2023 draft thread

[DOT]

I am delighted by the patient, careful approach that Rose and company are taking.

It would be a mistake to confuse patience with inaction

Patience is a virtue, but sloth is a sin.

[EricAnderson]

The problem is our future draft assets are all heavily protected picks they aren’t worth all that much

If we get in bidding wars with teams with tons of unprotected or lightly protected picks and pick swaps we can’t compete and there are more teams then just the ones you mentioned who have those

We still have our own picks and those heavily protected picks are extremely like to be conveyed. All Washington has to do by 2026 is to be 9th in the lottery. The Bucks picks will almost certainly convey. The Pistons pick will also convey.

Everybody wants quick fixes but in my opinion, careful moves make the most sense when it comes to winning. The team that just won the NBA champions has how many top-five picks on it? San Antonio could have gone all-in at the start of the David Robinson - Sean Elliot period and then instead kept their draft options open.

I am delighted by the patient, careful approach that Rose and company are taking.

But teams will still take the deal with the teams with potentially better picks.

They aren’t gonna say “well some non high picks have become stars so I’d rather a later pick”

That’s like a NFL team saying give me a 6th round pick instead of a first because there have been a lot of QB busts taken in the first round and Brady was picked in the 6th round

[FrozenEnvelope]

Who tf cares how we got Brunson? Most signings are either money driven or due to personal relationships! Some of you will bitch about anything! Be happy we finally got a damn PG sheesh.

[Billy Goat]

nepotism and the fact brunsons childhood dream was to be a knicks. Its been a tolerable reign by the front office, but nothing more

The Knicks have been built around this forever. Someone’s getting paid for taking on certain players. Luckily Brunson is a winning player. The Villanova Jay Wright connection is big. Kentucky players are the worst.

[DOT]

Some of you will bitch about anything!

Says the guy choosing not to read what's actually being said so he can complain lol

[Oscirus]

nepotism and the fact brunsons childhood dream was to be a knicks. Its been a tolerable reign by the front office, but nothing more

The Knicks have been built around this forever. Someone’s getting paid for taking on certain players. Luckily Brunson is a winning player. The Villanova Jay Wright connection is big. Kentucky players are the worst.

Saying we've been built around that is an exaggeration. The only other player we've gotten like that is Melo. Hell we tried to use nepotism to sign Durant and fell flat on our faces.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Come on. No need for hyperbole. Brunson and Randle were good moves. I’m not as high on Grimes as others but by consensus both he and IQ both were good moves. The Hart trade was a win, even if it meant we pointed on this draft. Brass has made a lot of good moves so far.

Randle was/is not a good move and signing him to an extension after a historically bad playoff series was special, and he rewarded them by having a playoff run almost as bad as the first one. His playoff numbers on volume are some of the worst in NBA history, you can't put lipstick on a pig.

Hart is a good player, the problem is we're going to need to resign him and he'll no longer be cheap relative to his production, whereas the guys who were taken after our pick will be outperforming their contracts for the next several years. Jalen Williams is already a better player than Hart, and he's on a 4 year $20.2 million rookie deal, Hart will be close to making per year what Jalen's total contract is.

Oh I forgot. Can’t say anything positive about Julius, In spite of his all NBA status and cheap contract. My bad.

I agree that drafting a guy at 11 last year would’ve been preferable to the pupu platter of protected picks we have, though it did seem like an asset when we were chasing Spida. I’ve gone back and forth with a few on the board already regarding how nice it would’ve been to get Williams or griffin last year. Doesn’t take away from the teams progression so far these past few years. At least we’re not cellar dwellers anymore.

Say whatever you want about him, it was not a good move and repeating that he's all-NBA means absolutely nothing in the face of historically bad playoff numbers.


If we keep trading picks we will be back in the cellar shortly, and we'll waste prime/peak years of Brunson, who is now on a value contract. The new CBA is going to make it extremely difficult to build without value deals, and rookie contracts are going to be gold.

[Billy Goat]

nepotism and the fact brunsons childhood dream was to be a knicks. Its been a tolerable reign by the front office, but nothing more

The Knicks have been built around this forever. Someone’s getting paid for taking on certain players. Luckily Brunson is a winning player. The Villanova Jay Wright connection is big. Kentucky players are the worst.

Saying we've been built around that is an exaggeration. The only other player we've gotten like that is Melo. Hell we tried to use nepotism to sign Durant and fell flat on our faces.

I mean we had Chris Smith on the roster.

[duetta]

That’s like a NFL team saying give me a 6th round pick instead of a first because there have been a lot of QB
busts taken in the first round and Brady was picked in the 6th round

Better to have drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round of the NFL draft than Drew Blesdod at the top of the First round. First round picks are quite often products of a hype machine.

Winning over the long term depends on superior scouting, superior post-draft skill building, and superior management processes.

Knicks have acquired many, many second draft top lottery types and not one of them has stuck. Mistakes are made every single year.

[thebuzzardman]

Draft picks are like cars. Once you pick one off of the lot, it loses 20%+ in value.
We gotta be realistic about the situation. The Knicks aren't in rebuild/youth mode and have a hard enough time getting Deuce and Obi consistent minutes. Any rookie added this year would depreciate in value with minimal burn.

With the new CBA guys on rookie contracts are going to be important, hence the Warriors, Lakers, Nuggets and Celtics all drafting guys. We're not in the position to punt on drafts, especially not when the next CBA is going to make it very difficult to build teams.

Even more than that

Nuggets made moves to trade for a 1st round pick this year like a week ago despite not knowing how the draft was gonna shake out

Getting guys on rookie deals is vital to establishing long term success, even if they're not your star players. Like, if we don't sign those vets 2 years ago, then sign Brunson and take say, Tari Eason with our pick cause we didn't need to trade it to free up space, we don't need to trade a 1st for Hart cause Eason does pretty much the same thing, except is cost controlled for 3 more years

We could then have used that pick this year to say, draft Ben Sheppard for more shooting off the bench

So instead of having Eason and Sheppard making less than 10 mil combined for at least the next 3 years, we are about to pay Hart 15 mil per year (at least) to be essentially an older, smaller, less athletic Eason

But this FO is brilliant and those picks are worthless anyways

Also, I just love the logic of "the team is so incompetent that they wouldn't develop anyone we draft, so it's actually genius for them to punt the draft away" lol.

Oh well. Knicks shouldn't have gone for Brunson or Hart.

Now, of course they could have managed the cap better or the situation and kept last year's pick, but they didn't.

Funny, I didn't see all the posts during the season how Brunson was nice, but what about that pick.

Then the Knicks got Hart, which EVERYONE immediately slavered over and started the 3 month long Hart ball licking contest, only to have some regrets when he looked like Shandon Anderson or non jumper Burks in the playoffs.
But again, while it was going on, not a peep the Knicks burned that first rounder.
Maybe a LITTLE when the Mavs outtanked the Knicks 2023 extra pick.

You wanted a pick in this draft?
Knicks should have moved Obit or never signed Hart.

Of course, Knicks don't get Hart and they are probably the 10th seed and bounced from the playoffs.

Que the "THAT'S THE WAY REBUILDING SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!"

Very little of that during the playoff run though.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks burned picks on the Villanova Nepotism Brothers. Hate to see it. Should still be grabbing picks and building around Julius and RJ.

[thebuzzardman]

The Brunson's wrecked this team by making the Knicks forfeit their future cost controlled all star by making the select Jalen's breast milk drinking freakazoid buddy who can't make jumpers.

Someone tell Hart to drink tit milk from Kangaroos, might add + jumper ability!

[thebuzzardman]

Brunson family worse than the Ball family

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should have continued to develop Perry's Proteges, Mudiay, Elf and Mario Herzonja. They lacked patience and instead blew draft picks and big $ on Jalen "Only 1 good year" Brunson and Josh "I HART TIT MILK" Hart, when instead they could have 2 extra picks, 3 if you assume they didn't draft megabust RJ when SF of the future was right there in Super Mario - superior all around player.

THREE DIFFERENT PLAYERS. THINK OF HOW GOOD THE ROSTER COULD BE.

6 players if you count future stars Elf, Mudiay and Mario, who were never given the proper chance to develop.

[thebuzzardman]

We need more discussion around the fact that the villain of this year's draft is John Hart. I'm not fooled by his fake hustle hustling.

Cover up for lack of necessary skills.

Knicks once again burn picks to make bogus playoff run, when we all know tanking is the way, never, EVER trade picks.

This after getting no defense Brunson when Knicks had stout defender in Elf.

That's TWO picks Knicks should have had.

Dolan has Knicks FO once again chasing mediocrity and 1st round playoff exits and everyone (but me) drank it up like poison KoolAid.


FOOLS

[thebuzzardman]

Oh, Keels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obi 2.0

[thebuzzardman]

Did we get Paul George yet?

[thebuzzardman]

Who tf cares how we got Brunson? Most signings are either money driven or due to personal relationships! Some of you will bitch about anything! Be happy we finally got a damn PG sheesh.

Where's ohboy109 at?

He recognizes the failure in this move. Just like Jimmit, who identified all the RJ flaws, he was shouted down by the masses.

Sometimes that's the way it is for those so wise and out in front mentally.

Soon, all will be ohboy109

[thebuzzardman]

Let's get this back on track. Which mom had the largest circumference nipples?

Was there a consensus?

MrSilverDollarnipples, help me out here.

[stuporman]

So did the Knicks sign any UFAs? Are they really going use the Keels excuse as 'draft assets'? Maybe they should say the same about the Euro they drafted a couple seasons ago that will never play for the Knicks, too.

They built and developed arguably the best team in two decades but this FO and coach leave so much to be desired.