorly.

Gallo may be done. He may not be, but I'm not interested in committing more than a league minimum contract to him to find out.

$6 million to a washed Rubio or $6 million to a washed Gallo is kinda moot, Cavs are gonna need a real back-up PG either way.

I'm just looking for creative ways to get shooting on the roster with the limited assets the Cavs have.

The Cavs gave Rubio that deal knowing that players over 30 coming off ACL surgery often require two years to fully recover. I'm not saying Rubio will recover that first step, but it's not uncommon for older guys to bounce back in year two. If it doesn't happen, he'll be a good locker room guy and his third year is a T.O. But if he does bounce back, and the Cavs view him as a luxury at the deadline, he'll have good trade value.

And if Rubio isn't feeling it and is thinking of retiring, we could use him to erase a salary off another team's roster now and that guy could play the role of expiring contract if we need one at the deadline. Rubio's team option will no longer be useful as salary filler in a trade under the new CBA.

[jbk1234]

$6 million to a washed Rubio or $6 million to a washed Gallo is kinda moot, Cavs are gonna need a real back-up PG either way.

I'm just looking for creative ways to get shooting on the roster with the limited assets the Cavs have.

The Cavs gave Rubio that deal knowing that players over 30 coming off ACL surgery often require two years to fully recover. I'm not saying Rubio will recover that first step, but it's not uncommon for older guys to bounce back in year two. If it doesn't happen, he'll be a good locker room guy and his third year is a T.O. But if he does bounce back, and the Cavs view him as a luxury at the deadline, he'll have good trade value.

And if Rubio isn't feeling it and is thinking of retiring, we could use him to erase a salary off another team's roster now and that guy could play the role of expiring contract if we need one at the deadline. Rubio's team option will no longer be useful as salary filler in a trade under the new CBA.

Wait, are you saying if he's traded at the deadline, the team that gets him can't decline it the next summer?

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs gave Rubio that deal knowing that players over 30 coming off ACL surgery often require two years to fully recover. I'm not saying Rubio will recover that first step, but it's not uncommon for older guys to bounce back in year two. If it doesn't happen, he'll be a good locker room guy and his third year is a T.O. But if he does bounce back, and the Cavs view him as a luxury at the deadline, he'll have good trade value.

And if Rubio isn't feeling it and is thinking of retiring, we could use him to erase a salary off another team's roster now and that guy could play the role of expiring contract if we need one at the deadline. Rubio's team option will no longer be useful as salary filler in a trade under the new CBA.

Wait, are you saying if he's traded at the deadline, the team that gets him can't decline it the next summer?

No, what I'm saying is if we trade him next Summer we won't be able to take back his non-guaranteed amount in salary. His TO doesn't have any value to anyone if he can't play anymore or no longer wants to.

[jbk1234]

And if Rubio isn't feeling it and is thinking of retiring, we could use him to erase a salary off another team's roster now and that guy could play the role of expiring contract if we need one at the deadline. Rubio's team option will no longer be useful as salary filler in a trade under the new CBA.

Wait, are you saying if he's traded at the deadline, the team that gets him can't decline it the next summer?

No, what I'm saying is if we trade him next Summer we won't be able to take back his non-guaranteed amount in salary. His TO doesn't have any value to anyone if he can't play anymore or no longer wants to.

Yeah, I'm saying if he's close to his old self the first half of this season, he could have real trade value at the deadline. Assuming all of Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert are on the roster, we might view him as a bit of a luxury.

[JujitsuFlip]

Wait, are you saying if he's traded at the deadline, the team that gets him can't decline it the next summer?

No, what I'm saying is if we trade him next Summer we won't be able to take back his non-guaranteed amount in salary. His TO doesn't have any value to anyone if he can't play anymore or no longer wants to.

Yeah, I'm saying if he's close to his old self the first half of this season, he could have real trade value at the deadline. Assuming all of Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert are on the roster, we might view him as a bit of a luxury.

If Rubio bounces back, there's no reason to trade him. I say move him for a big now, such as Gallo and get a new back-up PG in free agency.

[JonFromVA]

Wait, are you saying if he's traded at the deadline, the team that gets him can't decline it the next summer?

No, what I'm saying is if we trade him next Summer we won't be able to take back his non-guaranteed amount in salary. His TO doesn't have any value to anyone if he can't play anymore or no longer wants to.

Yeah, I'm saying if he's close to his old self the first half of this season, he could have real trade value at the deadline. Assuming all of Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert are on the roster, we might view him as a bit of a luxury.

If he's helping us win games, though, why not keep him?

If he's not ... he won't be worth much more than an expiring salary, especially if he's thinking of retiring.

[jbk1234]

No, what I'm saying is if we trade him next Summer we won't be able to take back his non-guaranteed amount in salary. His TO doesn't have any value to anyone if he can't play anymore or no longer wants to.

Yeah, I'm saying if he's close to his old self the first half of this season, he could have real trade value at the deadline. Assuming all of Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert are on the roster, we might view him as a bit of a luxury.

If Rubio bounces back, there's no reason to trade him. I say move him for a big now, such as Gallo and get a new back-up PG in free agency.

Seriously, Gallo isn't worth trading for. I trust Prince more on the health front. But if you're heart's set on it, just offer Cedi and a second. The Wizards are presently overloaded at PG.

[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, I'm saying if he's close to his old self the first half of this season, he could have real trade value at the deadline. Assuming all of Garland, Mitchell, and LeVert are on the roster, we might view him as a bit of a luxury.

If Rubio bounces back, there's no reason to trade him. I say move him for a big now, such as Gallo and get a new back-up PG in free agency.

Seriously, Gallo isn't worth trading for. I trust Prince more on the health front. But if you're heart's set on it, just offer Cedi and a second. The Wizards are presently overloaded at PG.

I'm fine with Cedi, although I thought he might be used to try and get Royce O'Neal tonight but that may be a stretch given they gave up a 1st for him.