The Jett Howard Thread

[Optimus_Steel]

He can shoot, catch and shoot and off dribble 3s, and he can handle the ball. That's what we needed at #11.

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[G-Heel]

This dude better turns out alright or everyone will look back and wonder wtf were they thinking reaching so high for him. When you reach, you better be f king sure. That's the nature of this business.

To their credit, I wasn't thrilled initially when they selected Franz and Paolo so hopefully this pick will follow that trend.

[SOUL]

And I was looking old Wagner thread and I couldn't find it but randomly popped in the WCJ extension thread and saw pepe arguing against it and how 12 mil was huge and it just reminds me that so many back and forths go on for pages and are deemed irrelevant because one side was right or wrong not even a year later. This isn't to disparage pepe, because there are equal times where he was correct - sometimes with palpable evidence, sometimes just a gut feeling (which is where I push back because I can have a negative gut feeling on 70% of a draft and probably be right - it's just not fun for me)

I guess that's the essence of message boards, is to debate, but to me it's just like.. the completely negative, grand statement discussions CAN happen.. but just give it some time. And if it doesn't happen, it's because people are too busy being over-the-moon about said player, like Franz.

[Knightro]

The Chuma/Jett comparison is a really poor one IMO.

They picked Okeke knowing he was going to miss an entire season with a severe knee injury for goodness sake. Totally apples and oranges.

[Skybox]

I’m surprised but not too much. Jett was my pick months ago and he sort of faded from the conversations.

I’ve got less questions about #11 than I do about #6

Both are intriguing, but far from clear in their place on the team…bring on the trades/FA where we can make a real difference.

[pepe1991]

Those players you mentioned had red flags. Jett doesn't have red flags.
Jett has red categories: rebounding, athletics, first step, defense, latheral quickness.

Only one type of prospects skips whole combine: one that has lot to hide.

All I'm saying is you can find many things to hate in prospect and it doesn't take much digging lol. If I played devil's advocate.. well not even, I visit the NBA Draft forum on here and there are like HUGE anti-Gradey Dick posters who think he is overrated to hell and pinpoint weaknesses on why he's a worse Luke Kennard but it's just hard for me to read into any prospect without seeing how they will be used on the team and if their game expands at the NBA level.

That's why I find it tough to debate with you sometimes - some of your posts I agree with bits of pieces but then its like *randomly bringing up draft pick from 1987 that is associated with his grandpa* and it's like nonono just say you think he got overdrafted for his one strength and I would agree.

IF you do not think him being elite at that one strength is worth investing 11th pick in, that's fine too. I never advocate for pure shooters. I just think there is a role for him on the team if he does it well, and it could be important and valuable off the bench.

I slept through whole draft, woke up, saw Black at 6th, saw people before him taken, and it made sense. Same was with Suggs, Banchero, even Franz, given we had no SFs on roster whatsoever.

But this pick , much like Okeke pick , to me, makes no sense because slot where that player is taken / amount of investment you make- simply doesn't match up with upside, potential and best/worst case scenario for such player.

Okeke's thing to me boiled down to a fact that they drafted him because he agreed to not sign contract. Witch is horrible waste of 16 pick. In same range, playing same position they had alternatives like LIttle, Brandon Clarke, Grant Williams,Keldon Johnson, Thybulle. Even if they thought Okeke is 5-10% better than them, fact he had ACL tear should have been taken in account, and having him not play basketball at any level for near 2 years probably didn't help him.

Jett to me feels like same overreaction to rumors that somebody will might take their boy. So they swinged with high pick in fear he wont' be there. And once again that sourt of fear is irrational because Jett simply doesn't have skillset to be set apart of group of Dick, Livley, Hawkins, Bufkin, JHS, Whitehead,Cam etc.

He is sold as shooter, but he is worst shooter than Hawkins and Dick.
He is 6'8, but he is worst rebounder than majority of guards.
He also has no clear path toward starting 5 on this team in next 8 years.
He also has no clear path toward being more than role player due very limited phyical profile.
He also is already very poor defender making whole "3 and D " mantra boiling down to " 3... and hide on D".

There isn't drill where you put Jett and Gradey in same room, where Jett comes on top as winner. Not athletic drill, not shooting, not agility, not latheral quickness, not even lenght.
And it's not like he is some underfed kid without body development who's complete lack of strengh is keeping some hidden athletic profile behind. Guy weighs 225 pounds. He just has athletic profile worst than 37 years old Jeff Green today.



I wish him nothing but best, but i can't shake off feeling of massive reach that has apsolutley no chance of paying off, given how many better , more rounded players were selected after him. This isn't taking Bruno Cobocolo in hope for Giannis and swinging for fances for elite player, and if he fails, you know you at least aimed for Moon. It's Isaac Okoro drafted at 5th because he can defend and we will stick figners in ears and pretend nothing else but very specific skill is good enough to be good pick. and ignore that down the line in draft there are 5 better all around players than him.

[Skybox]

I have the same questions about Dick as I do with Howard…all about ability to defend at 2. I really liked Hawkins here as a true 2, who cuts and moves at an elite level in a half court offense (like ours). I can get behind Jett, but if he can’t play the 2, what are we doing?

We’ve GOT to be looking to trade/FA market for a real SG now

[pepe1991]

And I was looking old Wagner thread and I couldn't find it but randomly popped in the WCJ extension thread and saw pepe arguing against it and how 12 mil was huge and it just reminds me that so many back and forths go on for pages and are deemed irrelevant because one side was right or wrong not even a year later. This isn't to disparage pepe, because there are equal times where he was correct - sometimes with palpable evidence, sometimes just a gut feeling (which is where I push back because I can have a negative gut feeling on 70% of a draft and probably be right - it's just not fun for me)

I guess that's the essence of message boards, is to debate, but to me it's just like.. the completely negative, grand statement discussions CAN happen.. but just give it some time. And if it doesn't happen, it's because people are too busy being over-the-moon about said player, like Franz.

Wendell's injury list is very fat one. Over first 3 years in nba, he averaged 47 games played. To this date, he only plays at average 52 games a year.

[Knightro]

I went to see mocks before his injuries, he was almost never mocked to go before 22#. Than he returned and sucked. To be drafted 11th. Makes no sense whatsoever.

You’re wrong on this.

Here’s Jonathan Wasserman on January 18th with Jett Howard at 10.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

Here’s Jeremy Woo from January 12th with Jett Howard at 18.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

Here’s Paul Kasabian from April 2 with Jett Howard at 12.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10070519-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions-before-ncaa-championship.amp.html

Here’s Sam Vecenie from February 16 with Jett Howard at 15.

https://theathletic.com/4156999/2023/02/16/nba-mock-draft-walker-wembanyama-henderson/?source=user_shared_article ($)

Here’s Adam Spinella from January 25th with Jett Howard at 15.

Watch on YouTube

[pepe1991]

I went to see mocks before his injuries, he was almost never mocked to go before 22#. Than he returned and sucked. To be drafted 11th. Makes no sense whatsoever.

You’re wrong on this.

Here’s Jonathan Wasserman on January 18th with Jett Howard at 10.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

Here’s Jeremy Woo from January 12th with Jett Howard at 18.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

Here’s Paul Kasabian from April 2 with Jett Howard at 12.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10070519-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions-before-ncaa-championship.amp.html

Here’s Sam Vecenie from February 16 with Jett Howard at 15.

https://theathletic.com/4156999/2023/02/16/nba-mock-draft-walker-wembanyama-henderson/?source=user_shared_article ($)

Here’s Adam Spinella from January 25th with Jett Howard at 15.

Watch on YouTube

On this or other thread i wrote down witch mocks i checked where he wasn't.

[pepe1991]

After it's done, you are in fully demage control mode like they pay you.

I can say the same though.. pages and pages demolishing Trae Young or other guys and then if they play well a year later "oops, I was a bit wrong "

My approach is simply wait and see. 30+ people have said they didn't like the pick but will give him a chance but nobody is really arguing those statements. It's when it becomes "This guy is an absolute bust, why was he picked here, he shouldn't even be in the 1st round, I can't believe we failed this draft.." it's like damn okay

If he continues worrying trends that are lethal to him getting playing time, come back to this discussion. You may be right - I don't disagree with a lot of his criticisms. But the players need time. A lot of "I told you sos" in the Franz Wagner summer league thread from people who disliked him and now he's a fan favorite.

Overdrafted according to mocks? Yes. Reach? Depends on what you were looking for, but probably could've got him later. Bust? Nobody has a clue.

I was still 80% right about everything i wrote about Trae.

He can't defend to save his life.
he is overrated shooter that never showed ability to be elite shooter that people were pretending to be,
He never lived up to be "next Curry" , more like modern Iverson.

He is apsolute garbage in playoffs once teams pick him apart who lives and dies off ref baiting and betting on ability to make bad shos.

Where i was wrong about him is his passing and ability to provide gravity along with ultra elite vision and ability to impact team's offense by just existing on court.



Thing about me and most people here is fact that i won't change opinon on player if he happends to be selected by my favorite team. Especially if that player in mean time did nothing but hat of that team on his head.

if you asked me yesterday about Jett Howard i would say: good shooter, but unathletic, not starting material. day later i still share same sentiments.

[tiderulz]

The Chuma/Jett comparison is a really poor one IMO.

They picked Okeke knowing he was going to miss an entire season with a severe knee injury for goodness sake. Totally apples and oranges.

i think its fair in that they decided on a player regardless of where he was ranked and if you could get value by trading back. all i can say, that player better be successful. that is, if you have an ownership that would hold a front office accountable. Okeke is not what i would call a successful pick

[tiderulz]

I went to see mocks before his injuries, he was almost never mocked to go before 22#. Than he returned and sucked. To be drafted 11th. Makes no sense whatsoever.

You’re wrong on this.

Here’s Jonathan Wasserman on January 18th with Jett Howard at 10.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10061849-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-full-2-round-projections.amp.html

Here’s Jeremy Woo from January 12th with Jett Howard at 18.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2023/01/12/nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-anthony-black

Here’s Paul Kasabian from April 2 with Jett Howard at 12.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10070519-2023-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions-before-ncaa-championship.amp.html

Here’s Sam Vecenie from February 16 with Jett Howard at 15.

https://theathletic.com/4156999/2023/02/16/nba-mock-draft-walker-wembanyama-henderson/?source=user_shared_article ($)

Here’s Adam Spinella from January 25th with Jett Howard at 15.

Watch on YouTube

most of those were from January, when a lot of his season hadnt been played. as more film of him was seen, he dropped. and yes, probably some because of his injury too.

[JoshuaPotter]

The Chuma/Jett comparison is a really poor one IMO.

They picked Okeke knowing he was going to miss an entire season with a severe knee injury for goodness sake. Totally apples and oranges.

i think its fair in that they decided on a player regardless of where he was ranked and if you could get value by trading back. all i can say, that player better be successful. that is, if you have an ownership that would hold a front office accountable. Okeke is not what i would call a successful pick

There it is.....

Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water yet. If it turns out its a bust though lots write this one down as plainly mistake no 2.

But please understand it isn't a mistake. Yet.

In fact, it's actually on paper a success.

We have known that our "G" roster was mediocrity defined and we put two picks into the "G" slot. I'm not saying we will see moves from here right away. There is in fact a clear direction and indication of, "I see what they did there." I admit I wanted Dick over Jett and in my head there was a joke about Jett isn't Juwan, or Dwight somewhere brewing but hey. At least it wasn't Jett at #6.

[UCFJayBird]

After watching some highlights I like what i see offensively. No clue on defense so i'll take what i've heard that he's a liability. Maybe he can turn into an offensive spark plug. If you can find a guy who can come in off the bench and provide instant scoring that's worthy of #11.

But if he's a bust we'll all be wondering where this pick came from, especially if Dick doesn't bust since he was available and the presumed pick.

[JBSouthpaw]

The Chuma/Jett comparison is a really poor one IMO.

They picked Okeke knowing he was going to miss an entire season with a severe knee injury for goodness sake. Totally apples and oranges.

i think its fair in that they decided on a player regardless of where he was ranked and if you could get value by trading back. all i can say, that player better be successful. that is, if you have an ownership that would hold a front office accountable. Okeke is not what i would call a successful pick

Don't forget, they also picked Okeke because they knew they could wait a year to sign him.
We had a super veteran team when we drafted him, I liked the move.

[VFX]

All of this with Jett depends on if he has an ability to shoot off the dribble and defend in space.

You can catch the ball and shoot from range, great. I’d hope so because the metrics say you aren’t good at anything else.

For months I’m told Gradey Dick is nothing but a shooter when it’s obvious, for anyone that watches college basketball, that’s absolutely not the case. You could at least see Gradey cut to the basket more than 4 times in a season and had some of the best off-the-dribble shooting numbers as anyone in the lotto.

I could only imagine that the main reasons they took Jett were because he’s bigger, played at Michigan (Devos love that) , and his injuries held him back from being able to show everything.

I kinda don’t buy that last part. Why? Because Gradey did show everything worthy of being the pick aside from winning a national championship. Maybe they thought Gradey was an annoying child because he acts that way. Who knows.

Jett Howard could be a good pick. Maybe he’s Bane and he hasn’t hit that level yet. If Gradey Dick or Hawkins become better players though this is a fat L because they overthought the entire thing.

[jezzerinho]

I'm a bit fed up with the Magic selecting unexplosive, heavy-footed, jack-of-all-trades wings.

Howard's IMG and EYBL play looks more hopeful, but he was a lot more wiry and flexible then. The passing ability showed up and his defence was a lot better..

The college tape is just soooo plodding and one-paced tho. The name Jett looked like a cruel irony.

Would the real Jett Howard please stand up?

[tiderulz]

After watching some highlights I like what i see offensively. No clue on defense so i'll take what i've heard that he's a liability. Maybe he can turn into an offensive spark plug. If you can find a guy who can come in off the bench and provide instant scoring that's worthy of #11.

But if he's a bust we'll all be wondering where this pick came from, especially if Dick doesn't bust since he was available and the presumed pick.

like i said, he is a cheap version of Duncan Robinson. offensive shooter, but not much else right now. remains to see if he can develop more. i hope so

[eyriq]

I don't know about Jett. I like the shooting, and he even has the ability to shoot off the dribble and create for himself. Sounds like he's an off ball movement shooter as well. I didn't like Grady so this is a welcome curve ball. I'm interested in how a lineup of Jett/Franz/Paolo will perform.