2023 Off-season Thread

[Mirotic12]

Let me clarify. The 4 years $18 million contract that Olympiacos offered to Vezenkov was in gross terms (before taxes and agent fees), and converted to US dollars from Euros. I went ahead and changed it to how the NBA counts it (gross and in USD), so that it wouldn't be confusing since in Europe, yes they list the contracts in net terms. That's usually confusing to NBA fans.

So it would just be like 4 years and $18 million in the NBA. Or more exactly, it would convert to something like 4 years $18.4 million in the NBA.

Ah I see. Makes sense now. Sounds like Kings are offering around 3M more so I hope Vezenkov accepts it. I think it's a good deal for both sides.

I should probably also say that contract Olympiacos offered him probably wouldn't be like a ceiling offer or anything. I am sure they could offer him a lot more if they wanted to. In the past, guys like Josh Childress, Theo Papaloukas, and Vassilis Spanoulis have gotten far larger contracts than that from Olympiacos. In today's terms (with inflation), Childress got what would be around $12 million a season today from Olympiacos, and Spanoulis got what in today's terms would be well over $10 million a season from Olympiacos.

So it really depends on what they think Vezenkov is worth. But if they wanted to, they could still greatly up that offer.

[sunsbg]

Let me clarify. The 4 years $18 million contract that Olympiacos offered to Vezenkov was in gross terms (before taxes and agent fees), and converted to US dollars from Euros. I went ahead and changed it to how the NBA counts it (gross and in USD), so that it wouldn't be confusing since in Europe, yes they list the contracts in net terms. That's usually confusing to NBA fans.

So it would just be like 4 years and $18 million in the NBA. Or more exactly, it would convert to something like 4 years $18.4 million in the NBA.

Ah I see. Makes sense now. Sounds like Kings are offering around 3M more so I hope Vezenkov accepts it. I think it's a good deal for both sides.

I should probably also say that contract Olympiacos offered him probably wouldn't be like a ceiling offer or anything. I am sure they could offer him a lot more if they wanted to. In the past, guys like Josh Childress, Theo Papaloukas, and Vassilis Spanoulis have gotten far larger contracts than that from Olympiacos. In today's terms (with inflation), Childress got what would be around $12 million a season today from Olympiacos, and Spanoulis got what in today's terms would be well over $10 million a season from Olympiacos.

So it really depends on what they think Vezenkov is worth. But if they wanted to, they could still greatly up that offer.

I remember Childress playing in Europe, but haven't actually watched games. You probably did. Just going by the EL stats (12.4ppg) doesn't look like he dominated while being paid so much. US fans assume players like him and Lyles will automatically win EL MVP. But it's a different style of game. How do you think Sasha's game translates to NBA ?

[Mirotic12]

I remember Childress playing in Europe, but haven't actually watched games. You probably did. Just going by the EL stats (12.4ppg) doesn't look like he dominated while being paid so much. US fans assume players like him and Lyles will automatically win EL MVP. But it's a different style of game. How do you think Sasha's game translates to NBA ?

Childress was the biggest bust of all time in EuroLeague. Olympiacos wanted out of his contract already after he just played like 5 games with them. His whole signing was a colossal disaster.

Vezenkov is a way better player, by a long way than Childress for starters. As far as his game translating to the NBA, I think it does just fine, as long as he is used the right way. He's a 100% pure stretch the floor power forward. So if a team uses him just that way on offense, he should be fine. I mean he's probably around 6-10 to maybe even 6-11 in shoes, and he's a lights out 3 point shooter, with basically unlimited shooting range. So if an NBA team just used him properly on offense, I see zero reason why he could not be a very good shooting weapon in the NBA.

As far as defense goes, he is an awful defender and can't really guard any decent offensive small forward or power forward in EuroLeague. But defense and physical play is so much more stressed and intense in EuroLeague than it is in the NBA, because of the different rules, court size, and the different criteria that the refs use to officiate the games. So while he's really bad on defense and can struggle a lot against physical opponents, it won't be nearly as brutal in the NBA. Because the NBA has so much more open space in the game (open lane, defensive 3 seconds, bigger court), and so much less physical play (refs allow way less contact than in EuroLeague). So although defense is a problem, it will be less exaggerated under an NBA rules setting, as opposed to a FIBA rules setting.

I am trying to think of a good NBA / Euro comparison, and it's hard to come up with one. Maybe something like Mirza Teletovic or Davis Bertans, only definitely better than either of them.

[BoogieTime]

This is the problem with Keegan’s one dimensional season, he’s as of now (forever?) going to be pigeon holed as a SF as a tweener with the rebounding/rim protecting chops, or lack there of, displayed. Particularly next to Domas

It necessitates now getting rim protection help with Sabonis, which prioritizes potentially someone like Naz to wings IMO

[codydaze]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

[OxAndFox]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

Can't say I'm disappointed. Was hoping he would stay available though.

[BoogieTime]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

That was one of the more interesting options for me, if he could play with Domas. Now I guess most options are smaller wings

Spending big on a SF, keeping Keegan at 4, and doing little with one of the league’s worst interior defenses may improve the team moderately depending on who we get. But I think helping Domas in the paint is a higher priority than improving on whatever Barnes was doing

But it looks like that may be the direction, so need Keegan to improve sizably on his toughness if he’s staying at that position

[LightTheBeam]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

Can't say I'm disappointed. Was hoping he would stay available though.

Ya I gotta say, I was skeptical about him as well.. I really thought he was due to make more than that. At that price I would have been super happy to sign him, then throw the rest of the money at Josh Hart. If Hart turned us down we probably still coulda got Kuzma (don't see him sniffing 30).

It's a bit of a disappointment, but I'd imagine he wasn't a priority for Monte given that we coulda easily beat that offer and even potentially offered a starting gig. And that certainly would have gotten back to his agent.

[OxAndFox]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

Can't say I'm disappointed. Was hoping he would stay available though.

Ya I gotta say, I was skeptical about him as well.. I really thought he was due to make more than that. At that price I would have been super happy to sign him, then throw the rest of the money at Josh Hart. If Hart turned us down we probably still coulda got Kuzma (don't see him sniffing 30).

It's a bit of a disappointment, but I'd imagine he wasn't a priority for Monte given that we coulda easily beat that offer and even potentially offered a starting gig. And that certainly would have gotten back to his agent.

I definitely think the Kings can overpay for Hart.
With him being in New York with Brunson I haven't really thought it would be a chance he leaves. Not sure about all the aspects of the deal to extend his option date, but it might just leave the door ajar for a team to swoop in.

He's not a better player than OG, but he would be a far better addition for Sacramento IMO.
$20m extension v $30m extension
$0 to acquire v multiple draft picks/players
Happy with a backseat role on offense v wanting to be a priority on offense

[KF10]

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[donkeylips]

if that was the cost for collins, i was hoping the kings would get him.

[wco81]

What are the Kings doing with their own UFAs?

Would they sign some of them into that cap space or try to acquire some free agents from other teams first and then go over the cap for some of those UFAs with various cap holds?


I also heard that teams like the Rockets, even though they're not in a position where a big free agent would make them playoffs team, have to spend because of some minimum amount required under the new CBA?

They have a lot of guys on rookie deals but they're going to have to decided whether to pay some of them next season and they were FRPs, including high lotto picks like Green so extensions won't be cheap.

[City of Trees]

If I'm the Kings I make an offer to PJ Washington the Hornets can't match. He fits the timeline and appears to have the traits Monte is looking for.

[OGSactownballer]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

That was one of the more interesting options for me, if he could play with Domas. Now I guess most options are smaller wings

Spending big on a SF, keeping Keegan at 4, and doing little with one of the league’s worst interior defenses may improve the team moderately depending on who we get. But I think helping Domas in the paint is a higher priority than improving on whatever Barnes was doing

But it looks like that may be the direction, so need Keegan to improve sizably on his toughness if he’s staying at that position

Here is something you and I agree on.

I don’t know what playoff series everyone else was watching this spring, but I watched our j my viable big and team key player get abused by two bugs with no other physical presence to help free him up and should we the burden.

We ended up abused by an undersized team physically. And everyone is getting bigger - even the “wings”.

I am sick and tired of hearing how we need to chase a bunch of 6’5” - 6’7” super guards only to find that when it comes playoff time, big long teams still dominate.

We need a starting caliber PF with size and the ability to shoot to compliment Domas and cover our deficiencies defensively in the paint. Then the perimeter can be either improved organically with the growing young guys we have or be addressed through signings.

But the interior is the priority right now.

[OGSactownballer]

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So ultimately we are the ONLY potential contender (depending on FA) that has that kind of money available.

Not gonna lie, it’s a little weird to be the desirable place for players wanting to potentially get a ring and having the money to pay them to come.

[BoogieTime]

Naz Reid back to the Wolves for 3 years, $42 million so there that idea goes.

That was one of the more interesting options for me, if he could play with Domas. Now I guess most options are smaller wings

Spending big on a SF, keeping Keegan at 4, and doing little with one of the league’s worst interior defenses may improve the team moderately depending on who we get. But I think helping Domas in the paint is a higher priority than improving on whatever Barnes was doing

But it looks like that may be the direction, so need Keegan to improve sizably on his toughness if he’s staying at that position

Here is something you and I agree on.

I don’t know what playoff series everyone else was watching this spring, but I watched our j my viable big and team key player get abused by two bugs with no other physical presence to help free him up and should we the burden.

We ended up abused by an undersized team physically. And everyone is getting bigger - even the “wings”.

I am sick and tired of hearing how we need to chase a bunch of 6’5” - 6’7” super guards only to find that when it comes playoff time, big long teams still dominate.

We need a starting caliber PF with size and the ability to shoot to compliment Domas and cover our deficiencies defensively in the paint. Then the perimeter can be either improved organically with the growing young guys we have or be addressed through signings.

But the interior is the priority right now.

Yeah, I mean the lion’s portion of our bad defense is for me our bottom feeding paint defense.

I’m not sure how spending our cap on an elite defensive sg/sf is going to turn that tide.

The options are slim though now, unfortunately.

[BeiBeau]

Hey Kings. I just wanted to get a read in Holmes defensively. I know what he can do offensively but don’t watch him enough to get the best read on his defense.

So how would he classify? Terrible, negative, neutral, positive?

Congrats on the great season last year by the way.

[blind prophet]

Hey Kings. I just wanted to get a read in Holmes defensively. I know what he can do offensively but don’t watch him enough to get the best read on his defense.

So how would he classify? Terrible, negative, neutral, positive?

Congrats on the great season last year by the way.

He is pretty mobile, Mobile Holmes!

But he can switch fairly well on the perimeter. I'd say that is his strength. Decent help shot blocker from the weak side.

Otherwise I'd say he is generally meh.

[BeiBeau]

Hey Kings. I just wanted to get a read in Holmes defensively. I know what he can do offensively but don’t watch him enough to get the best read on his defense.

So how would he classify? Terrible, negative, neutral, positive?

Congrats on the great season last year by the way.

He is pretty mobile, Mobile Holmes!

But he can switch fairly well on the perimeter. I'd say that is his strength. Decent help shot blocker from the weak side.

Otherwise I'd say he is generally meh.

Sounds like not negative?

Kidd loves a switchable 5

[blind prophet]

Hey Kings. I just wanted to get a read in Holmes defensively. I know what he can do offensively but don’t watch him enough to get the best read on his defense.

So how would he classify? Terrible, negative, neutral, positive?

Congrats on the great season last year by the way.

He is pretty mobile, Mobile Holmes!

But he can switch fairly well on the perimeter. I'd say that is his strength. Decent help shot blocker from the weak side.

Otherwise I'd say he is generally meh.

Sounds like not negative?

Kidd loves a switchable 5

He has to get back into form from like 2-3 years ago. So I hope he is still good at the things I mentioned, I'd assume he would be. He's not old or getting over a bad injury.

Decent rebounder.

But not a negative defensive player at all. When he started here a few years ago the team defense was terrible too.