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fendilim wrote:Nyce_1 wrote:Yeah, Matt Lloyd did a podcast years ago (pod squad) and said the FO views Markelle as a combo-guard. Always stuck in my mind.tiderulz wrote:did anyone ever see him as a combo guard?
Idk if that viewpoint has changed.
Maybe the fact that he is the best playmaker amongst our guards?
Black and Blue wrote:I think it’s a safe assumption based on their picks they were targeting guards in this draft, which makes sense given how set they are at SF, PF, and C. Unfortunately picks 2-5 (since Miller could have played SG) right before them were guards as well. We will likely never know how they valued picks 2-5 relative to Black, but they had their pick of players after them and STILL took a guard.
When Paolo tweeted “I see the vision” after the pick, I think from his perspective he was seeing the front office’s number 1 priority this off-season as upgrading the guard slots from every single conceivable angle.
Knightro wrote:Black and Blue wrote:I think it’s a safe assumption based on their picks they were targeting guards in this draft, which makes sense given how set they are at SF, PF, and C. Unfortunately picks 2-5 (since Miller could have played SG) right before them were guards as well. We will likely never know how they valued picks 2-5 relative to Black, but they had their pick of players after them and STILL took a guard.
When Paolo tweeted “I see the vision” after the pick, I think from his perspective he was seeing the front office’s number 1 priority this off-season as upgrading the guard slots from every single conceivable angle.
The Magic need to do the right thing in the next 7-10 days by trading one of Fultz or Anthony
Unfortunately, I know it won't be Fultz, so that leaves Cole as the guy who has to go. Even though I admit and accept that will hurt the team in the short term.
If Black is forced to play SG or SF this upcoming season just to get him on the court, that's pretty much a waste of his rookie year IMO.
I'm not saying he has to start and play 30 MPG at PG, but he needs to play consistent minutes on the ball and the Magic need to live with the ups and downs.
Black and Blue wrote:Knightro wrote:Black and Blue wrote:I think it’s a safe assumption based on their picks they were targeting guards in this draft, which makes sense given how set they are at SF, PF, and C. Unfortunately picks 2-5 (since Miller could have played SG) right before them were guards as well. We will likely never know how they valued picks 2-5 relative to Black, but they had their pick of players after them and STILL took a guard.
When Paolo tweeted “I see the vision” after the pick, I think from his perspective he was seeing the front office’s number 1 priority this off-season as upgrading the guard slots from every single conceivable angle.
The Magic need to do the right thing in the next 7-10 days by trading one of Fultz or Anthony
Unfortunately, I know it won't be Fultz, so that leaves Cole as the guy who has to go. Even though I admit and accept that will hurt the team in the short term.
If Black is forced to play SG or SF this upcoming season just to get him on the court, that's pretty much a waste of his rookie year IMO.
I'm not saying he has to start and play 30 MPG at PG, but he needs to play consistent minutes on the ball and the Magic need to live with the ups and downs.
I think that’s the thing I’m most worried about: playing time and this coaching staff playing Black out of position. I could totally see them keeping both Fultz and Anthony and giving Black random minutes here and there at 3rd string PG and SG like they did with RJ Hampton. Unless they think his shooting form is broken beyond anything mentioned, this seems like a waste of a golden opportunity to groom their PG of the future.
The team has a real chance to upgrade and get a lot better this offseason, and if they do that sitting on their hands doing nothing garbage it’s going to really hurt the development of all the players (I’d say Paolo and Franz the most).
If I’m the Magic, Fultz, Harris and Okeke would be off the team/traded as soon as free agency started and we would use some of the money we have to fill their positions with players that compliment our stars.
Make no mistake about it: last season and the year before were about laying the foundation and assessing a ton of raw talent. Now that they’ve done that they need to move. If they don’t this offseason, it’s a failure on the FO’s part.
Black and Blue wrote:Knightro wrote:Black and Blue wrote:I think it’s a safe assumption based on their picks they were targeting guards in this draft, which makes sense given how set they are at SF, PF, and C. Unfortunately picks 2-5 (since Miller could have played SG) right before them were guards as well. We will likely never know how they valued picks 2-5 relative to Black, but they had their pick of players after them and STILL took a guard.
When Paolo tweeted “I see the vision” after the pick, I think from his perspective he was seeing the front office’s number 1 priority this off-season as upgrading the guard slots from every single conceivable angle.
The Magic need to do the right thing in the next 7-10 days by trading one of Fultz or Anthony
Unfortunately, I know it won't be Fultz, so that leaves Cole as the guy who has to go. Even though I admit and accept that will hurt the team in the short term.
If Black is forced to play SG or SF this upcoming season just to get him on the court, that's pretty much a waste of his rookie year IMO.
I'm not saying he has to start and play 30 MPG at PG, but he needs to play consistent minutes on the ball and the Magic need to live with the ups and downs.
I think that’s the thing I’m most worried about: playing time and this coaching staff playing Black out of position. I could totally see them keeping both Fultz and Anthony and giving Black random minutes here and there at 3rd string PG and SG like they did with RJ Hampton. Unless they think his shooting form is broken beyond anything mentioned, this seems like a waste of a golden opportunity to groom their PG of the future.
The team has a real chance to upgrade and get a lot better this offseason, and if they do that sitting on their hands doing nothing garbage it’s going to really hurt the development of all the players (I’d say Paolo and Franz the most).
If I’m the Magic, Fultz, Harris and Okeke would be off the team/traded as soon as free agency started and we would use some of the money we have to fill their positions with players that compliment our stars.
Make no mistake about it: last season and the year before were about laying the foundation and assessing a ton of raw talent. Now that they’ve done that they need to move. If they don’t this offseason, it’s a failure on the FO’s part.
Knightro wrote:Black and Blue wrote:I think it’s a safe assumption based on their picks they were targeting guards in this draft, which makes sense given how set they are at SF, PF, and C. Unfortunately picks 2-5 (since Miller could have played SG) right before them were guards as well. We will likely never know how they valued picks 2-5 relative to Black, but they had their pick of players after them and STILL took a guard.
When Paolo tweeted “I see the vision” after the pick, I think from his perspective he was seeing the front office’s number 1 priority this off-season as upgrading the guard slots from every single conceivable angle.
The Magic need to do the right thing in the next 7-10 days by trading one of Fultz or Anthony
Unfortunately, I know it won't be Fultz, so that leaves Cole as the guy who has to go. Even though I admit and accept that will hurt the team in the short term.
If Black is forced to play SG or SF this upcoming season just to get him on the court, that's pretty much a waste of his rookie year IMO.
I'm not saying he has to start and play 30 MPG at PG, but he needs to play consistent minutes on the ball and the Magic need to live with the ups and downs.
Whoa, I knew Black's statistical profile was impressive but dayuum. I think he could be better as a rookie than Fultz is as a... Is it his 6th season now?Knightro wrote:Random Anthony Black fact of the day..
Freshmen with AST% over 20%, FT rate over 50% and 20 dunks in the last 15 years.
-Anthony Black
-Ben Simmons (3x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 2x all-defensive team)
-John Wall (5x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 1x all-defensive team)
Couple No. 1 overall picks and our new rook.
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eyriq wrote:Whoa, I knew Black's statistical profile was impressive but dayuum. I think he could be better as a rookie than Fultz is as a... Is it his 6th season now?Knightro wrote:Random Anthony Black fact of the day..
Freshmen with AST% over 20%, FT rate over 50% and 20 dunks in the last 15 years.
-Anthony Black
-Ben Simmons (3x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 2x all-defensive team)
-John Wall (5x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 1x all-defensive team)
Couple No. 1 overall picks and our new rook.
Clear.The.Path.
zaymon wrote:eyriq wrote:Whoa, I knew Black's statistical profile was impressive but dayuum. I think he could be better as a rookie than Fultz is as a... Is it his 6th season now?Knightro wrote:Random Anthony Black fact of the day..
Freshmen with AST% over 20%, FT rate over 50% and 20 dunks in the last 15 years.
-Anthony Black
-Ben Simmons (3x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 2x all-defensive team)
-John Wall (5x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 1x all-defensive team)
Couple No. 1 overall picks and our new rook.
Clear.The.Path.
Rookies almost never contribute to winning, especially point guards. If our only goal is to make playoffs next season Fultz will be better option than Black. Cole is also better but last season we had little offense from the bench and he was crucial spark plug. This year its more of the same unless Jett Howard is great or Suggs learns how to dribble
Best option would be to cut Fultz and sign some veteran who is good both on and off the ball.
We are in a akward position. We need to choose if we want to win more or develop more.
eyriq wrote:zaymon wrote:eyriq wrote:Whoa, I knew Black's statistical profile was impressive but dayuum. I think he could be better as a rookie than Fultz is as a... Is it his 6th season now?
Clear.The.Path.
Rookies almost never contribute to winning, especially point guards. If our only goal is to make playoffs next season Fultz will be better option than Black. Cole is also better but last season we had little offense from the bench and he was crucial spark plug. This year its more of the same unless Jett Howard is great or Suggs learns how to dribble
Best option would be to cut Fultz and sign some veteran who is good both on and off the ball.
We are in a akward position. We need to choose if we want to win more or develop more.
Both PG's that Knightro highlighted were better as rookies than Fultz was last year. It is rare but the good ones come out of the gate better than Fultz is right now.
eyriq wrote:Whoa, I knew Black's statistical profile was impressive but dayuum. I think he could be better as a rookie than Fultz is as a... Is it his 6th season now?Knightro wrote:Random Anthony Black fact of the day..
Freshmen with AST% over 20%, FT rate over 50% and 20 dunks in the last 15 years.
-Anthony Black
-Ben Simmons (3x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 2x all-defensive team)
-John Wall (5x all-star, 1x all-NBA, 1x all-defensive team)
Couple No. 1 overall picks and our new rook.
Clear.The.Path.
Orl_Magic wrote:im not even excited to watch him play because hes so goofy looking