Trade/Free Agency Thread pt 4 - 2023-24 Off-season - Thread Dread Redemption!

[Bohemian]

I am probably wrong, but I think Jaylen may be traded tonight

JAYLEN FOR WEMBANYAMA

[BK_2020]

No logjam if Brogdon isn't going to be healthy.

I guess you missed the tweet from earlier today that said that he might not even need surgery and if he does, [streamable]he's expected to be fine by the time the season starts.[/streamable]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

We need a point of attack defender like Caruso or Jrue.

[playa-hater]

I guess you missed the tweet from earlier today that said that he might not even need surgery and if he does, [streamable]he's expected to be fine by the time the season starts.[/streamable]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

Certainly not traditional PGs, But shoot and pass well enough to keep teams off of Tatum Brown and KP.

[playa-hater]

I guess you missed the tweet from earlier today that said that he might not even need surgery and if he does, [streamable]he's expected to be fine by the time the season starts.[/streamable]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

We need a point of attack defender like Caruso or Jrue.

Like Smart?

[Higgs Boston]

The team needs a PG or a combo at worst in the second unit, brogdon is injury prone and pritchard isn't good enough to be a bench player in the second unit.

The logjam of PGs was about level, salary and starting lineup, not amount of players.

[Green89]

No we don't. We had a logjam with too many guards before. You add another PG right now, and we'll be right back where we started, with another logjam.

No logjam if Brogdon isn't going to be healthy.

I guess you missed the tweet from earlier today that said that he might not even need surgery and if he does, he's expected to be fine by the time the season starts.

We lost him in the playoffs when we needed him most. Fine to start the season doesn't mean he's going to last the season and through the playoffs again.

[Bohemian]

where are the rumors??

[Shak_Celts]

I haven't read every page, but has no one mentioned how I missed the universe laughing again? Porzingis is making 36 mil this season, smart's number is 36? Conspiracy theorists let me down, I could have been prepared had yall connected the dots!!!

[BK_2020]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

We need a point of attack defender like Caruso or Jrue.

Like Smart?

Smart was a poor point of attack defender last few years. He was great at switching and being disruptive, but he slowed down a lot.

[Hal14]

I guess you missed the tweet from earlier today that said that he might not even need surgery and if he does, [streamable]he's expected to be fine by the time the season starts.[/streamable]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

How many pass-first PG's do you think there are in the NBA right now? Most of the good PG's are combo-guards who score and pass, like Garland, Lillard, Steph, Doncic, SGA, Ja, Haliburton, Fox, Jamal Murray, Harden, Kyrie, etc.

I'm trying to think of some pass-first PG's who are actually good. Lamelo (not going anywhere and can't defend a chair). Lonzo (might never play basketball again).

Trae. Sure, I've posted on here a couple times now that I would trade JB for Trae. But that's probably not realistic.

Mike Conley. Sure, I guess if you want to try and get him. I guess we could try and explore turning Brogdon into Conley...maybe. But Conley is gonna be 36 yrs old next season. Do we really want to pay a 36 year old guard who's only 6'1", $24 mil on an expiring contract? Maybe? But I'm not sure it would move the needle enough.

Like I was saying before, the NBA is in a different era now. You just don't see all these floor general pass-first PG's out there like there used to be in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. There's more players these days who are skilled enough that they can handle the ball and initiate actions. So you don't necessarily need a PG to do it every trip down the floor. It's better to just really quickly get into you offense and quickly move the ball around with all 5 guys touching it, playing off each other - rather than a PG being this maestro, running a set every time down the floor like we used to see. Plus these days we see big men as facilitators more and more, initiating actions from the high post, elbows, top of the key and stuff.

[playa-hater]

where are the rumors??

the calm before the storm Methinks

[keevsnick1]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

Certainly not traditional PGs, But shoot and pass well enough to keep teams off of Tatum Brown and KP.

Shoot yes, pass well enough I'm not so sure. Brogdon in particular just REALLY bothers me with his passing. He misses interior bigs and kick out threes constantly. Don't get me wrong, love his scoring, but that feels less important with KP.

[BK_2020]

Jaylen Brown plus 8 draft picks and Pritchard for Nikola Jokic. It's time for Denver to sell high on their assets before depreciation sets in.

[meatball sub]

mike dunleavy jr. proving out the gate to be just as big of a bust as an executive as he was as a player. good for him

[keevsnick1]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

How many pass-first PG's do you think there are in the NBA right now? Most of the good PG's are combo-guards who score and pass, like Garland, Lillard, Steph, Doncic, SGA, Ja, Haliburton, Fox, Jamal Murray, Harden, Kyrie, etc.

I'm trying to think of some pass-first PG's who are actually good. Lamelo (not going anywhere and can't defend a chair). Lonzo (might never play basketball again).

Trae. Sure, I've posted on here a couple times now that I would trade JB for Trae. But that's probably not realistic.

Mike Conley. Sure, I guess if you want to try and get him. I guess we could try and explore turning Brogdon into Conley...maybe. But Conley is gonna be 36 yrs old next season. Do we really want to pay a 36 year old guard who's only 6'1", $24 mil on an expiring contract? Maybe? But I'm not sure it would move the needle enough.

Like I was saying before, the NBA is in a different era now. You just don't see all these floor general pass-first PG's out there like there used to be in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. There's more players these days who are skilled enough that they can handle the ball and initiate actions. So you don't necessarily need a PG to do it every trip down the floor. It's better to just really quickly get into you offense and quickly move the ball around with all 5 guys touching it, playing off each other - rather than a PG being this maestro, running a set every time down the floor like we used to see. Plus these days we see big men as facilitators more and more, initiating actions from the high post, elbows, top of the key and stuff.

I don't even need like a pass first guy, just someone who passes well. Brogdon averaged like 5.1 assist per 36 minutes last year. Jordan Poole had a higher rate than that. About the same as Jordan Clarkson and Terry Rozier. He's an okay passer, I think they need better than that given their team makeup.

Tyus Jones ironically would have been a good option. Markelle Fultz I think is one name to watch, you can live with his subpar shooting if you get it from the center position.

The issue is I don't really think Malcolm does a good job even just moving the ball around as you mention. That's exactly Malcolm's issue, too often its Malcolm time.

[Shamrock23]

If true Boston doesn't have any need for a PG IMO, Brogdon/White/PP and Tatum all can handle those duties easily.

Draft the best Big Wing in a draft that has a few good prospects.

We need a point of attack defender like Caruso or Jrue.

Like Smart?

..without the dumb and bone head turn overs.

[jordb2k7]

In all seriousness who would be the guy you’d throw all the picks + Brog at to try to land? We do have ammo to add another major piece and I’d love it for the right guy.

[CelticsPride18]

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

How many pass-first PG's do you think there are in the NBA right now? Most of the good PG's are combo-guards who score and pass, like Garland, Lillard, Steph, Doncic, SGA, Ja, Haliburton, Fox, Jamal Murray, Harden, Kyrie, etc.

I'm trying to think of some pass-first PG's who are actually good. Lamelo (not going anywhere and can't defend a chair). Lonzo (might never play basketball again).

Trae. Sure, I've posted on here a couple times now that I would trade JB for Trae. But that's probably not realistic.

Mike Conley. Sure, I guess if you want to try and get him. I guess we could try and explore turning Brogdon into Conley...maybe. But Conley is gonna be 36 yrs old next season. Do we really want to pay a 36 year old guard who's only 6'1", $24 mil on an expiring contract? Maybe? But I'm not sure it would move the needle enough.

Like I was saying before, the NBA is in a different era now. You just don't see all these floor general pass-first PG's out there like there used to be in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. There's more players these days who are skilled enough that they can handle the ball and initiate actions. So you don't necessarily need a PG to do it every trip down the floor. It's better to just really quickly get into you offense and quickly move the ball around with all 5 guys touching it, playing off each other - rather than a PG being this maestro, running a set every time down the floor like we used to see. Plus these days we see big men as facilitators more and more, initiating actions from the high post, elbows, top of the key and stuff.

I don't even need like a pass first guy, just someone who passes well. Brogdon averaged like 5.1 assist per 36 minutes last year. Jordan Poole had a higher rate than that. About the same as Jordan Clarkson and Terry Rozier. He's an okay passer, I think they need better than that given their team makeup.

Tyus Jones ironically would have been a good option. Markelle Fultz I think is one name to watch, you can live with his subpar shooting if you get it from the center position.

The issue is I don't really think Malcolm does a good job even just moving the ball around as you mention. That's exactly Malcolm's issue, too often its Malcolm time.

If Brogs stays I believe his role will change. He was brought here to be a sixth man scoring guard now will probably distribute the ball more

[BK_2020]

In all seriousness who would be the guy you’d throw all the picks + Brog at to try to land? We do have ammo to add another major piece and I’d love it for the right guy.

Dame I guess.
So few teams are in sell mode.

[Hal14]

I'm not sure Brogdon or PP are even PG's to be honest. Those guys are SG's really. PP because he can't beat people off the dribble and Brogdon because he has blinders. I'd like to use those guys + Grant to get a more pass first point if possible

Certainly not traditional PGs, But shoot and pass well enough to keep teams off of Tatum Brown and KP.

Shoot yes, pass well enough I'm not so sure. Brogdon in particular just REALLY bothers me with his passing. He misses interior bigs and kick out threes constantly. Don't get me wrong, love his scoring, but that feels less important with KP.

I agree to an extent. Brogdon definitely had tendencies this season to have tunnel vision, was kind of a ball hog.

BUT I also feel like the logjam we had this season caused Brogdon, White and smart to all play at a less than optimal level. I think the logjam frustrated each of them (and obviously frustrated Pritchard, too). It was cramping their style, they were often times out there with each other so none of them ever felt like they were THE guy who was supposed to run the show and facilitate, especially since tatum (and even brown) brought the ball up the floor so frequently. Each of them talked in interviews about how they had to make such a sacrifice to all be on the same team together.

Brogdon actually was throwing some laser passes all over the floor in preseason, dropping dimes left and right setting guys up for buckets. We saw that less and less though, as the season went on. I think he thought his role was supposed to be "the bench scorer" when we really needed him to be "the bench combo guard who can both score AND pass".

Maybe with Smart gone, it could help White and Brogdon both play better and feel more in rhythm out there. Brogdon was used to playing 30 MPG, then he comes here and is only getting like 22 MPG. So maybe he felt like he had to shoot it every time he got the ball since he wasn't getting many mins. But with more mins (maybe 25-30) he can get back to playing like he did in Indiana..

Or maybe we trade him lol.