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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (Sloukas GRE, Sabonis LTU, decides to skip WC) 

Post#161 » by UcanUwill » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:22 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:And more you said it wasn't...

I mean obviously if you take 12 olympic team rosters and out of the pool make 12 equal talent teams, those teams will be better than taking 32 WC team players and making 32 teams out of that pool.
DO you disagree with that?

If you take teams that make both OLympics and WC usually, they have far more declines to particiapte when its WC, not OLympics. FACT. Teams that qulify for Olympics always saw WC as secondary global tournament. But do you disagree with that also?

If we are talking, which tournament will have more interesting player, WC will win because it has 32 teams, not 12 teams. So, is that what makes it stronger?

What exactly makes it stronger? I at least provided clear statements why Olympics is better, you provided none and just change the talking point when I ask for one.
I know that you are a troll, but you such genuelly sound like you believe in this, its amazing, I just like seeing how you got nothing. Several RGM posters agreed with you, thats even better than FIBA agreeing with you :lol:


All of this "more popular", "more prestigious", blah, blah, who cares? How is that in any way at all in the least bit relevant to the issue at hand. Newsflash, it isn't at all relevant.

The World Cup is a HIGHER LEVEL OF COMPETITION. Period. The Olympics being "more prestigious' has absolutely jack squat zero of anything to do with that. Plenty of things in the world are more popular, or more "prestigious" than things they are worse than.

Like every product type or good in the world, has some thing that are super popular and even "prestigious", and yet at the same time are of inferior quality compared to other brands of goods and products. Do you think that the most popular or most "prestigious" car is always the most dependable car, etc.? The movie with the biggest budget that is made by the biggest studio, that grosses the most money is always the best movie made in terms of its quality? Come on, get serious please.

Man this is really not that hard of a concept to grasp. It's really not. This is absolutely a childish argument that "more popular" (in certain countries only) or "more prestigious" (in certain countries only), or considered more "relevant" (in certain countries only), means that always equates to the highest level of quality.

That is a very childish viewpoint, and it's comically absurd.


I agree that more popular doesnt mean it better by default. THat would mean Bay's Transformers are best movies ever...
But here, it is very important, because pool of players we get firstly, and secondly, the title recognition.

Just look at the players we will miss in WC. SAbonis already out, Most USA top talent just lol at idea to play in this. Question mark over Canada. Hopefully Giannis, Jokic and Luka play, they probably will, but we will see. Australia usually has strong teams in both tournaments, but cant say the same about Argentina. Lesser players like Sloukas, Grigonis and many many more are out too. Olympics is LIFE experience, something even biggest athelte can brag about, that they were part of it. But FIBA world cup? Outside FIBA fans like us, no one will ever care about that, and thats why more entitled players skipping those all the time.

ANd Second, Recognition as I said. Spain are current world champions, but it seems like people barely even care. Do some of you even know Spain are defending World Champion name? Argentina 2004 was 19 years ago now, and people still care about that and remember that. As a Lithuanian fan, I would much much rather win Olympic gold than WC gold, seriously, this suppose to be about the same value, but its not at all the same, Olympic gold is just worth so much more.

DId I wish it was other way around? Yes, of course, I mean WC is simply Basketball tournament, its a celebration of Basketball as sport. Where in OLympics, BB is just one of 200+ other events... Like why we should care that much, it all just loses in a shuffle? But we all care because simply FIBA WC is just not relevant. I like it a lot, but its a hipster thing, its a background tournament that most sports fans arent even aware is happening. Olympics is still biggest event in the world when it happens.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (Sloukas GRE, Sabonis LTU, decides to skip WC) 

Post#162 » by Mirotic12 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:26 pm

UcanUwill wrote:I agree that more popular doesnt mean it better by default. THat would mean Bay's Transformers are best movies ever...
But here, it is very important, because pool of players we get firstly, and secondly, the title recognition.

Just look at the players we will miss in WC. SAbonis already out, Most USA top talent just lol at idea to play in this. Question mark over Canada. Hopefully Giannis, Jokic and Luka play, they probably will, but we will see. Australia usually has strong teams in both tournaments, but cant say the same about Argentina. Lesser players like Sloukas, Grigonis and many many more are out too. Olympics is LIFE experience, something even biggest athelte can brag about, that they were part of it. But FIBA world cup? Outside FIBA fans like us, no one will ever care about that, and thats why more entitled players skipping those all the time.

ANd Second, Recognition as I said. Spain are current world champions, but it seems like people barely even care. Do some of you even know Spain are defending World Champion name? Argentina 2004 was 19 years ago now, and people still care about that and remember that. As a Lithuanian fan, I would much much rather win Olympic gold than WC gold, seriously, this suppose to be about the same value, but its not at all the same, Olympic gold is just worth so much more.

DId I wish it was other way around? Yes, of course, I mean WC is simply Basketball tournament, its a celebration of Basketball as sport. Where in OLympics, BB is just one of 200+ other events... Like why we should care that much, it all just loses in a shuffle? But we all care because simply FIBA WC is just not relevant. I like it a lot, but its a hipster thing, its a background tournament that most sports fans arent even aware is happening. Olympics is still biggest event in the world when it happens.


2010 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, had more TV viewership, and made more money than the 2008 FIBA Olympics did.

2014 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, had more TV viewership, and made more money than the 2012 FIBA Olympics did.

2019 FIBA World Cup had more attendance, had more TV viewership, and made more money than the 2016 FIBA Olympics did.

And that is why the NBA, just in recent years, wanted to scrap the Olympics.

There is a world outside of just the former cold war era participants.
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Post#163 » by durden_tyler » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:43 pm

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Mirotic12 wrote:
It's already been mentioned by others in the thread. This is just nonsense. Of course the Olympics is weaker. 1/3 of the teams in the Olympics are a complete joke. A team can actually make the quarterfinals maybe by just winning 1 game and just 1 game against a joke level team.

There are national federations complaining all the time about how bad the Olympics level is and how it needs to be improved. FIBA itself has said over and over that it can't even be considered even an actual world tournament, unless at an absolute minimum, it had at least 16 teams. otherwise it's just a small cup tournament. It's ridiculous we are even having to debate this.

But basketball is still the Americans’ domain, so whichever tourney they sent their Team A to, that will be considered the actual main event. That’s why the World Cup is seen as less prestigious— until US stops sending their B or C Teams, it will never reach the level we want it to be.

It doesn't matter , whoever wins the tournament , they are the best national team in the world. The USA not being able to send their best player is not the concern for the their national teams who are participating. I think most of those teams would like to test themselves against the best american players but those players being absent is the issue of USA basketball federation.

Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.
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Post#164 » by Mirotic12 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:47 pm

durden_tyler wrote:Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.


So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.
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Post#165 » by durden_tyler » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:00 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.


So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.

Can you honestly say that whoever wins this edition of the World Cup is the best in the world? There’s forever going to be an asterisk to any title if the US does not send their best players.
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Post#166 » by Mirotic12 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:16 pm

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Mirotic12 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.


So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.

Can you honestly say that whoever wins this edition of the World Cup is the best in the world? There’s forever going to be an asterisk to any title if the US does not send their best players.


So then all of Team USA's gold medals won at the Olympics, except for in 1992, 1996, and 2008 have asterisks. All the rest are just asterisk gold medals.
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Post#167 » by Mickey8 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:28 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.


So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.

Can you honestly say that whoever wins this edition of the World Cup is the best in the world? There’s forever going to be an asterisk to any title if the US does not send their best players.

Of course it is. The USA is participating in the tournament , if they are eliminated in the tournament they are not the best team in the world. Its like people trying to diminish Denver's title value, because they didn't face Bucks or Celtics in the play off's :lol: . The USA is sending the best team they could gather at the moment, that's the best squad for that tournament representing your country. The rest of the world wont beat their heads because USA didn't send their best players, that's their own failure.
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Post#168 » by UcanUwill » Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:09 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Nope. Without the real test, it’s not going to be a true international champion. Blame the US players for that, the gold just won’t have the same glitter and even other countries know that.


So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.

Can you honestly say that whoever wins this edition of the World Cup is the best in the world? There’s forever going to be an asterisk to any title if the US does not send their best players.



Is Argentina best at Soccer? Probably not, but they are world champions - fact. Whoever wins this will be world champion. How many countries has ever sent 12 best players they ever had? Every federation has loses, due to injuries or decline for numerous reasons.

We know USA has best talent pool so far, so what, its just paper talent until you prove it. Such a toxic mentality, Imagine USA pull of a Miracle and win FIFA world cup, and then the rest of the world goes - meh, we obviously still have better players and leagues still, so it doesnt mean squat, go f yourself for winning...
I mean come on, and then people ask why Basketball is not a huge deal in other countries, because even winning now doesn't get respect, what a joke.
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Post#169 » by durden_tyler » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:12 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
So using that same logic, most of the USA's gold medals mean nothing at the Olympics. None of the gold medals won pre NBA players mean anything. And certainly the gold medals won with the 2000, 2012, 2016, and 2021 teams don't mean anything then.

The 2021 team in particular was awful. So according to your own logic, all of those gold medals won by USA are completely meaningless. Because none of those teams had all of the best players.

So USA's official new gold medal count at the Olympics is a grand total of 3 (1992, 1996, 2008). That is, based on your own criteria that you are setting.

Can you honestly say that whoever wins this edition of the World Cup is the best in the world? There’s forever going to be an asterisk to any title if the US does not send their best players.


So then all of Team USA's gold medals won at the Olympics, except for in 1992, 1996, and 2008 have asterisks. All the rest are just asterisk gold medals.


Sure. But you still have not answered the question; win or lose this tournament, is Team USA still the best in the world? (Not by a mile like before, but there is still considerable gap between USA and the Next Best Team out there.
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Post#170 » by CaptainFanchini » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:05 am

Banchero is undergoing an huge sxxxstorm in Italy.

Some comments are way too exaggerated/offensive and some even racists, but man ... in the past 3 years he has done everything to be hated right now with this move :oops:
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Post#171 » by CaptainFanchini » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:12 am

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UcanUwill wrote:Huge bomb, Banchero decided he will represent USA! Good bye Azzurri hopes, huge disappointment for the Italians, obviously not only for this year, but next 10+ years coming.

Speak for yourself, I always considered players picking and choosing national teams based on opportunity rather than genuine sense of national belonging to be a disgraceful breach of the very concept of national team.
Banchero might have an italian parent but he speaks no italian nor has never lived in Italy. I'd have picked present day Kobe over him.
He shouldn't even have had the ability to choose as far as I'm concerned.


Oh c'mon ... he's at least more italian than Lorenzo Brown is spanish, Anthony Randolph slovenian or A.J. Slaughter polish ...
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Post#172 » by UcanUwill » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:37 am

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UcanUwill wrote:Huge bomb, Banchero decided he will represent USA! Good bye Azzurri hopes, huge disappointment for the Italians, obviously not only for this year, but next 10+ years coming.

Speak for yourself, I always considered players picking and choosing national teams based on opportunity rather than genuine sense of national belonging to be a disgraceful breach of the very concept of national team.
Banchero might have an italian parent but he speaks no italian nor has never lived in Italy. I'd have picked present day Kobe over him.
He shouldn't even have had the ability to choose as far as I'm concerned.


Oh c'mon ... he's at least more italian than Lorenzo Brown is spanish, Anthony Randolph slovenian or A.J. Slaughter polish ...


Those naturalized players is just stupid to me. Maybe I am idiot, but if you dont considered naturalized by these arbitrary rules, I am fine. Like Nick Calathes, how much of a greek he really was, was up to the debate, but I am fine with him.

I am also very against my national team adopting naturalized BS player, but I am fine if Matas Buzelis plays for us, maybe its hypocritical, but to me it is still not the same.
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Post#173 » by UcanUwill » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:39 am

CaptainFanchini wrote:Banchero is undergoing an huge sxxxstorm in Italy.

Some comments are way too exaggerated/offensive and some even racists, but man ... in the past 3 years he has done everything to be hated right now with this move :oops:


Yeah, I have seen some of the comments and headlines...
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Post#174 » by Statlanta » Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:03 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
CaptainFanchini wrote:Banchero is undergoing an huge sxxxstorm in Italy.

Some comments are way too exaggerated/offensive and some even racists, but man ... in the past 3 years he has done everything to be hated right now with this move :oops:


Yeah, I have seen some of the comments and headlines...

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Post#175 » by AdagioPace » Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:13 pm

CaptainFanchini wrote:Banchero is undergoing an huge sxxxstorm in Italy.

Some comments are way too exaggerated/offensive and some even racists, but man ... in the past 3 years he has done everything to be hated right now with this move :oops:


Unfortunately Italy was just an alternative in case USA wouldn't have selected him. He basically became "too good" for Italy :wink: (opportunism at its finest)
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Post#176 » by CharityStripe34 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:30 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
CaptainFanchini wrote:
Aeternus wrote:Speak for yourself, I always considered players picking and choosing national teams based on opportunity rather than genuine sense of national belonging to be a disgraceful breach of the very concept of national team.
Banchero might have an italian parent but he speaks no italian nor has never lived in Italy. I'd have picked present day Kobe over him.
He shouldn't even have had the ability to choose as far as I'm concerned.


Oh c'mon ... he's at least more italian than Lorenzo Brown is spanish, Anthony Randolph slovenian or A.J. Slaughter polish ...


Those naturalized players is just stupid to me. Maybe I am idiot, but if you dont considered naturalized by these arbitrary rules, I am fine. Like Nick Calathes, how much of a greek he really was, was up to the debate, but I am fine with him.

I am also very against my national team adopting naturalized BS player, but I am fine if Matas Buzelis plays for us, maybe its hypocritical, but to me it is still not the same.


In defense of Nick "The Basket, who can barely say a Greek word" Calathes, his father's family is Greek (and came from there).

Similar to how I was born in the US, to parents from Greece, so still considered a Greek national and was able to obtain dual citizenship easily. Unlike "Nick the Quick" I'm fluent in Greek lol.
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Post#177 » by durden_tyler » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:09 pm

Any link to what actually Banchero said then about playing for the Italy NT? (did he commit? Half commit?). Want to understand how angry the Italians are
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Post#178 » by kobyz » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:48 pm

u.s starting lineup for the tournament:

Tyrese Haliburton
Anthony Edwards
Mikal Bridges
Brandon Ingram
Jaren Jackson Jr.

not too bad, basically 5 allstars(Bridges is an allstar caliber player after the trade)
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Post#179 » by LuDux1 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:58 pm

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Mirotic12 wrote:Kostas Sloukas and Domantas Sabonis skipping the tournament just means both Greece and Lithuania got stronger.

An All NBA 2nd Teamer missing the tournament somehow means their team is stronger. And this I'm guessing is somehow an indication that the World Cup means more than the Olympics, when you have all NBA team players from other countries not playing it.

Makes perfect sense.


Domantas is our biggest loss by far, super upset about that and it lowers our ceiling greatly. That said, he aint lying that SAbonis has sucked in FIBA for years now. But after seeing Giannis redeption, you should never question NBA star level players potential, it all comes down to coaching and ultimate fit, any NBA star with maybe extreme exception can eventually figure out FIBA game, at the end, dominating NBA is harder than dominating FIBA.

Really hoped this would be the year Domantas figures it out, he has been our most unused weapon yet, but this ain't happening. MAybe he would have been the same, just an ordinary starter and not a big loss, but we wont know now...

This Lithuanian generation always been Valanciunas' one tho, hes the man, just like Arvydas or Jasikevicius before him. If hes not playing, everything falls apart, he has always been our best player in recent years.


With each week loss of Sabonis (technically, according to federation, nothing is lost, he has 3 weeks to fix finger, give birth and sign new contract) looks less important. Compared to guards, frontline is stacked

Sabonis, Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Gudaitis, Birutis, Echodas
Kuzminskas, Sedekerskis, Kulboka, Bendzius, Tubelis, Zukauskas
Giedraitis, Ulanovas, Butkevicius, Radzevicius, Sirvydis
Grigonis, Brazdeikis, Normantas, Valinskas, Giedraitis
Jokubaitis, Lekavicius, Dimsa, Kariniauskas, Velicka
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Post#180 » by _jin » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:09 pm

durden_tyler wrote:Any link to what actually Banchero said then about playing for the Italy NT? (did he commit? Half commit?). Want to understand how angry the Italians are

https://basketnews.com/news-188023-with-clock-ticking-doubts-arise-about-paolo-bancheros-commitment-to-italy.html

On June 24 last year, just before the draft, he said in an interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport:

"The support I have received so far from Italy has been fantastic. This summer, I won't be able to play with the national team, but next summer, I will be there".

In late October, Banchero visited his then-teammate RJ Hampton's podcast, emphasizing his choice of the Italian national team quite sharply:

"Team USA? No, I'm with Italy now."

In December, Banchero met with the higher ranks of the Italian federation and head coach Gianmarco Pozzecco.

Even though the meeting was positive, the player asked for more time before making a final decision about his commitment to the Italian team.

However, since that meeting, the tone from the Italian Federation and Banchero has changed, becoming much more doubtful.

In February, during an official event, Pozzecco said, "Banchero? There is no news. We did what we could; now we await his answer."

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