The Anthony Black Thread

[Knightro]

You think Fultz would want more?

I’m not sure if that’s a good idea. There doesnt seem to be any interested for him from other teams.

I think there's a 100% chance Markelle Fultz is going to ask for a raise off his current salary, yes.

[fendilim]

You think Fultz would want more?

I’m not sure if that’s a good idea. There doesnt seem to be any interested for him from other teams.

I think there's a 100% chance Markelle Fultz is going to ask for a raise off his current salary, yes.

If he does, let him see his options.

We have leverage with Black now.

[eyriq]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

[Petre1978]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

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[MAGICian619]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

Agree completely however Fultz’s upside is too similar and is now trumped by Black. Cole is proven to be the perfect 6th man/backup PG. The Black/Cole PG rotation seems perfect to move forward with. No issues.

[eyriq]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

Agree completely however Fultz’s upside is too similar and is now trumped by Black. Cole is proven to be the perfect 6th man/backup PG. The Black/Cole PG rotation seems perfect to move forward with. No issues.

Hmm, I'm on board. Knightro's been right the whole time, once again.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

[eyriq]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

There's value in decisiveness. Shows confidence in Black.

[p0peye]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

We've seen enough to make a decision and the fact we drafted Black indicates that.

[yoyojw17]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

We've seen enough to make a decision and the fact we drafted Black indicates that.

With fultz... I would disagree. I still believe the best is yet to come. He played the roll they wanted him too last season....as they assessed Franz and Paolo. The face value he has right now would be doing our team a disservice in my opinion. "Letting him go" as some suggest could lead to some massive regrets as he possibly flourishes elsewhere. To me there is no reason to rush anything. Resign him to a new contract .. and as we get further along black will continue to grow without pressure and maintain true depth for our team. At 6'-7" and ability to defend 1-3 at a high level .... He can play along with Cole as well... As Cole can play off ball too.

What I do think is that with these additions .... I feel like we won't have the biggest desire to fill the SG position in free agency especially if Suggs is showing improvement as well.. If the playoff push is the plan.... I can see them getting a backup center

[tiderulz]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

We've seen enough to make a decision and the fact we drafted Black indicates that.

this is what i was thinking. Howard even intimated it. Many thought a Hendricks/SG would be a pretty perfect draft. The fact that they took a PG at #6, tells me that maybe the front office isnt as hot on Fultz as we all thought.

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[JoshuaPotter]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

I think this is and easy true. Fultz just needed to be able to be above average at two or elite at 1. Draw fouls for points, be an elite pick and roll, or a 3pt shooter. I really do like the rest of his game and think he belongs in the NBA.

Outside of that compared to Cole. Well, Cole does everything well and by proxy is amazing off the bench as a result. But he still lacks the PG mindset. He has made great strides to integrate team first into his game. Can he keep doing that? I don't know. The tools just don't appear to be there.

Yet, in all this typing of mine I forgot to mention. I do not question Fultz has an upside. I question at this point him ever reaching it. It's like watching Trevor Ariza play all over again. Dude had all the tools to be Tracy McGrady but he just "lacked" the dribbling and personality that made McGrady so good.

[zaymon]

I dont know why nobody sees that by drafting Black, we raised the importance of Gary Harris. He is the only guard on the roster who can successfuly play next to Black maybe besides Jett Howard.
Cole Anthony is propably second most important due to his 3 point shot and pnr offense.
Quite opposite from we would think before the draft.
We still have free agency to rock the boat. FVV still makes sense next to Black.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

We've seen enough to make a decision and the fact we drafted Black indicates that.

this is what i was thinking. Howard even intimated it. Many thought a Hendricks/SG would be a pretty perfect draft. The fact that they took a PG at #6, tells me that maybe the front office isnt as hot on Fultz as we all thought.

The knock on Fultz, he can’t shoot. The knock on Black, he can’t shoot. Not exactly sure where we are going with this.

[three3d]

“Quite opposite from we would think before the draft.
We still have free agency to rock the boat. FVV still makes sense next to Black.[/quote]”

FVV ?? Seriously another pg ?? Not to mention he’s 29 and definitely doesn’t fit the time line we was looking at before the awful draft.

[89Magicfan]

Can drafted players get traded right now? How does that work?

[Bensational]

It isn’t going to happen, but trading Fultz is far preferable to trading Anthony for me.

We *know* Anthony can thrive as a 20-25 MPG back up point guard because he literally just did it last year.

I *think* Fultz could thrive as a backup PG as well, but I think it’s going to be a lot harder to move him to that role after two consecutive seasons of being the starting point guard.

Plus I think he’s gonna want a raise off his current salary on top of that.

I think you could sign Cole to 15M AAV right now.

I think it’s gonna cost 25M AAV to retain Fultz. Can you really justify that cost for a player when his replacement already appears to be in house?

I get the logic.

1. Current pay is a baseline for future pay
2. Cole is "proven" as the combo guard off the bench
3. Fultz has more unknowns around fit

It's an interesting case. The one thing that gives me pause is Fultz's upside relative to Cole. I think Fultz has more upside, for various reasons.

Agree completely however Fultz’s upside is too similar and is now trumped by Black. Cole is proven to be the perfect 6th man/backup PG. The Black/Cole PG rotation seems perfect to move forward with. No issues.

Making evaluations like this without seeing a player on the court is silly and could be the kind of move that keeps us trapped as a play-in team if the move doesn’t work.

There’s no rush to make a move. Let’s see what Black’s game looks like on an NBA court before we make plans to clear a path for him by moving other guys.

If we moved Fultz and started Black we’d likely be back in the lottery and knowing this board people would be screaming for us to draft a PG who can shoot to replace Black already.

[J the Drafter]

As I said earlier, I don’t see roster balance as so desirable that I’m willing part with productive players to achieve it. We’d give up tangible assets for…what, exactly? A situation we *presume* will be better? As far as I’m concerned, Coach Mosley should start looking through offensive systems that utilize dual point guards.

[RookieStar]

Why don’t we wait and see how Black fair out before we’re ready to ship anyone out?

We've seen enough to make a decision and the fact we drafted Black indicates that.

this is what i was thinking. Howard even intimated it. Many thought a Hendricks/SG would be a pretty perfect draft. The fact that they took a PG at #6, tells me that maybe the front office isnt as hot on Fultz as we all thought.

OR maybe our FO just drafts BPA instead of fit? Since Black was in the top5 discussions a lot, maybe he is BPA by the mertics of our FO.