Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[GooniesNeverDie]

Here's a rumor that has us getting Lillard:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/damian-lillard-trade-destinations-heat-nets-aren-t-only-options-for-superstar-raptors-loom-as-darkhorse/ar-AA1cTzOj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cb8a2d724535400aa101d9e9c781973f&ei=47

Never rule out the Raptors.

Team president Masai Ujiri has shown in the past that he's not afraid to take a big swing. It's still unclear which direction the Raptors are going to take following a season in which they failed to make the playoffs, but trading for Lillard would certainly be a win-now move that could put them in a position to compete for another title.

The Raptors have a number of picks they could offer, but it could come down to the availability of Scottie Barnes, who would make a lot of sense for a rebuilding team. If Barnes continues to be off the table, then it's hard to imagine the Raptors being a realistic option for Lillard.

A team featuring something along the lines of Lillard, Pascal Siakam, O.G. Anunoby and Jakob Poeltl would certainly pack a punch.

Tough to lose Scottie but no Fred makes up for it.

Only deal that works is GTJ / Barnes / Thad / Boucher for Dame.

Dame/OG/Siakam/Achwiua/Poeltl and then Koloko/OPJ/#13 is all we would be left with that is playable.

Unless you are following that up immediately with a FVV S+T in which we get back 3 rotation players there is no way we do that.

Edit: **** it I would be in. No chance Portland accepts Scottie + trash without draft comp though. Adding draft comp on is sketch

Don’t think they get another offer with a blue chip prospect like Scottie. Probably wouldn’t take much in terms of draft compensation. Nothin Miami or Brooklyn has is comparable to Scottie.

Would be weird if traded Scottie for Dame and refused to trade him for KD though.


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[TGM]

Came with peace guys.

What do you think about the following offer:

Portland

Simons + Little + 23 pick

Toronto

OG Anunoby

Why for Portland?

We'll break out of our guard's conundrum to get a serviceable 3+D starter. Of course, OG is not a good one-on-one scorer, his injury story is quite scary and his contract expires the next year. But nonetheless, he's a good glue guy in his prime and I think he is a gamble worth making.

Why for Toronto?
You'll get a young defensive wing. You'll get a first-round pick in a very deep draft. You'll get a man who can easily replace departing VanVleet. All of this sums into a really great value to pull this off. I don't think there is a way you will ever get that much for a very solid but still role-player who might leave you the next year.

Thoughts?

Simons is a negative in a playoff context and Little is like a poor poor poor mans version of OG so I gotta pass on this.

Even if OG never gets better and stays at this level, that's an all defensive caliber player that can give you 16-18 a night on fantastic 3 point # shooting splits.

That's infinitely more valuable than an undersized combo guard in Simons who can put up big numbers in a losing context. Herro is better than him and Heat didn't miss a beat with Herro being out.

This is why Toronto fans get shredded for being homers. Some complain about Simons contract being bad. The guy was one of the top 3PT threats last year. He is worth his contract.

Secondly, we rip Simons for being a negative in the playoffs, while our guys choked in the play-in. So what does that make Pascal, OG and others for us.

Agree that 23 and Simons is not enough for OG. But it is also not as far off as people make it sound. I think OG is a more demanded type of asset, as the other 29 NBA teams aren't as outside shooting challenged as the Raps are.

[Ackshun]

Remove the #23

Add Portland #3 and Toronto #13

This seems a little more balanced now.

That's hilarious man. You propose to add a future all-star in Scoot or Miller into that already unbalanced in favor of Toronto offer. I don't think it makes any sense. Unless you are really willing to enjoy the treadmill team for another year and then risk losing OG for nothing next summer.

Went from peace to war real quick.

I come in peace, but can I give you a one dimensional scorer and the …23rd pick for one of the most sought after, efficient, two way players on the league.

Gtfo here

[OakleyDokely]

If Miller goes 2, watch Portland take Amen at 3.

[Fairview4Life]

This is why Toronto fans get shredded for being homers. ......


Agree that 23 and Simons is not enough for OG.

[HumbleRen]

Came with peace guys.

What do you think about the following offer:

Portland

Simons + Little + 23 pick

Toronto

OG Anunoby

Why for Portland?

We'll break out of our guard's conundrum to get a serviceable 3+D starter. Of course, OG is not a good one-on-one scorer, his injury story is quite scary and his contract expires the next year. But nonetheless, he's a good glue guy in his prime and I think he is a gamble worth making.

Why for Toronto?
You'll get a young defensive wing. You'll get a first-round pick in a very deep draft. You'll get a man who can easily replace departing VanVleet. All of this sums into a really great value to pull this off. I don't think there is a way you will ever get that much for a very solid but still role-player who might leave you the next year.

Thoughts?

Simons is a negative in a playoff context and Little is like a poor poor poor mans version of OG so I gotta pass on this.

Even if OG never gets better and stays at this level, that's an all defensive caliber player that can give you 16-18 a night on fantastic 3 point # shooting splits.

That's infinitely more valuable than an undersized combo guard in Simons who can put up big numbers in a losing context. Herro is better than him and Heat didn't miss a beat with Herro being out.

This is why Toronto fans get shredded for being homers. Some complain about Simons contract being bad. The guy was one of the top 3PT threats last year. He is worth his contract.

Secondly, we rip Simons for being a negative in the playoffs, while our guys choked in the play-in. So what does that make Pascal, OG and others for us.

Agree that 23 and Simons is not enough for OG. But it is also not as far off as people make it sound. I think OG is a more demanded type of asset, as the other 29 NBA teams aren't as outside shooting challenged as the Raps are.

Dame has done jack **** as a #1 option, does that mean he's suddenly worth less ? No lol.

OG is one of the best 3&D players in the league, he's on that short list. It's inherently worth more than what a combo scoring guard like Simons brings to the table.

He averages like what ? 3-4 more points than OG but with 1% of the defence ? Cool I guess.

Believe me, I think Raps fans overrate OG and Siakam's value for the most part but on this trade package ? I'm on their side lol.

[gerrit4]

Remove the #23

Add Portland #3 and Toronto #13

This seems a little more balanced now.

That's hilarious man. You propose to add a future all-star in Scoot or Miller into that already unbalanced in favor of Toronto offer. I don't think it makes any sense. Unless you are really willing to enjoy the treadmill team for another year and then risk losing OG for nothing next summer.

Went from peace to war real quick.

Come in peace, leave in war.

[ArthurVandelay]

That's hilarious man. You propose to add a future all-star in Scoot or Miller into that already unbalanced in favor of Toronto offer. I don't think it makes any sense. Unless you are really willing to enjoy the treadmill team for another year and then risk losing OG for nothing next summer.

Went from peace to war real quick.

Come in Moriah Mills, leave in war.

FTFY - Zion edition

[Raptors Realtor]

There's no way Masai trades Scottie unless it's in a deal for another top young asset (Shai etc), but highly doubt he trades him for a vet in his 30s.

[YogurtProducer]

Here's a rumor that has us getting Lillard:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/damian-lillard-trade-destinations-heat-nets-aren-t-only-options-for-superstar-raptors-loom-as-darkhorse/ar-AA1cTzOj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cb8a2d724535400aa101d9e9c781973f&ei=47




Tough to lose Scottie but no Fred makes up for it.

Only deal that works is GTJ / Barnes / Thad / Boucher for Dame.

Dame/OG/Siakam/Achwiua/Poeltl and then Koloko/OPJ/#13 is all we would be left with that is playable.

Unless you are following that up immediately with a FVV S+T in which we get back 3 rotation players there is no way we do that.

Edit: **** it I would be in. No chance Portland accepts Scottie + trash without draft comp though. Adding draft comp on is sketch

Don’t think they get another offer with a blue chip prospect like Scottie. Probably wouldn’t take much in terms of draft compensation. Nothin Miami or Brooklyn has is comparable to Scottie.

Would be weird if traded Scottie for Dame and refused to trade him for KD though.


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Our cap situation is a bit different this time. Last year the only salary that worked was Scottie + Siakam or OG. If this time it is Scottie plus salary filled plus picks that makes way more sense.

[KL78192020]

Only deal that works is GTJ / Barnes / Thad / Boucher for Dame.

Dame/OG/Siakam/Achwiua/Poeltl and then Koloko/OPJ/#13 is all we would be left with that is playable.

Unless you are following that up immediately with a FVV S+T in which we get back 3 rotation players there is no way we do that.

Edit: **** it I would be in. No chance Portland accepts Scottie + trash without draft comp though. Adding draft comp on is sketch

Don’t think they get another offer with a blue chip prospect like Scottie. Probably wouldn’t take much in terms of draft compensation. Nothin Miami or Brooklyn has is comparable to Scottie.

Would be weird if traded Scottie for Dame and refused to trade him for KD though.


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Our cap situation is a bit different this time. Last year the only salary that worked was Scottie + Siakam or OG. If this time it is Scottie plus salary filled plus picks that makes way more sense.

How much better is Dame than Beal? Dame is on a worse contract and hasn't accomplished much more than Beal. Obviously Beal had the NTC, but even on the open market I think Blazers fans will be disappointed with what they can get for Dame.

Just like they wouldn't want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam. Not sure how many want to give up valuable assets for a 33 year old dame thats is owed 4 years 215 million.

[YogurtProducer]

Don’t think they get another offer with a blue chip prospect like Scottie. Probably wouldn’t take much in terms of draft compensation. Nothin Miami or Brooklyn has is comparable to Scottie.

Would be weird if traded Scottie for Dame and refused to trade him for KD though.


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Our cap situation is a bit different this time. Last year the only salary that worked was Scottie + Siakam or OG. If this time it is Scottie plus salary filled plus picks that makes way more sense.

How much better is Dame than Beal? Dame is on a worse contract and hasn't accomplished much more than Beal. Obviously Beal had the NTC, but even on the open market I think Blazers fans will be disappointed with what they can get for Dame.

Just like they wouldn't want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam. Not sure how many want to give up valuable assets for a 33 year old dame thats is owed 4 years 215 million.

Beal apparently got 4 firsts and 6 seconds. Dame would go for less I think as he is older, and also Phoenix gave up a bad CP3 and no real assets outside picks.

[KL78192020]

Our cap situation is a bit different this time. Last year the only salary that worked was Scottie + Siakam or OG. If this time it is Scottie plus salary filled plus picks that makes way more sense.

How much better is Dame than Beal? Dame is on a worse contract and hasn't accomplished much more than Beal. Obviously Beal had the NTC, but even on the open market I think Blazers fans will be disappointed with what they can get for Dame.

Just like they wouldn't want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam. Not sure how many want to give up valuable assets for a 33 year old dame thats is owed 4 years 215 million.

Beal apparently got 4 firsts and 6 seconds. Dame would go for less I think as he is older, and also Phoenix gave up a bad CP3 and no real assets outside picks.

The Suns gave up a bunch of swaps which will be pretty useless, can't imagine the Wiz being better than the Suns anytime soon. The only real first they got was the 2030 first from the Warriors for CP3.

[douggood]

Our cap situation is a bit different this time. Last year the only salary that worked was Scottie + Siakam or OG. If this time it is Scottie plus salary filled plus picks that makes way more sense.

How much better is Dame than Beal? Dame is on a worse contract and hasn't accomplished much more than Beal. Obviously Beal had the NTC, but even on the open market I think Blazers fans will be disappointed with what they can get for Dame.

Just like they wouldn't want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam. Not sure how many want to give up valuable assets for a 33 year old dame thats is owed 4 years 215 million.

Beal apparently got 4 firsts and 6 seconds. Dame would go for less I think as he is older, and also Phoenix gave up a bad CP3 and no real assets outside picks.

not 4 1sts, 4 swaps. big difference.

beal, goodwin, isiah todd for 4 swaps and 6 seconds for paul and shamet

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[Bruin]

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[ArthurVandelay]

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Hilarious. They won’t take our trade so they are overvaluing their player. Few temper tantrums emanating from the Pacific Northwest


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[Bruin]

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Anyone else feel like this is hella disrespectful from the Blazers fan base? They’re ready to throw Dame away without seeing their team give him a proper shot at contending for once in his career

Dame wants to be in Portland and be a 1 franchise guy but the fan base is practically forcing him out

Not a good look for Portland fans imo

[causal_fan]

How much better is Dame than Beal? Dame is on a worse contract and hasn't accomplished much more than Beal. Obviously Beal had the NTC, but even on the open market I think Blazers fans will be disappointed with what they can get for Dame.

Just like they wouldn't want to trade the 3rd pick for Siakam. Not sure how many want to give up valuable assets for a 33 year old dame thats is owed 4 years 215 million.

Beal apparently got 4 firsts and 6 seconds. Dame would go for less I think as he is older, and also Phoenix gave up a bad CP3 and no real assets outside picks.

The Suns gave up a bunch of swaps which will be pretty useless, can't imagine the Wiz being better than the Suns anytime soon. The only real first they got was the 2030 first from the Warriors for CP3.

I disagree - the swaps in 26,28 & 30 could be meaningful as the Suns big 3 probably has 2-3 years at best.

[KL78192020]

Beal apparently got 4 firsts and 6 seconds. Dame would go for less I think as he is older, and also Phoenix gave up a bad CP3 and no real assets outside picks.

The Suns gave up a bunch of swaps which will be pretty useless, can't imagine the Wiz being better than the Suns anytime soon. The only real first they got was the 2030 first from the Warriors for CP3.

I disagree - the swaps in 26,28 & 30 could be meaningful as the Suns big 3 probably has 2-3 years at best.

For 2028 the Nets have the rights to swap, they would get the worst of those two picks between the Nets and Suns as per the KD trade.

2028 first round draft pick to Brooklyn (swap, Brooklyn or Philadelphia incoming)
Brooklyn has the right to swap its 2028 1st round pick or, if conveyed to Brooklyn, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick for Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

The 2026 swap won't happen. Suns will still be better than the Wiz in 3 years, Beal and Book will still be good, Book is only 27 and Beal 29, Wiz will be tanking for the next 2-3 years. So its only really the 2030 swap that could have some value.