Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

Butter · Post #741 » by **Butter** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:17 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:and by the way....maybe Charlotte and MJ are just messing with the NBA, Vegas, and twitter for their own amusement

MJ does have a history of gambling, AND he just got some pocket money from selling his majority shares...

DusterBuster · Post #742 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:21 pm

Woj is dying on the "Miller to Charlotte" hill.

Wizenheimer · Post #743 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:21 pm

Woj just said on ESPN that Charlotte is firm in drafting Miller

m0ng0 · Post #744 » by **m0ng0** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:32 pm

Don't care which one, just don't anything stupid...

DusterBuster · Post #745 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:43 pm

Read on Twitter

If the Blazers don't make this trade and it's on the table, then I don't want to hear one more thing about being serious about building around Dame. Just trade him.

elias808 · Post #746 » by **elias808** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:44 pm

m0ng0 wrote:Don't care which one, just don't anything stupid...

Same. But as a lifetime Blazers fan, at best I’m cautiously optimistic we don’t mess this up.

Wizenheimer · Post #747 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:02 am

DusterBuster wrote:

Read on Twitter

If the Blazers don't make this trade and it's on the table, then I don't want to hear one more thing about being serious about building around Dame. Just trade him.

the last I heard, all the Pels were offering is a bunch of draft picks

Blazinaway · Post #748 » by **Blazinaway** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:05 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:

Read on Twitter

If the Blazers don't make this trade and it's on the table, then I don't want to hear one more thing about being serious about building around Dame. Just trade him.

the last I heard, all the Pels were offering is a bunch of draft picks

LOL F them if that's the case

Wizenheimer · Post #749 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:16 am

latest is that the Pels are demanding 3 + Sharpe + Ant for Zion

I sure hope Cronin tells them to pound sand

Post #750 » by **Moonbeam** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:17 am

Just saw Shams tweet that Charlotte is taking Brandon Miller.

red_power · Post #751 » by **red_power** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:18 am

Here the drama starts

Norm2953 · Post #752 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:21 am

Wizenheimer wrote:latest is that the Pels are demanding 3 + Sharpe + Ant for Zion

I sure hope Cronin tells them to pound sand

DusterBuster · Post #753 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:18 am

Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

Blazinaway · Post #754 » by **Blazinaway** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:24 am

DusterBuster wrote:Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

Huh? If some of these so called "offers" are real then he's doing what he should - tell them to F off! Perhaps Dame leaves and we get on with a rebuild, if he wants to stay that's fine to. Do you want crap trades just to trade?

Sinobas · Post #755 » by **Sinobas** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:26 am

DusterBuster wrote:Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

I was actually hoping we'd draft Scoot rather than trade the pick away for a chance to "win with Dame".

Wizenheimer · Post #756 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:34 am

DusterBuster wrote:Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

do you think it's Cronin or do you think it's the poor value of the assets Olshey assembled, and Cronin inherited?

He essentially traded CJ for Hart, a 1st round pick, and a TPE. And he used the pick to add Grant. And the Pelicans were so impressed after a year of CJ they were desperate to draft a rookie PG....pretty much confirming that CJ's value was always grossly overrated in Portland

he traded Hart, after it was pretty obvious that Hart (and his wife) were not going to resign in Portland, for Thybulle and a first round pick

those are not bad trades, but they accurately reflect the generic value of Portland assets

I think Cronin just has had crappy cards...and he had the bad luck to have a 3rd pick less than a year after the Gobert and Mitchell trades, and a few months after the Durant trade. Recency bias from those trade really slammed the value of draft picks

don't get me wrong, I'm not extolling Cronin's virtues. He talked about how Portland desperately needed length...then he used the full MLE and hard capped Portland to sign and injured-scheduled-for-surgery. He then significantly overpaid the existing market for Ant and Nurkic, which has made them more difficult to trade.

DusterBuster · Post #757 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:41 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

do you think it's Cronin or do you think it's the poor value of the assets Olshey assembled, and Cronin inherited?

He essentially traded CJ for Hart, a 1st round pick, and a TPE. And he used the pick to add Grant. And the Pelicans were so impressed after a year of CJ they were desperate to draft a rookie PG....pretty much confirming that CJ's value was always grossly overrated in Portland

he traded Hart, after it was pretty obvious that Hart (and his wife) were not going to resign in Portland, for Thybulle and a first round pick

those are not bad trades, but they accurately reflect the generic value of Portland assets

I think Cronin just has had crappy cards...and he had the bad luck to have a 3rd pick less than a year after the Gobert and Mitchell trades, and a few months after the Durant trade. Recency bias from those trade really slammed the value of draft picks

don't get me wrong, I'm not extolling Cronin's virtues. He talked about how Portland desperately needed length...then he used the full MLE and hard capped Portland to sign and injured-scheduled-for-surgery. He then significantly overpaid the existing market for Ant and Nurkic, which has made them more difficult to trade.

We can’t keep laying every missed opportunity at the feet of Olshey forever. Cronin really overhauled this roster considerably. The assets the Blazers had this year (outside of Simons) were from Cronin. He’s spent the last two years and built a nice collection of assets and still couldn’t pull off anything.

I also disagree that he overpaid for Ant and Nurkic. They’re both fairly paid and in Ants case I would argue underpaid compared to players around his quality. Nurkic is a serviceable C and even at his salary, he’s only the 15th or 16th highest paid C. That’s pretty market value if you ask me.

I just feel like he’s out of his depth as a GM. I have yet to see any real proof that that’s not the case.

BlazersBroncos · Post #758 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:43 am

Wait what did I miss, how did Cronin mess something up?

All I saw was us taking the 2nd best player in the draft by a good margin.

DusterBuster · Post #759 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:47 am

Read on Twitter

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GEE · Post #760 » by **GEE** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:52 am

Wizenheimer wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Is it time to just say Cronin is unequivocally a bad GM?

How this team is just wholly unable to pull off any trade of significance is incredible.

do you think it's Cronin or do you think it's the poor value of the assets Olshey assembled, and Cronin inherited?

He essentially traded CJ for Hart, a 1st round pick, and a TPE. And he used the pick to add Grant. And the Pelicans were so impressed after a year of CJ they were desperate to draft a rookie PG....pretty much confirming that CJ's value was always grossly overrated in Portland

he traded Hart, after it was pretty obvious that Hart (and his wife) were not going to resign in Portland, for Thybulle and a first round pick

those are not bad trades, but they accurately reflect the generic value of Portland assets

I think Cronin just has had crappy cards...and he had the bad luck to have a 3rd pick less than a year after the Gobert and Mitchell trades, and a few months after the Durant trade. Recency bias from those trade really slammed the value of draft picks

don't get me wrong, I'm not extolling Cronin's virtues. He talked about how Portland desperately needed length...then he used the full MLE and hard capped Portland to sign and injured-scheduled-for-surgery. He then significantly overpaid the existing market for Ant and Nurkic, which has made them more difficult to trade.

My answer to that question by DB is, Absolutely not. In my veiw, I'll let him do his job over this off-season, see what he has built with the assets that we now have (Olshey left us LESS than NONE), and make some judgements toward Cronin once the roster for next year is finished.

Still no idea what the final roster will look like, but whether a Dame trade happens or not, and which destination should it happen, will certainly affect how Cronin gets graded by us all. Free-agents including the ones we currently have, other picks and possible trades... we have a ways to go IMO, before judgement toward Cronin.