The Anthony Black Thread

[jayrehme]

I think Black will have a better shooting rookie year than Suggs(low bar, I know)

Hell probably have a better shooting year then the sacred Scoot as well. Shooting is the ONLY knock on him and it isn't even all that bad, great pick! I love we are getting high IQ passers and defenders.

[eyriq]

What is his path to 1st team all rookie honors?

[Petre1978]

I think Black will have a better shooting rookie year than Suggs(low bar, I know)

Hell probably have a better shooting year then the sacred Scoot as well. Shooting is the ONLY knock on him and it isn't even all that bad, great pick! I love we are getting high IQ passers and defenders.

I like your way of thinking.

People bashing Black but than they want Amen or Scoot....

[zaymon]

What is his path to 1st team all rookie honors?

He would propably have to win the starting spot and make 5+ rebounds and assists, 10+ points

[Skybox]

What is his path to 1st team all rookie honors?

Honestly, moving Fultz out of his way and giving him the ball. I don't know if he's ready but that'd be the likeliest route to that kind of recognition. Also, guys hitting the 3's he sets them up for would help...Howard at SG would be helpful as well as Suggs continued shooting improvement. Franz, IMO, needs to lessen the pump fakes and just pull up...he's got a sweet jumper and could put more easy points on the board as well as open things up inside for Paolo, WCJ, and himself if he ups the 3pt threat. I believed this to be true before Black and it's more critical with him.

[PrimeThyme]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

[eyriq]

What is his path to 1st team all rookie honors?

He would propably have to win the starting spot and make 5+ rebounds and assists, 10+ points

Yeah, this makes sense. Giddey was 2nd team with 13/8/6 on 42/26/71 shooting in 32 mpg.

[flying_mollusk]

Here is how I have looked at this pick. If in 2021 we had drafted Giddey instead of Suggs and then drafted Franz, this board would have exploded in rage. But that would have been the right pick and Weham would enter pantheon territory. Giddey is Black’s comp and what we hope and think he will be.

Clearly this was a BPA high upside pick. Yes shooting is a concern, but we have to hope everything just works out.

[JBSouthpaw]

What is his path to 1st team all rookie honors?

He would propably have to win the starting spot and make 5+ rebounds and assists, 10+ points

Most likely, 1st team is usually starting rookies, though not always.
IF he can impact the game like Mathurin did last year from the bench, he'll have a shot.
with the roster right now, I'm hoping he gets 22MPG.

[[whistler]]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

The biggest problem with Payton (IMO) was that he just didn't put in enough effort to improve. I think he had the capability and tools, but it seemed like he didn't care. I don't see that as a problem with Black as all reports say his will to improve and being a hard worker is one of his biggest strengths.

[Petre1978]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

THANK YOU! Finally someone gets it.

[thelead]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

The biggest problem with Payton (IMO) was that he just didn't put in enough effort to improve. I think he had the capability and tools, but it seemed like he didn't care. I don't see that as a problem with Black as all reports say his will to improve and being a hard worker is one of his biggest strengths.

Not sure about Elf but Black supposedly played 4 sports (4 star HS football recruit) and went to High School? Kid is definitely not lazy. Can’t wait to see how this all plays out.

[Residual-Heat]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

Add to that Payton shot 0% from 3 and 56% from the FT line in his first year in college compared to 30/70 for Black. Black in one year in college made 28 threes, Elfrid made 30 threes in 3 years.

[[whistler]]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

The biggest problem with Payton (IMO) was that he just didn't put in enough effort to improve. I think he had the capability and tools, but it seemed like he didn't care. I don't see that as a problem with Black as all reports say his will to improve and being a hard worker is one of his biggest strengths.

Not sure about Elf but Black supposedly played 4 sports (4 star HS football recruit) and went to High School? Kid is definitely not lazy. Can’t wait to see how this all plays out.

With Payton I think many took exception to him not cutting his hair even though it was clearly flopping in his face during shots at times. It was a sign he wasn't doing everything he could to improve his game if he didn't even want to cut his hair. For me though it was one of those off-season interviews he had, he just seemed so disinterested.

[VFX]

Black is comparable to Giddey in size, playmaking, and vision. He’s less proficient in passing but more proficient defensively.

I know a lot of people were very high on Giddey, so I’m not too sure why people aren’t higher on Black.

The pick will be a home run when the FO figures out how to balance the roster.

Black is nothing like EP. He’s an elite prospect with crazy athleticism and size for his position.

[basketballRob]

Black is a guard, and Giddey is a forward.

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[IllMagic04]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

Agree. I think MCW is a better comparison. I think Black could be a little better defensivly. MCW played that Syracuse zone in college so Black is further along there IMO.

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[VFX]

Black is a guard, and Giddey is a forward.

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Giddey is a forward with guard skills that can’t guard other forwards.

Black is a guard with the size of a forward that can guard everyone.

[VFX]

Comparing Black to Elfird Payton is one of the most baseless lazy draft comparisons I have seen in a long time. This comparison isn't remotely used outside of our fanbase.

Elfrid Payton played 3 years of college basketball at a small school before entering the draft, averaged 7 points without attempting a 3 as a freshman, and was a 6'3 guard when he came out.

Black was an SEC-All Freshman who started every game leading the conference in minutes, averaged 12 && 4 with a high FTR, and is nearly 6'8 at the ripe age of 19. His feel, motor, intensity, measurables, and ceiling are drastically higher than Elf's ever were. NBA people were all in on this guy and he would not have fallen past 8.

I get there is PTSD with Elfird and his haircut, but we have to do better.

Agree. I think MCW is a better comparison. I think Black could be a little better defensivly. MCW played that Syracuse zone in college so Black is further along there IMO.

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MCW is running a half court offense like Black and isn’t big enough to guard forwards like him either. AB his 2-3” on him and about 20lbs heavier as a rookie.

[J the Drafter]

People choose to only remember the Elfrid of his last few months here, where his sore knee slowed him down. Prior to that time he did everything you could ask for in a point guard offensively except shoot.

On defense, he was never comfortable navigating screens. Performance-wise, he took a few months every season to reach his triple-double-dropping peak.

But man, the second news about his knee dropped and his performance faltered, people began acting like he’d been bad all along.

Tl;dr, Payton’s problem was that he was playing on an injured knee during WeltHam’s evaluation year.