2023 Trade Rumors

Post #301 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:11 pm

AingesBurner wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:I think unprotected picks are more valuable the further away they are, or if it's possible to have an indication on what will happen to the team that owes the pick, in cases of shorter term picks. So yes, a pick like the Knicks gave up (turned into Hayward) was valuable, but I would venture a guess that a 2025 pick from the Wolves or the Cavs isn't as valuable, as they are less likely to fall apart in that timespan, and so I'd be more willing to give those up for the right player or to move up in the draft in a significant way. I'd be more hesitant parting with 2026 picks and beyond, but still, picks are meant to be used one way or another.

Bingo. When is Mitchell a FA? In 25? If so, trade the Cleveland pick over the Minny pick because Mitchell will want to get paid.

Actually, Mitchell could walk or force his way to New York. But even before they got him they were pretty good so with Garland, Allen and the continued improvement of Mobley their pick at that time will still probably not be in the lottery.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #302 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:30 pm

Did the Wizards GM just redeem himself after several bad trades, or is the final straw on the proverbial camel's back?

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Post #303 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:38 pm

That looks like a good deal, good for them. I also didn't have a problem with the Beal trade, as they were limited by what they could get because of the no-trade clause. They managed to get out of that contract which is win in itself, and did right by Beal who stood by the Wizards for years instead of asking out years ago.

They also got something back for an expiring Porzingis who was very close to either walk for nothing or "force" them to give him a long-term deal, so I don't think they did a bad job. They managed to clear a lot of salary and can now start rebuilding with a lot of cap space.

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Skybox · Post #304 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:09 am

I'd like to think Fultz is now available...he's a lot like Black, maybe a better penetrator, perhaps not on the same level defensively as Black...but surely too similar to keep both.

Want him? I'd happily swap Fultz for Agbaji as ORL didn't address our most glaring need a shooting guard who can shoot. You can add in Olynk or Gay if you don't want to take on all the salary without giving some back.

AingesBurner · Post #305 » by **AingesBurner** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:33 am

Skybox wrote:I'd like to think Fultz is now available...he's a lot like Black, maybe a better penetrator, perhaps not on the same level defensively as Black...but surely too similar to keep both.

Want him? I'd happily swap Fultz for Agbaji as ORL didn't address our most glaring need a shooting guard who can shoot. You can add in Olynk or Gay if you don't want to take on all the salary without giving some back.

George probably will provide what Fultz does.

Skybox · Post #306 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:20 am

AingesBurner wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'd like to think Fultz is now available...he's a lot like Black, maybe a better penetrator, perhaps not on the same level defensively as Black...but surely too similar to keep both.

Want him? I'd happily swap Fultz for Agbaji as ORL didn't address our most glaring need a shooting guard who can shoot. You can add in Olynk or Gay if you don't want to take on all the salary without giving some back.

George probably will provide what Fultz does.

Those guys look nothing alike to me. George could be really great (or horribly inefficient), but I don’t see him handling the ball and running an offense ( other than his own :lol:

) like Fultz can.

Post #307 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 1:40 pm

Skybox wrote:I'd like to think Fultz is now available...he's a lot like Black, maybe a better penetrator, perhaps not on the same level defensively as Black...but surely too similar to keep both.

Want him? I'd happily swap Fultz for Agbaji as ORL didn't address our most glaring need a shooting guard who can shoot. You can add in Olynk or Gay if you don't want to take on all the salary without giving some back.

I'd probably pass on Fultz. One of the reasons is that we still don't know what the Jazz are aiming to do next season, and the most recent comments by JZ (our GM) indicate that we're still not looking to compete, and Fultz's contract situation (will be expiring next season).

I wonder what is the Magic fans' opinion of Suggs, and if you'll be willing to part with him (and for what return). It doesn't look like he's panning out, you'll have to pay him soon, and there is a redundancy with Fultz and now Black.

Skybox · Post #308 » by **Skybox** » Sat Jun 24, 2023 2:25 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'd like to think Fultz is now available...he's a lot like Black, maybe a better penetrator, perhaps not on the same level defensively as Black...but surely too similar to keep both.

Want him? I'd happily swap Fultz for Agbaji as ORL didn't address our most glaring need a shooting guard who can shoot. You can add in Olynk or Gay if you don't want to take on all the salary without giving some back.

I'd probably pass on Fultz. One of the reasons is that we still don't know what the Jazz are aiming to do next season, and the most recent comments by JZ (our GM) indicate that we're still not looking to compete, and Fultz's contract situation (will be expiring next season).

I wonder what is the Magic fans' opinion of Suggs, and if you'll be willing to part with him (and for what return). It doesn't look like he's panning out, you'll have to pay him soon, and there is a redundancy with Fultz and now Black.

Suggs is almost universally loved in ORL...killer intensity and leadership intangibles, elite defense already. His offense has been lacking and he's clearly not close to being a real PG (yet?)...much more of a combo guard like M. Smart. I think, ideally, he's playing next to a Simons or Poole or Iverson type...who can dominate the ball but need help with some ball handling, open shots, and defensive assignments. His shooting improved dramatically last season and, if it continues even a bit, he's a solid starter as a combo guard. With the addition of Black, it's kind of a weird fit as neither looks like a BIG scorer or floor spreader and we need that to open things up for Franz and Paolo inside, IMO. I'm happy with Suggs off the bench, but it's not clear what his role would be as a starter. I could see him being traded, but only because ORL would expect significant value back - way beyond his stats. That might not be a viable plan, I understand, so he's probably staying...most consider him #3 valued guy after Banchero and Franz. No real redundancy, just not a very good fit with Black. Black and Fultz just should not be on the same team, IMO.

D Rog · Post #309 » by **D Rog** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:57 pm

WOJ BOMB - Jazz get John Collins for a 2nd round pick and Rudy Gay.

Wish they would have picked up Dejounte Murray as well

ForeverRDjazz · Post #310 » by **ForeverRDjazz** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:34 pm

This is the tricky part with a potential John Collins trade, as many teams around the league do not have the ability to add a player making more than $20 million, especially if said player is not in the final year of his contract.

Collins is under contract through the 2024-25 season and then he has a $26.6 million player option for the 2025-26 season, making it very difficult for any team in the league to tie themselves down to him.
Utah cleared space but is this the guy we want or does Utah move him for Luka next year?

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HadAnEffectHere · Post #311 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:36 pm

ForeverRDjazz wrote:This is the tricky part with a potential John Collins trade, as many teams around the league do not have the ability to add a player making more than $20 million, especially if said player is not in the final year of his contract.

Collins is under contract through the 2024-25 season and then he has a $26.6 million player option for the 2025-26 season, making it very difficult for any team in the league to tie themselves down to him.
Utah cleared space but is this the guy we want or does Utah move him for Luka next year?

There is like no chance whatsoever we outbid the Thunder for Luka, Jazz fans need to kill this discussion now.

How are the Jazz beating

Giddey, Dort, Jaylen Williams, 8 firsts for Luka

They aren't obviously.

Dallas and OKC are the only possible teams Luka will play for in the next five years.

pickIBL · Post #312 » by **pickIBL** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:45 pm

Is Jaylen Brown on the block??

Post #313 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:55 pm

Jazz wanted to go after Porzingis.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272131/Kristaps-Porzingis-Preferred-Ending-Up-With-Celtics-Amid-Strong-Interest-From-Jazz

I'm glad it didn't happen. Don't like the fit.

pickIBL · Post #314 » by **pickIBL** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:13 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Jazz wanted to go after Porzingis.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272131/Kristaps-Porzingis-Preferred-Ending-Up-With-Celtics-Amid-Strong-Interest-From-Jazz

I'm glad it didn't happen. Don't like the fit.

It is a bad fit. Jaylen brown... different story if he's available

Wolverine · Post #315 » by **Wolverine** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:19 am

Ainge & Lock love Payton Pritchard. Not sure he's what we need tho.

Hoops Addict · Post #316 » by **Hoops Addict** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:43 am

Prichard was awesome when they played him. I wouldnt pay a lot for him though.

CAE15 · Post #317 » by **CAE15** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:48 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
ForeverRDjazz wrote:This is the tricky part with a potential John Collins trade, as many teams around the league do not have the ability to add a player making more than $20 million, especially if said player is not in the final year of his contract.

Collins is under contract through the 2024-25 season and then he has a $26.6 million player option for the 2025-26 season, making it very difficult for any team in the league to tie themselves down to him.
Utah cleared space but is this the guy we want or does Utah move him for Luka next year?

There is like no chance whatsoever we outbid the Thunder for Luka, Jazz fans need to kill this discussion now.

How are the Jazz beating

Giddey, Dort, Jaylen Williams, 8 firsts for Luka

They aren't obviously.

Dallas and OKC are the only possible teams Luka will play for in the next five years.

Jazz have much more valuable picks than OKC. OKC has a bunch of mid round picks. Yes, they have a couple of valuable rockets picks but that's really it. The rest of their picks are mostly good teams picks. Jazz have unprotected future firsts. It would depend on what the mavs were looking for in a return and call me crazy but if Luka is choosing between OKC and Salt Lake City..I think we have a reasonable chance to beat out OKC here..Any superstar that comes available the jazz and thunder will have the first bite, assuming that player is okay with playing in those places

AingesBurner · Post #318 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:45 pm

So Garland is available, not sure how we would get him BUT acquiring him this season allows Utah to get Luka next season.

Post #319 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:00 pm

AingesBurner wrote:So Garland is available, not sure how we would get him BUT acquiring him this season allows Utah to get Luka next season.

Source?

AingesBurner · Post #320 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:06 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:So Garland is available, not sure how we would get him BUT acquiring him this season allows Utah to get Luka next season.

Source?

It’s being disputed but Amico said he was available and Windhorst said to keep an eye on Cleveland, but Cleveland media is saying he is not. I’d almost have to go with Windy and Amico because of the Jazz trades from last year. Those were from left field.