Around The League 2022-2023 season

[basketballRob]

Lonzo already ruled out for next season.

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[pepe1991]

Lonzo already ruled out for next season.

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It's safe to assume his career is over.

Crazy. That 2017 draft is brutal
1# - bust/role player / broken
2# broken
3# superstar
4# bust
5# allstar
6# broken
7# allstar
8# bust
9#bust
10# bust/broken
11# role player
12# role player
13# allstar
14 # allstar

5 allstars, 3 medically broken players. So little middle ground.

[Bensational]

Lonzo already ruled out for next season.

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It's safe to assume his career is over.

Crazy. That 2017 draft is brutal
1# - burgeoning allstar
2# broken
3# superstar
4# bust
5# allstar
6# broken
7# allstar
8# bust
9#bust
10# bust/broken
11# role player
12# role player
13# allstar
14 # allstar

5 allstars, 3 medically broken players. So little middle ground.

FIFY

[basketballRob]

https://youtube.com/shorts/p7fmb9aNUC4?feature=share4

[Optimus_Steel]

Can someone explain to me how a 6'2 guy that can't shoot, as in an absolutely awful shooter in a professional setting way, get drafted #3? Legitimate question.

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[thelead]

Can someone explain to me how a 6'2 guy that can't shoot, as in an absolutely awful shooter in a professional setting way, get drafted #3? Legitimate question.

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Derrick Rose was an MVP and shot 22% from deep as a rookie…. And was an MVP 2 years after that season.

BTW, this is why I preach patience with Suggs. 21% to 33% from year 1 to year 2. These guys are young. They need time.

Nothing is ever guaranteed.

[HighPack]

The Pistons have placed R.J. Hampton on waivers.

[drsd]

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[Redwood]

Lonzo already ruled out for next season.

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It's safe to assume his career is over.

Crazy. That 2017 draft is brutal
1# - bust/role player / broken
2# broken
3# superstar
4# bust
5# allstar
6# broken
7# allstar
8# bust
9#bust
10# bust/broken
11# role player
12# role player
13# allstar
14 # allstar

5 allstars, 3 medically broken players. So little middle ground.

It seems to me that players today get hurt much more frequently than they did in prior era's. I've felt for awhile that players in those days cared more about the game and took it much more seriously, whereas many players today care more about the lifestyle of an NBA player than the game itself. Former players probably got injured just as frequently but played through it because they had more respect for the game and cared more about winning and competing. I could be wrong but this is how I see it and I think certain signs like so many players mindlessly jacking up 3's all night, virtually nobody even trying on defense, kind of confirms it a bit.

[tiderulz]

Lonzo already ruled out for next season.

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It's safe to assume his career is over.

Crazy. That 2017 draft is brutal
1# - bust/role player / broken
2# broken
3# superstar
4# bust
5# allstar
6# broken
7# allstar
8# bust
9#bust
10# bust/broken
11# role player
12# role player
13# allstar
14 # allstar

5 allstars, 3 medically broken players. So little middle ground.

It seems to me that players today get hurt much more frequently than they did in prior era's. I've felt for awhile that players in those days cared more about the game and took it much more seriously, whereas many players today care more about the lifestyle of an NBA player than the game itself. Former players probably got injured just as frequently but played through it because they had more respect for the game and cared more about winning and competing. I could be wrong but this is how I see it and I think certain signs like so many players mindlessly jacking up 3's all night, virtually nobody even trying on defense, kind of confirms it a bit.

ehh, i think older players also took more time off. They didnt play AAU ball , tournament, this league, that league, etc, etc. Many of the greats even started playing other sports. i dont agree on the "respect for the game" angle. and playing injured can cause more issues. taking care of your body isnt disrespecting the game.

[SOUL]

Older players (80s-early 2000s) were probably partying more and doing more drugs tbh. Every era will only have a select few of those insanely self driven players though.

The game is much more "physical" in terms of the athletes that exist (not in like hard fouls/hand-checking defense ways), freakishly tall people are moving in ways people just didn't move even 20 years ago. It's like pitchers in baseball throwing harder than ever. You can't get away with an Ostertag or Oliver Miller or Adonal Foyle or Bryant Reeves or Eddy Curry level body type anymore.. basically unless you're a supreme talent like Zion or Jokic (from years ago).

It's a two-fold issue though - people may be working out too hard, playing too much basketball which causes more wear and tear, but players will sit out because the data tells them it's smart to.

On one hand, it can help in performance but it's frustrating for the fans, so I get it. But I do hear stories about older guys and how, I think like Thibs was just brutalizing Yao/Rockets in practice and Yao was so prideful that he took part in every drill, even the ones that the rookies did, and Yao already had foot problems before coming to the NBA and their coaching staff just speedran retirement for him. Lot of stories of guys playing through injuries or not being smart about their own health.

On the flip side, some of these guys certainly can play through a broken finger on the off-hand or a tooth getting knocked out or something.

[tiderulz]

Older players (80s-early 2000s) were probably partying more and doing more drugs tbh. Every era will only have a select few of those insanely self driven players though.

The game is much more "physical" in terms of the athletes that exist (not in like hard fouls/hand-checking defense ways), freakishly tall people are moving in ways people just didn't move even 20 years ago. It's like pitchers in baseball throwing harder than ever. You can't get away with an Ostertag or Oliver Miller or Adonal Foyle or Bryant Reeves or Eddy Curry level body type anymore.. basically unless you're a supreme talent like Zion or Jokic (from years ago).

It's a two-fold issue though - people may be working out too hard, playing too much basketball which causes more wear and tear, but players will sit out because the data tells them it's smart to.

On one hand, it can help in performance but it's frustrating for the fans, so I get it. But I do hear stories about older guys and how, I think like Thibs was just brutalizing Yao/Rockets in practice and Yao was so prideful that he took part in every drill, even the ones that the rookies did, and Yao already had foot problems before coming to the NBA and their coaching staff just speedran retirement for him. Lot of stories of guys playing through injuries or not being smart about their own health.

On the flip side, some of these guys certainly can play through a broken finger on the off-hand or a tooth getting knocked out or something.

yeah, Grant got his head stepped on by Embiid and took what, 2 mins out and was back in.

[Skybox]

RE: injuries...players were always injured, they're just a lot more "empowered" now to not play through them and make them worse. I'm not saying they're soft today (which is a common "old man yelling at clouds" thing AND somewhat true) but the players do have a lot more power to say "I'm not 100% and I've got to protect myself". I was a BOS fan back in the day and it was more than routine to see Bird, McHale, or Parrish to literally limp onto the floor...players like that got a ton of mythical status for that stuff but probably all have fused ankles and artificial knees almost instantly after retirement...it's a mixed debate. I know Ballmer won't say anything publicly, but how do you think he feels about Kawhi and Paul George right now? Just wait until they waltz in next year to discuss their "obvious" max extensions. He's kind of over a barrel with a new arena coming online...two superstars on the bench at least give you a dash of hope. But, man, they've done NOTHING and SGA is a young MVP candidate in OKC.

[pepe1991]

In past not playing was taboo. Shameful. Now guys make max money and show up for 30 games and hide behind bull*** excuses like "mental problems" (Ben Simmons).

Lillard pulled minimum games played to get award twice in two years now

[Optimus_Steel]

The Pistons have placed R.J. Hampton on waivers.

That's not surprising whatsoever.

[Redwood]

It's safe to assume his career is over.

Crazy. That 2017 draft is brutal
1# - bust/role player / broken
2# broken
3# superstar
4# bust
5# allstar
6# broken
7# allstar
8# bust
9#bust
10# bust/broken
11# role player
12# role player
13# allstar
14 # allstar

5 allstars, 3 medically broken players. So little middle ground.

It seems to me that players today get hurt much more frequently than they did in prior era's. I've felt for awhile that players in those days cared more about the game and took it much more seriously, whereas many players today care more about the lifestyle of an NBA player than the game itself. Former players probably got injured just as frequently but played through it because they had more respect for the game and cared more about winning and competing. I could be wrong but this is how I see it and I think certain signs like so many players mindlessly jacking up 3's all night, virtually nobody even trying on defense, kind of confirms it a bit.

ehh, i think older players also took more time off. They didnt play AAU ball , tournament, this league, that league, etc, etc. Many of the greats even started playing other sports. i dont agree on the "respect for the game" angle. and playing injured can cause more issues. taking care of your body isnt disrespecting the game.

When I say respecting the game I mean playing it the right way. This may be in subjective territory but I believe it's designed to be played a certain way and it no longer is. The fundamental design of basketball is to get your teammate the highest percentage shot possible, and then do everything you can to stop the opposing team from doing the same. That's literally the entire game of basketball. We no longer have that. We have 3 after 3 after 3, many of them with over 20 seconds left on the shot clock, hand in their face. No ball movement, no offensive set, just me against the world basketball (And 1 started all this garbage). And as I previously mentioned, ZERO defense. Defense is mostly effort related, it's how you know the compete level someone has, it's also a pride issue. So in this sense we're not talking about subjective here, as it relates to defense, because it's objectively awful in the league and has been for quite some time. Playing defense the way players do today would've had your ass sitting on the bench in any other era, today it's accepted and the norm. This is the compete level I'm talking about, it doesn't piss people off enough to get scored on and it shows.

Michael Jordan wasn't known as a "nice" teammate. He was competitive as hell and if your effort level wasn't up to his he was going to let you know about it. He was obsessed with winning and wasn't going to give anyone the satisfaction of beating him, or scoring on him, without putting them through hell to have to earn it. You don't have to be the greatest player of all time to have a high compete level, anyone can do it. You just have to have respect for the game, the fans in the stands who make less than 1 percent what you do yet still pay to watch you play, pride, effort, and be willing to study film endlessly to know your opponent inside and out. I just don't see those things. I see players caring more about showing their goofy fashion, being okay with giving up 140 in regulation, and sitting on the bench half the season.

edit: And I forgot to mention, modern day players get paid FAR more. The difference is obscene between now and any other era. Probably part of the problem. Jordan didn't make 30m or so until his last few years. Look how many players, who aren't 1/10th of what he was, make that today. The army of players making 15+, which was superstar money back then, yet goes to guys like Fournier and Bamba (almost) today. People talking about Fultz "deserving" 20m+. Good lord, what an odd era this is.

[tiderulz]

It seems to me that players today get hurt much more frequently than they did in prior era's. I've felt for awhile that players in those days cared more about the game and took it much more seriously, whereas many players today care more about the lifestyle of an NBA player than the game itself. Former players probably got injured just as frequently but played through it because they had more respect for the game and cared more about winning and competing. I could be wrong but this is how I see it and I think certain signs like so many players mindlessly jacking up 3's all night, virtually nobody even trying on defense, kind of confirms it a bit.

ehh, i think older players also took more time off. They didnt play AAU ball , tournament, this league, that league, etc, etc. Many of the greats even started playing other sports. i dont agree on the "respect for the game" angle. and playing injured can cause more issues. taking care of your body isnt disrespecting the game.

When I say respecting the game I mean playing it the right way. This may be in subjective territory but I believe it's designed to be played a certain way and it no longer is. The fundamental design of basketball is to get your teammate the highest percentage shot possible, and then do everything you can to stop the opposing team from doing the same. That's literally the entire game of basketball. We no longer have that. We have 3 after 3 after 3, many of them with over 20 seconds left on the shot clock, hand in their face. No ball movement, no offensive set, just me against the world basketball (And 1 started all this garbage). And as I previously mentioned, ZERO defense. Defense is mostly effort related, it's how you know the compete level someone has, it's also a pride issue. So in this sense we're not talking about subjective here, as it relates to defense, because it's objectively awful in the league and has been for quite some time. Playing defense the way players do today would've had your ass sitting on the bench in any other era, today it's accepted and the norm. This is the compete level I'm talking about, it doesn't piss people off enough to get scored on and it shows.

Michael Jordan wasn't known as a "nice" teammate. He was competitive as hell and if your effort level wasn't up to his he was going to let you know about it. He was obsessed with winning and wasn't going to give anyone the satisfaction of beating him, or scoring on him, without putting them through hell to have to earn it. You don't have to be the greatest player of all time to have a high compete level, anyone can do it. You just have to have respect for the game, the fans in the stands who make less than 1 percent what you do yet still pay to watch you play, pride, effort, and be willing to study film endlessly to know your opponent inside and out. I just don't see those things. I see players caring more about showing their goofy fashion, being okay with giving up 140 in regulation, and sitting on the bench half the season.

edit: And I forgot to mention, modern day players get paid FAR more. The difference is obscene between now and any other era. Probably part of the problem. Jordan didn't make 30m or so until his last few years. Look how many players, who aren't 1/10th of what he was, make that today. The army of players making 15+, which was superstar money back then, yet goes to guys like Fournier and Bamba (almost) today. People talking about Fultz "deserving" 20m+. Good lord, what an odd era this is.

ehh, dont really always agree. Should i go for the best shot, or pass it to a teammate who has the opposing best player on him with 5 fouls? so that we can get him out of the game? so there will be circumstances where you dont always go for the "best shot". and you get in interesting territory when you say, "play it the right way"

[Knightro]

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A pure salary dump by the Hawks.

[Knightro]

I don't think people have fully wrapped their brains around the implications of this new CBA. These sort of pure cap dumps appear to be primed to become the new normal, at least for these next two offseasons.

Young teams will be able to get better really fast by soaking up good players on bad contracts.

[NavalAviator94]

I don't think people have fully wrapped their brains around the implications of this new CBA. These sort of pure cap dumps appear to be primed to become the new normal, at least for these next two offseasons.

Young teams will be able to get better really fast by soaking up good players on bad contracts.

Exactly. I'm not worried about the Magic finding good players. They'll be available when they want to pull the trigger.