Dallas Mavericks 2023 offseason thread

[Mavrelous]

Cap structure:
Here is the salary table

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Luka Doncic   $40,064,220    $43,031,940    $45,999,660    $48,967,38   
Tim Hardaway Jr.   $17,897,728    $16,193,183          
Richaun Holmes   $13,852,923    $14,808,297          
Maxi Kleber   $11,000,000    $11,000,000    $11,000,000       
Reggie Bullock   $10,489,600             
JaVale McGee   $5,734,280    $6,007,341          
Dereck Lively II   $4,774,920    $5,013,666.00    $5,264,349.30    $5,527,566.77    
Josh Green   $4,765,339             
Olivier-Maxence Prosper   $2,733,360    $2,870,028.00    $3,013,529.40    $3,164,205.87    
Jaden Hardy   $1,719,864    $2,019,699          
               
Sum   $111,225,331    $99,012,637    $65,277,539    $8,691,773    


Total salary is $113,032,234

Tax threshold 165.3
First Apron 172.3

Tax considerations: Mavs should think hard about ducking tax this year(165.3), this opens tax slots for the following 2 years w/o being repeater tax offenders, matters greatly for spending, Cuban isn't the big spender he was 20 years ago.


Depth chart:
Mavs have 10 guys on roster, I'd like Kyrie to sign for 180/4, this salary starts at 40, his max start at ~47
With Kyrie max Mavs are 160 million, 0 chance they use the MLE
With 180/4, they are at 153, using the MLE is possible, but still unlikely, unless it's a must have guy.
Depth chart assuming Kyrie signs

Kyrie/Hardy
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Green
Maxi/OMP
Holmes/McGee/Lively*

* Lively will start in the G-league and get garbage minutes when one of the centers is inujured, in the 2nd half of the season will be brought along, similar to Hardy, I really liked the way they handled Hardy minutes.

Positional needs:
Guards -- no need, Mavs need another PG for spot minutes, I'm fine with MWIV on 2nd year of 2-way or a vet min signing (Ish Smith?)
Centers -- I don't think Mavs should get a center, I would've traded for Ayton if Lively is not picked, but with Lively, Mavs should see what he has to offer, he shouldn't be counted on this year, but if next year he starts contributing, this year and the next, rotation of Maxi, Holmes, McGee at C is enough.
Wings -- Mavs need more wings or F-C types, I wanted Leonard Miller, Trayce Jackson-Davis went 58, looks like a steal, but given they went for OMP, they can target FAs for this position, Maxi is not a high load guy, and is needed in the PO, OMP is more ready than Lively, but projecting anything more than 15 minutes isn't fair to him.

FA targets:
Bruce Brown -- My fabourite target, 50% chance he's re-signing with DEN, 49% chance he signs 60/4 with the Kings, 1% somewhere else, after the Kings trade, I think Kings are the leading non-Nuggets team to land him, slim chance he goes somewhere else.
Grant Williams -- will take the full MLE, I don't like him as a player, but he fits the slot like a glove.
Harrison Barnes -- will take the full MLE at least, I'm impartial to it, fills important place in depth chart and slides Maxi to the C spot.

TPMLE targets I like:
Thybulle -- smaller than needed, but high upside, his defense is really a difference maker.
Torrey Craig
Mavs should really really consider these 2 if they don't offer Barnes full MLE.

Partial TPMLE:
Cam Reddish
Josh Okogie
Oshae Brisset
Keita Bates Diop
Jalen McDaniels -- had multiple chances to breakout and didn't, wild shot that should be kept for last.

Vets:
THJ -- he's not expendable anymore IMO, unless Mavs want to hand the bench scoring keys to Hardy which is a huge gamble, the team has no natural scorers other than Luka and Kyrie, Hardy is still young and shouldn't be counted on yet, THJ can put up shots, he's also the only volume shooter on roster, Mavs can gamble by trading him, but I don't recommend it.
Bullock -- if the Mavs choose to target smaller guy, he's expendable, he's also expiring, and partially guaranteed, he can be stretch wiaved, and this opens full MLE w/o going into tax.
Maxi is needed, should be load managed in RS, to be kept for the PO, where he is a dependable 30MPG stretch 5.
Holmes fills Powell slot.
Mcgee -- **** McGee, **** Jason Kidd, and **** the Los Angeles Lakers, the Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat.

Trade targets:
Trade targets I like, but I'm not sure how realistic they are:
Taureen Prince -- fits like a glove, but key rotation player in Minny, they got a steal in Leonard Miller in the 2nd rd, and have SloMo and Jaden McDaniels, maybe they trade him for Bullock? Mavs can throw in their only conditional 2nd (2025, conditinal upon Mavs paying 1st to the Knicks, practically guaranteed).
Simone Fontechio -- fits in the TPE (3.1mils due to Holmes trade kicker), didn't work for the Jazz, but can be tried here, Jazz have 14 players on roster before FA/trades.
Robert Covington -- fills the PF slot, maybe for Bullock.

[daoneandonly]

Luka/ Hardy
Kyrie/ THJ
Bullock/ Green
MLE/ Kleber/ OMP
Holmes/ Lively/ McGee

That’s 11. I’m assuming Powell comes back for the min he makes 12. Dallas uses the MLE on a big wing 4, Grant Williams, Harrison Barnes, or Keita Bates Diop would be 13. I think Bullock currently gets the nod over Green but if Green improves like he’s done in years past I think he could beat out Bullock fast.

I think the priories right now should be:
1. Get a good 3 and D forward/wing with the MLE
2. Dump McGee anywhere you can
3. Look into upgrading Bullock or THJ with the 2027 1st
4. Look into a potential 1 year rental on a center while we get Lively up to speed.

McGee for 10mimutes a game could be good.

Yea McGee definitely has utility. The problem was the decision to give him a 3 year deal at his age and a promise to start. But definitely has a role. I think 10 minutes would be great and teach Lively some things about D and rebounding. Thats why I'd only want one of Powell or Holmes, both will just take minutes away from the rookie. If we can package Holmes (or THJ) and Green for a solid wing/PF, I would be thrilled. Give Green's minutes to a combo of whoever we trade for, Hardy, and the 2 rookies.

[Medbrat]

So what's up with Holmes? I remember he looked alright on 76, but I don't remember seeing him on the Kings. Is he still average? Coz that'd be an improvement over Powell Kleber. If he's a top20 starting C in the league who can give us solid 26-30 minutes then it's good.
I don't expect any positive contribution from Lively or Omax next season.

[Mavrelous]

So what's up with Holmes? I remember he looked alright on 76, but I don't remember seeing him on the Kings. Is he still average? Coz that'd be an improvement over Powell Kleber. If he's a top20 starting C in the league who can give us solid 26-30 minutes then it's good.
I don't expect any positive contribution from Lively or Omax next season.

He was very good on the Kings also, before the personal problems with his wife accusing him of child abuse.
Holmes is a fan favourite, hustle player, but he's a limited player that doesn't win by himself, he's very similar to Dwight Powell, rim runner (Powell is better, but Holmes is also good), not as athletic (Powell is good at switching to guards), but has a very good shot from mid range, better rebounder and defender on bigs, but also not a rim protector.
Kings didn't have Luka to win despite having flawed and undersized center, so they had to move on from him, Luka's success with Powell is a good sign Holmes can be 20MPG guy.

[daoneandonly]

Cap structure:
Here is the salary table

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Luka Doncic   $40,064,220    $43,031,940    $45,999,660    $48,967,38   
Tim Hardaway Jr.   $17,897,728    $16,193,183          
Richaun Holmes   $13,852,923    $14,808,297          
Maxi Kleber   $11,000,000    $11,000,000    $11,000,000       
Reggie Bullock   $10,489,600             
JaVale McGee   $5,734,280    $6,007,341          
Dereck Lively II   $4,774,920    $5,013,666.00    $5,264,349.30    $5,527,566.77    
Josh Green   $4,765,339             
Olivier-Maxence Prosper   $2,733,360    $2,870,028.00    $3,013,529.40    $3,164,205.87    
Jaden Hardy   $1,719,864    $2,019,699          
               
Sum   $111,225,331    $99,012,637    $65,277,539    $8,691,773    


Total salary is $113,032,234

Tax threshold 165.3
First Apron 172.3

Tax considerations: Mavs should think hard about ducking tax this year(165.3), this opens tax slots for the following 2 years w/o being repeater tax offenders, matters greatly for spending, Cuban isn't the big spender he was 20 years ago.


Depth chart:
Mavs have 10 guys on roster, I'd like Kyrie to sign for 180/4, this salary starts at 40, his max start at ~47
With Kyrie max Mavs are 160 million, 0 chance they use the MLE
With 180/4, they are at 153, using the MLE is possible, but still unlikely, unless it's a must have guy.
Depth chart assuming Kyrie signs

Kyrie/Hardy
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Green
Maxi/OMP
Holmes/McGee/Lively*

* Lively will start in the G-league and get garbage minutes when one of the centers is inujured, in the 2nd half of the season will be brought along, similar to Hardy, I really liked the way they handled Hardy minutes.

Positional needs:
Guards -- no need, Mavs need another PG for spot minutes, I'm fine with MWIV on 2nd year of 2-way or a vet min signing (Ish Smith?)
Centers -- I don't think Mavs should get a center, I would've traded for Ayton if Lively is not picked, but with Lively, Mavs should see what he has to offer, he shouldn't be counted on this year, but if next year he starts contributing, this year and the next, rotation of Maxi, Holmes, McGee at C is enough.
Wings -- Mavs need more wings or F-C types, I wanted Leonard Miller, Trayce Jackson-Davis went 58, looks like a steal, but given they went for OMP, they can target FAs for this position, Maxi is not a high load guy, and is needed in the PO, OMP is more ready than Lively, but projecting anything more than 15 minutes isn't fair to him.

FA targets:
Bruce Brown -- My fabourite target, 50% chance he's re-signing with DEN, 49% chance he signs 60/4 with the Kings, 1% somewhere else, after the Kings trade, I think Kings are the leading non-Nuggets team to land him, slim chance he goes somewhere else.
Grant Williams -- will take the full MLE, I don't like him as a player, but he fits the slot like a glove.
Harrison Barnes -- will take the full MLE at least, I'm impartial to it, fills important place in depth chart and slides Maxi to the C spot.

TPMLE targets I like:
Thybulle -- smaller than needed, but high upside, his defense is really a difference maker.
Torrey Craig
Mavs should really really consider these 2 if they don't offer Barnes full MLE.

Partial TPMLE:
Cam Reddish
Josh Okogie
Oshae Brisset
Keita Bates Diop
Jalen McDaniels -- had multiple chances to breakout and didn't, wild shot that should be kept for last.

Vets:
THJ -- he's not expendable anymore IMO, unless Mavs want to hand the bench scoring keys to Hardy which is a huge gamble, the team has no natural scorers other than Luka and Kyrie, Hardy is still young and shouldn't be counted on yet, THJ can put up shots, he's also the only volume shooter on roster, Mavs can gamble by trading him, but I don't recommend it.
Bullock -- if the Mavs choose to target smaller guy, he's expendable, he's also expiring, and partially guaranteed, he can be stretch wiaved, and this opens full MLE w/o going into tax.
Maxi is needed, should be load managed in RS, to be kept for the PO, where he is a dependable 30MPG stretch 5.
Holmes fills Powell slot.
Mcgee -- **** McGee, **** Jason Kidd, and **** the Los Angeles Lakers, the Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat.

Trade targets:
Trade targets I like, but I'm not sure how realistic they are:
Taureen Prince -- fits like a glove, but key rotation player in Minny, they got a steal in Leonard Miller in the 2nd rd, and have SloMo and Jaden McDaniels, maybe they trade him for Bullock? Mavs can throw in their only conditional 2nd (2025, conditinal upon Mavs paying 1st to the Knicks, practically guaranteed).
Simone Fontechio -- fits in the TPE (3.1mils due to Holmes trade kicker), didn't work for the Jazz, but can be tried here, Jazz have 14 players on roster before FA/trades.
Robert Covington -- fills the PF slot, maybe for Bullock.

You're kind of hard on McGee, its the team's fault for giving him 3 years and a starting promise, mostly Kidd to blame, I'd put Memphis instead of McGee on your **** list

[Mavrelous]

You're kind of hard on McGee, its the team's fault for giving him 3 years and a starting promise, mostly Kidd to blame, I'd put Memphis instead of McGee on your **** list

Would Holmes for Covington make sense?

He was an extremely disappointing signing, and you're right, it's Kidd's fault, I doubt Nico went and reached for a 35 y/o journeyman by himself, I hope Nico learned his lesson.

Holmes for RoCo isn't a good for the Clippers, Batum is a better undersized center.
If the Clippers wanted to save salary, and waive Gordon non-guaranteed, then THJ/Holmes for Morris/RoCo is a good deal for them, then Mavs need too invest their TPMLE in a scoring guard instead of wing.

[daoneandonly]

You're kind of hard on McGee, its the team's fault for giving him 3 years and a starting promise, mostly Kidd to blame, I'd put Memphis instead of McGee on your **** list

Would Holmes for Covington make sense?

He was an extremely disappointing signing, and you're right, it's Kidd's fault, I doubt Nico went and reached for a 35 y/o journeyman by himself, I hope Nico learned his lesson.

Holmes for RoCo isn't a good for the Clippers, Batum is a better undersized center.
If the Clippers wanted to save salary, and waive Gordon non-guaranteed, then THJ/Holmes for Morris/RoCo is a good deal for them, then Mavs need too invest their TPMLE in a scoring guard instead of wing.

Yea thought Holmes was expiring, but his last year is a PO. I like that deal less now.

[arkuo]

Rookie centers tend to jump on every shot which racks up fouls quickly. Holmes is insurance policy for DL2. By the time DL2 is at Claxton's level, Holmes can be let go IMO.

It's the challenges of team building. You need to also build for a scenario where Kyrie or Luka both walk. You never know. So with that scenario you still have young talent that are cost controlled.

[Mavrelous]

You're kind of hard on McGee, its the team's fault for giving him 3 years and a starting promise, mostly Kidd to blame, I'd put Memphis instead of McGee on your **** list

Would Holmes for Covington make sense?

He was an extremely disappointing signing, and you're right, it's Kidd's fault, I doubt Nico went and reached for a 35 y/o journeyman by himself, I hope Nico learned his lesson.

Holmes for RoCo isn't a good for the Clippers, Batum is a better undersized center.
If the Clippers wanted to save salary, and waive Gordon non-guaranteed, then THJ/Holmes for Morris/RoCo is a good deal for them, then Mavs need too invest their TPMLE in a scoring guard instead of wing.

Yea thought Holmes was expiring, but his last year is a PO. I like that deal less now.

That's the going rate for 1st rd pick, OKC gained a 1st by taking on Derrick Favors similar deal (22/2).
Mavs needed center depth because Lively won't play, and if he plays, he'll foul out in 15 minutes, Holmes being similar player to Powell, is an easy transition, he's also better rebounder than Powell, which is an area of dire need.

[arkuo]

I wonder if Dallas can still utilize C-Wood in a sign and trade? Maybe they can get something there and keep THJ for bench scoring. Playing with scenarios and given no team with cap space is giving C-Wood $15M to $20M, maybe a contending team looking for pieces might roll the dice.

[daoneandonly]

I still wish Hendricks dropped to us, but overall, it was a good night for the Mavs

Now if we can turn any of (or combo of) Green, THJ, Holmes into better fitting pieces, promising offseason.

Looking forward to watching summer league

[Archx]

Luka, Kyrie, Bullock, Maxi, Holmes is a very bad starting lineup. If Bullocks' and Maxi's downfall continues, this could be a potential disaster of a season again. I hope Finley was on to something when he said they still have ways to go to improve.

[arkuo]

Luka, Kyrie, Bullock, Maxi, Holmes is a very bad starting lineup. If Bullocks' and Maxi's downfall continues, this could be a potential disaster of a season again. I hope Finley was on to something when he said they still have ways to go to improve.

I think Green needs to start there. Bullock didn't impress when him and Powell were in the starting lineup last season. And hopefully Maxi comes off the bench too. Maybe they get someone to replace him in the starting unit.

[Mavrelous]

Luka, Kyrie, Bullock, Maxi, Holmes is a very bad starting lineup. If Bullocks' and Maxi's downfall continues, this could be a potential disaster of a season again. I hope Finley was on to something when he said they still have ways to go to improve.

I think Bullock is gone, and the team will insert Green into the starting lineup, either S&W for cap relief or traded for a team needing a guard for a PF.
Maxi currently is the only PF on the team, one has to hope he recovers from the injury he had and comes back like before.
It'll depend on how fast OMP can start contributing.
Mavs can go crazy and trade for Collins, but I doubt they do it, their cap situation isn't much better than the Hawks.

[arkuo]

Yeah I dont think Mavs will renew Bullock to a fresh 4 year deal after this one. Green should be the eventual replacement. Although I'd like to see more of Green before he inks a new deal.

[41Dirk41]

Kyrie
Luka
Green
G.Williams
Holmes

Maybe a little bit undersized under the basket but not a bad S5...

[Forbes]

I expect OMP to start contributing on Defense right away. I think we drafted him with that mind and I believe he’ll get a solid amount of minutes from the start because of his defensive effort.

[daoneandonly]

Would SA take the extra guaranteed money for Holmes last year in a Holmes/Devonte Graham swap? Holmes can allow Wemby to play more the 4 for now until he bulks up and Dallas gets a much needed backup PG and facilitator.

That can hopefully make THJ expendable and swapped out for a 4

[daoneandonly]

Kyrie
Luka
Green
G.Williams
Holmes

Maybe a little bit undersized under the basket but not a bad S5...

What contract do you think Williams should get?

[41Dirk41]

Kyrie
Luka
Green
G.Williams
Holmes

Maybe a little bit undersized under the basket but not a bad S5...

What contract do you think Williams should get?

I hope full MLE but i think over 15M despite the narrative about new CBA...