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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1401 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:32 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


Yeah, you have to still take calls from the Sixers just as matter of professionalism, but you don't have to spend a lot of time on the phone if that's how they're going to operate.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1402 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:20 am

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


Yeah, you have to still take calls from the Sixers just as matter of professionalism, but you don't have to spend a lot of time on the phone if that's how they're going to operate.


They did get Harden for Simmons, so I suppose Morey has earned the right to dream.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1403 » by axeman23 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:33 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:With Gallinari and Muscula just being moved, I say let's go get both guys.

Rubio is broken down, so trade 1 old broken dude for another. Get Gallo.

It will technically be a separate transaction but then acquire Mike for the Agbaji TPE.

Boom, just added 2 bigs to the front court, who can shoot, while retaining the full MLE and full BAE to make other moves. Shouldn't take more than a second rounder or two to get it done.



Rubio isn't "broken-down", he's coming back from a significant injury where the 2nd year back is where you start to see improvement, not the first. Gallo also tore his ACL, and MISSED all of last season. So you'll be swapping our guy who has blown most of the cobwebs out, for a guy right at the START of that journey, who also happens to be 2 years older. And as mentioned, just wait for them to be cut instead of needlessly burning an asset.
The guy has already spoke about retirement publicly twice since the Cavs got smacked outta the playoffs. He's not the long-term solution at back-up PG, if the Cavs can get a different piece for him, give it a go.

Koby sits on his hands is getting old after pushing all the chips in on the Mitchell trade.



U DO know Gallo is 2 years older than Rubio, right? And as has been said, further behind in rehab. MAYBE Rubio isn't the answer. Gallo DEFINATELY aint the answer...
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1404 » by axeman23 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:40 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.



Philly FO drinking on the job, it looks like... :lol:
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1405 » by mcfly1204 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:12 pm

axeman23 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
axeman23 wrote:

Rubio isn't "broken-down", he's coming back from a significant injury where the 2nd year back is where you start to see improvement, not the first. Gallo also tore his ACL, and MISSED all of last season. So you'll be swapping our guy who has blown most of the cobwebs out, for a guy right at the START of that journey, who also happens to be 2 years older. And as mentioned, just wait for them to be cut instead of needlessly burning an asset.
The guy has already spoke about retirement publicly twice since the Cavs got smacked outta the playoffs. He's not the long-term solution at back-up PG, if the Cavs can get a different piece for him, give it a go.

Koby sits on his hands is getting old after pushing all the chips in on the Mitchell trade.



U DO know Gallo is 2 years older than Rubio, right? And as has been said, further behind in rehab. MAYBE Rubio isn't the answer. Gallo DEFINATELY aint the answer...

Also, something about "long-term" and "backup PG"... who cares?
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1406 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:37 pm

axeman23 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
axeman23 wrote:

Rubio isn't "broken-down", he's coming back from a significant injury where the 2nd year back is where you start to see improvement, not the first. Gallo also tore his ACL, and MISSED all of last season. So you'll be swapping our guy who has blown most of the cobwebs out, for a guy right at the START of that journey, who also happens to be 2 years older. And as mentioned, just wait for them to be cut instead of needlessly burning an asset.
The guy has already spoke about retirement publicly twice since the Cavs got smacked outta the playoffs. He's not the long-term solution at back-up PG, if the Cavs can get a different piece for him, give it a go.

Koby sits on his hands is getting old after pushing all the chips in on the Mitchell trade.



U DO know Gallo is 2 years older than Rubio, right? And as has been said, further behind in rehab. MAYBE Rubio isn't the answer. Gallo DEFINATELY aint the answer...
Rubio has 2 years on his contract and by his own admission is probably only playing 1 of them. Even if it's not Gallo, I'm looking to move him for a different piece, preferably someone who can shoot.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1407 » by ijspeelman » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:02 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


I read this earlier from a typically reputable source and I was like this has to be satire.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1408 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:06 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


I read this earlier from a typically reputable source and I was like this has to be satire.
It's for sure not negotiating in good faith.

I personally wouldn't want Harris and matching his $40 million is next to impossible but to ask for the moon and stars, just say not interested no need to disrespect Koby, Gansey, and Grant Gilbert.

I truly hope this is just a Morey thing and not how the league views our front office, otherwise making trades is gonna be a no go.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1409 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:46 pm

ijspeelman wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


I read this earlier from a typically reputable source and I was like this has to be satire.


I think Morey asked for it knowing it would be rejected with the intent of leaking it so some dumb GM would see T. Harris as the biggest shiny thing on the market.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1410 » by toooskies » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:01 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/sixers-cavs-tobias-harris-jarrett-allen-evan-mobley-trade-rumors/

Lol pure comedy.

76ers asked for Mobley, Allen, and a pick for Tobias Harris.


I read this earlier from a typically reputable source and I was like this has to be satire.


I think Morey asked for it knowing it would be rejected with the intent of leaking it so some dumb GM would see T. Harris as the biggest shiny thing on the market.

My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1411 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:56 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:
I read this earlier from a typically reputable source and I was like this has to be satire.


I think Morey asked for it knowing it would be rejected with the intent of leaking it so some dumb GM would see T. Harris as the biggest shiny thing on the market.

My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.


This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1412 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:17 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I think Morey asked for it knowing it would be rejected with the intent of leaking it so some dumb GM would see T. Harris as the biggest shiny thing on the market.

My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.


This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.
I seen a dude on the GB say he recalled Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, and picks for Ben lol
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1413 » by KGDirkTD_Fan » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:01 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.


This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.
I seen a dude on the GB say he recalled Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, and picks for Ben lol


If you asked me 12 months ago, someone would eventually take a Harris trade off of the Sixers (not involving us), just would take Morey waiting a bit for it. Recently...since the new CBA I'm not so sure. They're probably stuck with him. I don't know what bar you could possibly set for him, but I suppose he's said to be an assassin scorer. :D
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1414 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:52 am

KGDirkTD_Fan wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.
I seen a dude on the GB say he recalled Morey asked for FVV, OG, Lowry, and picks for Ben lol


If you asked me 12 months ago, someone would eventually take a Harris trade off of the Sixers (not involving us), just would take Morey waiting a bit for it. Recently...since the new CBA I'm not so sure. They're probably stuck with him. I don't know what bar you could possibly set for him, but I suppose he's said to be an assassin scorer. :D
Hahaha i did read that assassin scorer line, too funny.

76ers had Harris bloated contract for 4 years already, 1 more shouldn't hurt anything.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1415 » by shrink » Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:32 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I think Morey asked for it knowing it would be rejected with the intent of leaking it so some dumb GM would see T. Harris as the biggest shiny thing on the market.

My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.


This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.

The book on Morey has been that ever since he got his first GM position, he’s been spamming the other 29 teams with multiple bad offers, sometimes multiple ones within the same week. He is also reported to be very slow to accept an offer that he thinks isn’t a big win. This privately annoys several GMs, who have often accused Morey of not bargaining in good faith. For years, there have been rumors about him being like this, and several leaks were made during the Ben Simmons fiasco that correlate. I totally believe this was an actual Morey offer.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1416 » by JonFromVA » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:20 pm

shrink wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:My assumption with reporting about obviously unbalanced trades is that something got left out. In this case I'd guess that Maxey being included gets this close enough to be a counter that isn't a joke.


This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.

The book on Morey has been that ever since he got his first GM position, he’s been spamming the other 29 teams with multiple bad offers, sometimes multiple ones within the same week. He is also reported to be very slow to accept an offer that he thinks isn’t a big win. This privately annoys several GMs, who have often accused Morey of not bargaining in good faith. For years, there have been rumors about him being like this, and several leaks were made during the Ben Simmons fiasco that correlate. I totally believe this was an actual Morey offer.


Well, the Cavs run a very tight ship and this "rumor" appeared to leak through Philly sources.

So, it's worth mentioning there are two reasonable explanation for why a GM would make a ridiculous ask:

1) He's trying to expose a leak in his organization (by even talking about this we're accepting there is one);
2) He's trying to obfuscate a legit rumor that's out there with some false ones (maybe Harris was getting upset because of leaks).
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1417 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:30 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
shrink wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
This is the same GM who leaked that he wanted Fox and multiple 1sts for Simmons in an attempt to set the market.

The book on Morey has been that ever since he got his first GM position, he’s been spamming the other 29 teams with multiple bad offers, sometimes multiple ones within the same week. He is also reported to be very slow to accept an offer that he thinks isn’t a big win. This privately annoys several GMs, who have often accused Morey of not bargaining in good faith. For years, there have been rumors about him being like this, and several leaks were made during the Ben Simmons fiasco that correlate. I totally believe this was an actual Morey offer.


Well, the Cavs run a very tight ship and this "rumor" appeared to leak through Philly sources.

So, it's worth mentioning there are two reasonable explanation for why a GM would make a ridiculous ask:

1) He's trying to expose a leak in his organization (by even talking about this we're accepting there is one);
2) He's trying to obfuscate a legit rumor that's out there with some false ones (maybe Harris was getting upset because of leaks).

Given that Harris's dad has come out being upset at Harris's role in Philly and Harris himself said Philly fans would trade him for a Crumbl cookie, I'd definitely lean towards #2.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1418 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:49 pm

I would do this trade but i see no way the Pelicans surrender all that for Allen, especially because he's not a great fit with Zion.Image
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1419 » by gflem » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:02 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:I would do this trade but i see no way the Pelicans surrender all that for Allen, especially because he's not a great fit with Zion.Image

I know Pels fans say no to any Allen for Murphy talk. Swap out Jones and a future first, does that do anything for you if it works salary wise? Not that I want to move Allen, but he is the most logical choice if the team feels the roster fit as is isn't going to work moving forward.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#1420 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:32 am

gflem wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:I would do this trade but i see no way the Pelicans surrender all that for Allen, especially because he's not a great fit with Zion.Image

I know Pels fans say no to any Allen for Murphy talk. Swap out Jones and a future first, does that do anything for you if it works salary wise? Not that I want to move Allen, but he is the most logical choice if the team feels the roster fit as is isn't going to work moving forward.


Pels fans should enjoy playing next season with JV if they don't want to give up Murphy. The posted trade is too good for the Cavs, the Spurs particularly would bail, but there's no sense continuing the conversation without Murphy in it.
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