Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[TimberKat]

How in the world did Boston get KP and 2frp for Smart?

This deal actually makes me think that Minnesota could get a decent return for Rudy if they traded him next offseason. Assuming Rudy simply matches this year and helps Minnesota rank in the top 10 in defense, we could get some quality players and maybe a first for the big guy.

GMs - even smart ones like TC and Kleiman - don't seem to have an issue overpaying for strong defensive players.

This trade shouldn't be read into particuarly much. Kristaps Porzingis had a Player-Option, so he had the ability to opt out. Functionally, the Washington Wizards got Tyus Jones and #35 in exchange for using $25.3MM in cap space ($10.3MM of it being the dead salary of Mike Muscala and and Danilo Gallinari.

Memphis swapping using #25 and Golden State's 2024 First Round Draft Pick to swap Tyus Jones for Marcus Smart is definitely an interesting decision by Memphis, but my guess is that they were hunting for a more dynamic Dillon Brooks replacement.

But I would expect at least one of the two first go to Wizards. I would held on to Beal until mid season and just let Porzingis walk unless I am getting more picks. No point in taking back money if you are going to tank anyway. It smelled like a DC conspiracy or just drunk people making decision. Didn't they just hired a new GM? Is Khan back to his old tricks again?

[SO_MONEY]

Tyus is probably the best backup PG in the league, and he'd make a sold 5th starter. He's not really someone you'd trade assets for because he doesn't move the needle.

I'd rather call Washington to see if they're willing to give us Morris for Princes ng deal. Toss in a 2nd, Jmac whatever.

I disagree.

Tyus has a history of completely disappearing for stretches where he is almost unplayable. This is a problem, you can't count on him at starter, you can't count on him as backup... this is why he hovers in the 2-3 range on a functional depth chart.

He disappears, so does almost any player in the league. That's why you have stars to prop role players up. You want your role players to play good, not make mistakes, and give you chances to win. Tyus is excellent at that. He's extremely smart, doesn't make mistakes, and he's improved almost every year.

I stand by what I said. When he is bad he is basically unplayable. That has been his career thus far. I am not saying having him as a backup is a bad thing, but he kind of forces you to have two backups to play the hot hand.

[Domejandro]

This deal actually makes me think that Minnesota could get a decent return for Rudy if they traded him next offseason. Assuming Rudy simply matches this year and helps Minnesota rank in the top 10 in defense, we could get some quality players and maybe a first for the big guy.

GMs - even smart ones like TC and Kleiman - don't seem to have an issue overpaying for strong defensive players.

This trade shouldn't be read into particuarly much. Kristaps Porzingis had a Player-Option, so he had the ability to opt out. Functionally, the Washington Wizards got Tyus Jones and #35 in exchange for using $25.3MM in cap space ($10.3MM of it being the dead salary of Mike Muscala and and Danilo Gallinari.

Memphis swapping using #25 and Golden State's 2024 First Round Draft Pick to swap Tyus Jones for Marcus Smart is definitely an interesting decision by Memphis, but my guess is that they were hunting for a more dynamic Dillon Brooks replacement.

But I would expect at least one of the two first go to Wizards. I would held on to Beal until mid season and just let Porzingis walk unless I am getting more picks. No point in taking back money if you are going to tank anyway. It smelled like a DC conspiracy or just drunk people making decision. Didn't they just hired a new GM? Is Khan back to his old tricks again?

1. Bradley Beal has a No-Trade Clause. Holding him until mid-season accomplishes absolutely nothing. Beal has been a consummate professional during his tenure, so ownership worked with his yea to get him to his preferred destination.

2. Kristaps Porzingis was leaving Washington regardless. Getting #35 and an easily tradable Point-Guard is great value for taking on expiring deals. Given the context, there is no world where they claw back one of those First Round Draft Picks.

[Battletrigger]

How in the world did Boston get KP and 2frp for Smart?

This deal actually makes me think that Minnesota could get a decent return for Rudy if they traded him next offseason. Assuming Rudy simply matches this year and helps Minnesota rank in the top 10 in defense, we could get some quality players and maybe a first for the big guy.

GMs - even smart ones like TC and Kleiman - don't seem to have an issue overpaying for strong defensive players.

This trade shouldn't be read into particuarly much. Kristaps Porzingis had a Player-Option, so he had the ability to opt out. Functionally, the Washington Wizards got Tyus Jones and #35 in exchange for using $25.3MM in cap space ($10.3MM of it being the dead salary of Mike Muscala and and Danilo Gallinari.

Memphis swapping using #25 and Golden State's 2024 First Round Draft Pick to swap Tyus Jones for Marcus Smart is definitely an interesting decision by Memphis, but my guess is that they were hunting for a more dynamic Dillon Brooks replacement.

Memphis is pairing the last two DPOY, one in the back and another in the front. They are going to be tough.

[Battletrigger]

It seems that Tor and ATL are talking about a Siakam and Murray trade.

Siakam was one of the players I liked if Towns was moved.

What about Collins? I haven't seen the Hawks these last two years.

If I were to trade KAT Siakam would be a good way to start. We'd need more.

Good player, but without an extension, we can’t risk him walking after one season.

Well, sometimes you have to take that kind of risk, look the C's with Porzingis.

I know that Minny is not a FA destination, nor Toronto is and Siakam seems fine there. If he comes here, and we play fine I dont see why not resign here, he isn't American neither so there is no city attached to him.

Conley, Ant, McDaniels, Siakam, Gobert.

That sounds sexy, we need 3pt punch although.

[minimus]

Conley, Ant, McDaniels, Siakam, Gobert.

That sounds sexy, we need 3pt punch although.

It sounds like 2nd apron and no bench starting from 2024-25

[Neeva]

The wizards are truly a joke. I think they take under the table deals from the nba to make playoff teams a little better in trades or help facilitate trades, they have a history of this.

[twolves31]

Conley, Ant, McDaniels, Siakam, Gobert.

That sounds sexy, we need 3pt punch although.

It sounds like 2nd apron and no bench starting from 2024-25

Assuming Siakam extends we would be in the 2nd apron for 2 years starting in 24-25, maybe just 1 year if Gobert opted out of the final year of his contract.

[TimberKat]

This trade shouldn't be read into particuarly much. Kristaps Porzingis had a Player-Option, so he had the ability to opt out. Functionally, the Washington Wizards got Tyus Jones and #35 in exchange for using $25.3MM in cap space ($10.3MM of it being the dead salary of Mike Muscala and and Danilo Gallinari.

Memphis swapping using #25 and Golden State's 2024 First Round Draft Pick to swap Tyus Jones for Marcus Smart is definitely an interesting decision by Memphis, but my guess is that they were hunting for a more dynamic Dillon Brooks replacement.

But I would expect at least one of the two first go to Wizards. I would held on to Beal until mid season and just let Porzingis walk unless I am getting more picks. No point in taking back money if you are going to tank anyway. It smelled like a DC conspiracy or just drunk people making decision. Didn't they just hired a new GM? Is Khan back to his old tricks again?

1. Bradley Beal has a No-Trade Clause. Holding him until mid-season accomplishes absolutely nothing. Beal has been a consummate professional during his tenure, so ownership worked with his yea to get him to his preferred destination.

2. Kristaps Porzingis was leaving Washington regardless. Getting #35 and an easily tradable Point-Guard is great value for taking on expiring deals. Given the context, there is no world where they claw back one of those First Round Draft Picks.

Ok, I am moving closer to your camp now that Paul is going to GSW for Poole and picks

[minimus]

Conley, Ant, McDaniels, Siakam, Gobert.

That sounds sexy, we need 3pt punch although.

It sounds like 2nd apron and no bench starting from 2024-25

Assuming Siakam extends we would be in the 2nd apron for 2 years starting in 24-25, maybe just 1 year if Gobert opted out of the final year of his contract.

I see zero chance that any player accepts discount here in MIN (Siakam), or declines his PO while being 33yo big without offensive game paid 46 mil per year (Gobert). Zero chance.

[Battletrigger]

It sounds like 2nd apron and no bench starting from 2024-25

Assuming Siakam extends we would be in the 2nd apron for 2 years starting in 24-25, maybe just 1 year if Gobert opted out of the final year of his contract.

I see zero chance that any player accepts discount here in MIN (Siakam), or declines his PO while being 33yo big without offensive game paid 46 mil per year (Gobert). Zero chance.

Gobert will be a 46 mil. expiring that you can move like Westbrook this year.

[Norseman79]

Any moves made tonight need to be with the intention of building around Edwards. Drafts or trades should be with putting people on the roster who fit with Edwards. Anyone else aside from McDaniels is expendable to do that.

[younggunsmn]

Well getting Poole+Picks for CP3 makes the Beal trade look a lot better.
Warriors do it to both win now and dumping a lot of future salary because of the luxury tax.
Terrible long-term move though talent wise moving Poole for one season of CP3.

I know it looks terrible on the surface to see a guy with Beal's scoring ability moved for so little.
But he has missed a LOT of games to injury in his career, and 50+ million/year is a lot of money, especially for a team not going anywhere for the next 2-3 years. They were smart to move off of it while the relationship was still amicable and before it became a divorce.

[younggunsmn]

Porzingis + 2 late 1sts to Boston, Smart to Memphis, Tyus + an early 2nd to Washington.

FANTASTIC Move by Memphis!
Smart is a perfect fit for both their scheme and culture. Pairing him with DPOY JJJ, they are going to be able to absolutely lock teams down. Plus he is a guy with the history and accomplishment to demand Ja's respect and hold him accountable on the floor.
All for 2 late 1st round picks and a backup PG who was going to walk in FA.
The Grizzlies just got a whole lot better with this trade.
He can fill Brooks shoes on defense and playmake on offense and take some of the ballhandling pressure off of Ja.

Interesting move for Boston. Horford is long in the tooth, this is an interesting move though as it does shake up the culture they had developed. Great move on paper, but as talented as Zinger is he's never been a winning player.

For Washington, they get some assets for a guy who was going to walk for nothing.

This might be a trade where all 3 teams actually benefit.

[Neeva]

Smart is so overrated and still can’t shoot and looks slow and in decline now, Memphis overpaid but I hate them so I am fine with it.

[younggunsmn]

Tyus a much more realistic possibilty for us with Washington holding his contract now.

We can't trade any 1sts, but we do have a recent late 1st rounder in Wendell Moore Jr as well as Minott and 24 and 25 2nds from Utah that might be appealing.

For salary matching, Prince + WMJ + Jmac + Knight would work.

Being that he is expiring after this year, I question what other teams would give up for Tyus.
A late 1st at the very most, but I have a hard time seeing that.
He's a backup making better than backup money.
We could sell him on playing a season with Conley and then taking over in 24, maybe Conley re-signs at a discount with a slightly reduced role.

I like Tyus, he is an ideal backup PG, smart and makes great decisions with the ball, can organize a team and make open shots.
But he is not a dynamic offensive player. He is not going to break down a defense to create for others or get to the rim, you have to surround him with talented offensive players. That's the main reason he's not a starting caliber PG.
Could he be a starter here next to a budding star like ANT? Not seeing a lot of better options once Conley retires.

He would pair well with Ant, not so much with NAW or Jaden or especially Rudy who can't create their own offense.

But if the cost is Prince+WMJ and maybe a 2nd or two, I would pull the trigger on that.

I'd like to see us move Prince for a backup PG and Tyus or TJ McConnell would be a huge improvement to last year's backcourt.

The other off=the-wall idea would be a Tyus for Naz Sign and Trade. But I really want Naz back.

[SO_MONEY]

Tyus a much more realistic possibilty for us with Washington holding his contract now.

We can't trade any 1sts, but we do have a recent late 1st rounder in Wendell Moore Jr as well as Minott and 24 and 25 2nds from Utah that might be appealing.

For salary matching, Prince + WMJ + Jmac + Knight would work.

Being that he is expiring after this year, I question what other teams would give up for Tyus.
A late 1st at the very most, but I have a hard time seeing that.
He's a backup making better than backup money.
We could sell him on playing a season with Conley and then taking over in 24, maybe Conley re-signs at a discount with a slightly reduced role.

I like Tyus, he is an ideal backup PG, smart and makes great decisions with the ball, can organize a team and make open shots.
But he is not a dynamic offensive player. He is not going to break down a defense to create for others or get to the rim, you have to surround him with talented offensive players. That's the main reason he's not a starting caliber PG.
Could he be a starter here next to a budding star like ANT? Not seeing a lot of better options once Conley retires.

He would pair well with Ant, not so much with NAW or Jaden or especially Rudy who can't create their own offense.

But if the cost is Prince+WMJ and maybe a 2nd or two, I would pull the trigger on that.

I'd like to see us move Prince for a backup PG and Tyus or TJ McConnell would be a huge improvement to last year's backcourt.

The other off=the-wall idea would be a Tyus for Naz Sign and Trade. But I really want Naz back.

I am very open to trading Moore, not doing it for Tyus...I would to move up in the draft. I wouldn't include any 2nds either.

[younggunsmn]

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KAT's supermax went up 12 million over 4 years with the 2 million increase in the cap.
64.9 million in '27-28. Yikes

[wolves_89]

If the Wizards are selling, I'd be going after Delon Wright. He only makes $545K more than Prince and he's a much better defender than Jones/Morris. Tyus would be nice, but the extra $5M in salary would make it much harder to bring back Naz and NAW.

[shrink]

So I looked at all three expiring PG’s: Wright, Morris and Tyus. I think all three are fairly close as players, all between say, 26-40th best PG in the league. But I am concerned about this year, and down the line. We’ll be over the lux, so our ability to bring in a replacement starter when Mike Conley leaves is limited. I’d rank them this way

#3. Delon Wright. The problem is he’s 31. Is he the PG we want in the future?

#2. Tyus. I like Tyus the best, but he’s ineligible for an extension. We’d have Bird rights for next year, but that’s risk for us and him.

#1. Monte Morris. He’s extension eligible right now, and Connelly drafted him initially.