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Post#161 » by MoGrAdY » Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:46 pm

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tiderulz wrote:like i said, he is a cheap version of Duncan Robinson. offensive shooter, but not much else right now. remains to see if he can develop more. i hope so



This is one of the worst takes I’ve seen so far.

Jett is right now a better NBA player than Duncan. Lazy comparison.

well, Duncan has played in the NBA, earned himself an extension and is career 40% from 3. how about we wait to see Howard play 1 game in the NBA, if he has trouble getting his shot off. They are both 3 pt specialists right now, who are not great on defense, a little slow footed, wing sized at 6'7-6'8. i dont think its lazy at all. But Jett doesnt bring anything that i see that Robinson hasnt shown.



Jett has shown self creation ability, his bad defense is being a little overplayed as well. Duncan is a parking cone. I just don’t see it. I’m not saying he’s going to be great or that I even love the pick, just think people are labeling a 19 year old kid way too early. He’s got more in his bag than a jumper.
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Post#162 » by thelead » Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:49 pm

3ddman23 wrote:I just feel like weltman tries to make it seem like he is out smarting everyone. Again I'm not mad about the player it's just the reach to get him at 11. Especially when u have 2 guys in Hawkins and dick who are essentially the same exact player but with potential more upside.

So again the player isn't the problem it's the reach at 11. Where does he fit on the roster? How does he get minutes. What does he do aside from hit 3s. Idk I'm not completely down on this pick it's just a head sctracher.

All 3 have their question marks if we're being honest. I'm worried about Jett's defense but his handle separates him from Dick and Hawkins on offense.
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Post#163 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:57 pm

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This is one of the worst takes I’ve seen so far.

Jett is right now a better NBA player than Duncan. Lazy comparison.

well, Duncan has played in the NBA, earned himself an extension and is career 40% from 3. how about we wait to see Howard play 1 game in the NBA, if he has trouble getting his shot off. They are both 3 pt specialists right now, who are not great on defense, a little slow footed, wing sized at 6'7-6'8. i dont think its lazy at all. But Jett doesnt bring anything that i see that Robinson hasnt shown.



Jett has shown self creation ability, his bad defense is being a little overplayed as well. Duncan is a parking cone. I just don’t see it. I’m not saying he’s going to be great or that I even love the pick, just think people are labeling a 19 year old kid way too early. He’s got more in his bag than a jumper.

notice i didnt say that is all he could be, that is what he is right now, and its not necessarily a bad thing. and his bad defense is not overplayed imo, every scouting report talks about how bad his defense is. And Duncan showed more this playoffs, had a lot more cuts to the basket when everyone just expected him to camp on the 3 pt line. im just not seeing a lot more to Jett's game than a jumper though
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Post#164 » by JBSouthpaw » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:56 pm

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Skybox wrote:Sadly, I'd have to grade this draft "Incomplete"...not because I'm disappointed in the actual players, but it's unclear to me what their role is. I asked the exact same question in the Black thread (but different position)...

IS JETT HOWARD ABLE TO PLAY SG?

(if not, let's move quickly to the trade market for the guy who fills a gaping need. As of this morning, Gary Harris is our best SG)



I don't know why people are giving out grades, these guys haven't played a game yet. So grading vs random mock drafts?


Yeah, I wish I got my grades in HS before I ever took a class.
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Post#165 » by locomagicfan » Fri Jun 23, 2023 5:46 pm

I see a bit of Jordan Poole in his game with the shifty dribbling and pull-up shot creation.
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Post#166 » by VFX » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:13 pm

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did we watch the same player? 3 levels? bro gradey is a specialist....he had nothing in his bag other than a 1 dribble pull up...that was part of his problem that he couldn't separate....i watch gradey get absolutely clamped up by arkansas and they didn't do anything other than just stick close to him because they KNEW he couldn't create his own shot


Three level scorer is maybe a stretch but Dick still cut to the rim off the ball (and even with the ball sometimes) that just really wasn't a part of Howard's game he barely had any attempts at the rim.. hopefully because of injury. I like the size, shooting, and ball movement though.

way more than a stretch...if gradey had 3 levels to his game he would actually maybe be worth a 6th overall selection as that's a totally different player....i'll give you the off-ball cuts though, something that is intuitive and gradey could do that no doubt....jett's injury may have had something to do with that as he said he was around 50%.... but that is an improvement area for sure, some aspect of that can be coached up...honestly all the players at this range(10-15) in the draft has some kind of weakness(s)



This is what annoys me about people trying to talk themselves into their teams pick. Don't just start making things up because it makes you feel better saying it out loud.

Only 2 guys in the class who took 100+ jumpshots OTD and shot over 45%, Sensabaugh and Dick.
Only 5 guys in the class shot >40% on guarded and unguarded C&S 3's: Sensabaugh, Whitehead, Hendricks, Sasser and Strawther.

Only 10 guys in the class shot >36% on guarded 3's + pull up 3's:
Sensabaugh (43/111) 38.7%
Strawther (52/129) 40.3%
Podz (57/146) 39%
Scheierman (48/127) 37.8%
Hawkins (73/183) 39.9%
Dick (62/146) 42.5%
Whitehead (25/64) 39.1%
Hendricks (45/119) 37.8%
Trey Alexander (37/86) 43%
Colby jones (30/79) 38%


Jett Howard isn't on the map. He's currently an excellent volume catch and shoot guy and completely average off screens - thats it. Gradey is not only better at guarded 3's, but also pull up 3's. Gradey was 58% at the rim and 27/46 on the season. Howard was 13/26 at 50%. So who was more "one dimensional"???

Listen. None of this is to say that Jett Howard cant or wont be a better player in the long run than Gradey Dick. But let's not disregard the truth that Dick was ranked where he was for reasons that Jett was not.

People should stick with Weltmans talking point that "his injury held him back" and move on.
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Post#167 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:27 pm

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Three level scorer is maybe a stretch but Dick still cut to the rim off the ball (and even with the ball sometimes) that just really wasn't a part of Howard's game he barely had any attempts at the rim.. hopefully because of injury. I like the size, shooting, and ball movement though.

way more than a stretch...if gradey had 3 levels to his game he would actually maybe be worth a 6th overall selection as that's a totally different player....i'll give you the off-ball cuts though, something that is intuitive and gradey could do that no doubt....jett's injury may have had something to do with that as he said he was around 50%.... but that is an improvement area for sure, some aspect of that can be coached up...honestly all the players at this range(10-15) in the draft has some kind of weakness(s)



This is what annoys me about people trying to talk themselves into their teams pick. Don't just start making things up because it makes you feel better saying it out loud.

Only 2 guys in the class who took 100+ jumpshots OTD and shot over 45%, Sensabaugh and Dick.
Only 5 guys in the class shot >40% on guarded and unguarded C&S 3's: Sensabaugh, Whitehead, Hendricks, Sasser and Strawther.

Only 10 guys in the class shot >36% on guarded 3's + pull up 3's:
Sensabaugh (43/111) 38.7%
Strawther (52/129) 40.3%
Podz (57/146) 39%
Scheierman (48/127) 37.8%
Hawkins (73/183) 39.9%
Dick (62/146) 42.5%
Whitehead (25/64) 39.1%
Hendricks (45/119) 37.8%
Trey Alexander (37/86) 43%
Colby jones (30/79) 38%


Jett Howard isn't on the map. He's currently an excellent volume catch and shoot guy and completely average off screens - thats it. Gradey is not only better at guarded 3's, but also pull up 3's. Gradey was 58% at the rim and 27/46 on the season. Howard was 13/26 at 50%. So who was more "one dimensional"???

Listen. None of this is to say that Jett Howard cant or wont be a better player in the long run than Gradey Dick. But let's not disregard the truth that Dick was ranked where he was for reasons that Jett was not.

People should stick with Weltmans talking point that "his injury held him back" and move on.


this i where i'm at. The same way we have felt that other players have been dinged by injury... sometime just being out on injured ankles can set you back.... and will still bother you while you might play through it. If they feel as though this afforded a much better player falling.... so be it.
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Re: The Jett Howard Thread 

Post#168 » by MagicManMike » Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:06 pm

I remember this board HATING the Franz pick even blasting him more after summer league. I’ll wait. On this pick and Black to show they weren’t the right choice. That will only happen on the court.
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Post#169 » by IllMagic04 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:15 pm

I saw plenty of games where Grady couldn't do anything cause the other team stayed attached to him. Both games against Texas and of course the Arkansas game. He's not a creater. To me Dick and Jett are both specialist. Grady shot the ball better. So what it comes down to is Jett must have convinced them that he has more in his bag then what he could show due to injury. We shall see. I was shocked but Im way more annoyed with the Black pick then this one. At least he's a shooter.

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Post#170 » by Knightro » Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:21 pm

Jett made 17-37 (45.95%) corner threes and 38-102 (37.25%) NBA range threes this past year.
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Post#171 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:23 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:I saw plenty of games where Grady couldn't do anything cause the other team stayed attached to him. Both games against Texas and of course the Arkansas game. He's not a creater. To me Dick and Jett are both specialist. Grady shot the ball better. So what it comes down to is Jett must have convinced them that he has more in his bag then what he could show due to injury. We shall see. I was shocked but Im way more annoyed with the Black pick then this one. At least he's a shooter.

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Was just coming to post this. looks like he's not as quite one dimensional as people may think. Interesting to see what all comes to the surface. Hope he can get to at least average on the defensive end. :-)

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Post#172 » by thelead » Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:10 pm

Man… I remember littering game day threads with Jett highlights early on… I can’t believe people think he’s just a spot up shooter.
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Post#173 » by bigdogdylan5 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:43 pm

Knightro wrote:Jett made 17-37 (45.95%) corner threes and 38-102 (37.25%) NBA range threes this past year.

On the off ESPN broadcast one of the guys kept saying he is a “nerds” pick. Trying to find someone that actually liked this pick is rough. Not a lot of ally’s now but if he provides spacing for us and makes threes everyone will pretend they wanted him all along just like Franz
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Post#174 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:49 pm

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Knightro wrote:Jett made 17-37 (45.95%) corner threes and 38-102 (37.25%) NBA range threes this past year.

On the off ESPN broadcast one of the guys kept saying he is a “nerds” pick. Trying to find someone that actually liked this pick is rough. Not a lot of ally’s now but if he provides spacing for us and makes threes everyone will pretend they wanted him all along just like Franz


I saw something about his high school 3pt shooting. He was ~40% every year. I think he's a legit floor spacer and I don't hate him being the first shooter off the board.
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Post#175 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:05 pm

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Knightro wrote:Jett made 17-37 (45.95%) corner threes and 38-102 (37.25%) NBA range threes this past year.

On the off ESPN broadcast one of the guys kept saying he is a “nerds” pick. Trying to find someone that actually liked this pick is rough. Not a lot of ally’s now but if he provides spacing for us and makes threes everyone will pretend they wanted him all along just like Franz


I saw something about his high school 3pt shooting. He was ~40% every year. I think he's a legit floor spacer and I don't hate him being the first shooter off the board.

was a good watch.



nearly 50% shooting and 40% shooting from 3 to start the season.
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Post#176 » by KillMonger » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:08 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:I saw plenty of games where Grady couldn't do anything cause the other team stayed attached to him. Both games against Texas and of course the Arkansas game. He's not a creater. To me Dick and Jett are both specialist. Grady shot the ball better. So what it comes down to is Jett must have convinced them that he has more in his bag then what he could show due to injury. We shall see. I was shocked but Im way more annoyed with the Black pick then this one. At least he's a shooter.

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This is what i'm saying, you can bring out all the stats you want but i was watching gradey get clamped up because of his issues creating separation....Jett has far more in his bag than just a spot shooter as you can see it with your eyes on film not just looking at numbers....i mean it's obvious, if it was just about shooting then you got me gradey would be on this team right now, i guess they wanted something a bit more dynamic
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Post#177 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:09 pm

eyriq wrote:
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Knightro wrote:Jett made 17-37 (45.95%) corner threes and 38-102 (37.25%) NBA range threes this past year.

On the off ESPN broadcast one of the guys kept saying he is a “nerds” pick. Trying to find someone that actually liked this pick is rough. Not a lot of ally’s now but if he provides spacing for us and makes threes everyone will pretend they wanted him all along just like Franz


I saw something about his high school 3pt shooting. He was ~40% every year. I think he's a legit floor spacer and I don't hate him being the first shooter off the board.

he was the 2nd. Miller was the first shooter off the board.
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Post#178 » by KillMonger » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:15 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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bigdogdylan5 wrote:On the off ESPN broadcast one of the guys kept saying he is a “nerds” pick. Trying to find someone that actually liked this pick is rough. Not a lot of ally’s now but if he provides spacing for us and makes threes everyone will pretend they wanted him all along just like Franz


I saw something about his high school 3pt shooting. He was ~40% every year. I think he's a legit floor spacer and I don't hate him being the first shooter off the board.

he was the 2nd. Miller was the first shooter off the board.

you know what's funny? i guess every fanbase does this to some degree....me personally i would've picked scoot but miller is a pick i understand there.....but on twitter i saw a video with a charlotte draft party when miller was selected they all yelled "NO" in almost unison....there are always going to be people that don't like it no matter what even though on paper its a good pick
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Post#179 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:26 pm

Here is a ChaptGPT driven analysis of Jett Howard based on his percentiles.

STRENGTHS
Jett Howard is a powerhouse in terms of usage and efficiency on the Michigan squad, ranking in the 70th and 74th percentiles respectively. It's not every day you see a player who takes up a lot of possession and still maintains a high level of effectiveness. He brings a solid offensive toolkit to the floor, excelling particularly in shooting, both inside the arc with a 74.4 percentile in effective field goal percentage and outside the arc with a three-point percentile of 75.

A major highlight in Howard's game is his exceptional scoring ability, landing him in the 93.6 percentile of all players. His strong scoring tendencies, coupled with his substantial usage, make him a significant threat on the court. A testament to his versatility is his performance in assist categories, where he is in the 63.7 percentile, making him a reliable playmaker for his team.

On the defensive side of the court, Howard's blocking ability stands out, as he falls in the 76.4 percentile. This skill showcases his good timing and spatial awareness. His free throw percentile at 81 is a further proof of his all-around offensive capabilities, making him a player opponents should avoid fouling.

Additionally, his offensive and defensive BPM (Box Plus/Minus) percentiles are excellent at 98.6 and 67.9 respectively, indicating his profound impact on both ends of the court.

WEAKNESSES
Although Howard displays strong performances in multiple areas, he has room for improvement in rebounding and stealing. His offensive rebounding percentile is 5.6, and his defensive rebounding percentile stands at 20.9, which points towards a need for improvement in his positioning, timing, and physicality in securing rebounds.

Furthermore, his steal percentile of 5.6 is relatively low, indicating a need for enhanced anticipation and faster reflexes in disrupting opposing offensive plays.

While his free throw percentile is high, his free throw rate percentile of 26.3 suggests that he could benefit from driving more often into the paint and creating contact to get to the free throw line.

SUMMARY
Overall, Jett Howard is a remarkable talent who showcases an impressive skill set in scoring, shooting, and blocking. His effectiveness on both ends of the court is a testament to his balanced game. His significant offensive contribution paired with a good defensive game makes him a valuable asset for any team.

However, there's room for improvement, particularly in his rebounding and stealing abilities. If he can enhance these aspects of his game, it will considerably increase his overall impact on the court. Regardless, his scoring prowess and versatility still make him an attractive prospect who can be a great addition to any collegiate program, and potentially, a standout player at the professional level.
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Post#180 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:31 pm

KillMonger wrote:
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I saw something about his high school 3pt shooting. He was ~40% every year. I think he's a legit floor spacer and I don't hate him being the first shooter off the board.

he was the 2nd. Miller was the first shooter off the board.

you know what's funny? i guess every fanbase does this to some degree....me personally i would've picked scoot but miller is a pick i understand there.....but on twitter i saw a video with a charlotte draft party when miller was selected they all yelled "NO" in almost unison....there are always going to be people that don't like it no matter what even though on paper its a good pick

yep. i think the Spurs fans might be the only ones happy. of course, they get their 2nd generational big man. I dont consider Robinson a "generational" big man, thought he was a very very good center. Although, i think almost everyone was happy with Suggs the pick, maybe not so much with Suggs where he is at right now in his development. The thing with Charlotte, Scoot needs the ball in his hands, but so does LaMelo. not sure how that would have played out. But they were also bad at 3 pt shooting too. Its going to be the same in Portland, Lillard will have the ball but Sterling needs it in his hands to be successful until his shot comes around.

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