Official 2023 Wizards OFFSEASON Thread

[mhd]

Fansided is predicting that Kuzma resigns with the Wizards. It's possible if Kuzma can't get the money he's looking for in FA.

Nah, the new Wiz FO isn't dumb enough to give Kuzma that much money. Now, if he agreed to something 4/60, then sure. However, we are committed to tanking this year.

[tleikheen]

Nah, the new Wiz FO isn't dumb enough to give Kuzma that much money. Now, if he agreed to something 4/60, then sure. However, we are committed to tanking this year.

this will be yeeeeeeeaaaars of bad play and losing seasons ,but them wiz fans are use to it ,hopefully they dont lose their team

[AFM]

Really? No other franchise is dumb enough to give Kuz the 30/yr he wants? Shocking

[TGW]

Relax guys...it was just a prediction from a fan-ran website. Take it with a grain of salt.

[tleikheen]

eally? No other franchise is dumb enough to give Kuz the 30/yr he wants? Shocking

You dont watch much BB besides the wiz i see , I watched the Locked on Kings talk about Kuz wanting 30 million and their interest in him if they move on from Harrison Barnes .They like his height ,length and downhill play and look to add to their #1 offense with Kuz.

[gambitx777]

eally? No other franchise is dumb enough to give Kuz the 30/yr he wants? Shocking

You dont watch much BB besides the wiz i see , I watched the Locked on Kings talk about Kuz wanting 30 million and their interest in him if they move on from Harrison Barnes .They like his height ,length and downhill play and look to add to their #1 offense with Kuz.

The kings off loaded a lot of money for some reason and they can always resign Barnes with the MLE which is about what he's worth after signing luz and getting over the cap with some resignings. There are ways.

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[Endless Loop]

On the topic of how long a reboot should take.

Well, it looks like the Jazz, one year into a full reboot, are already looking to win. At least that's what I'd conclude from the article saying they were interested in Porzingis, plus the fact that they just traded for Collins.

With room for two max contracts next year, why shouldn't the Wizards look to win, not tank? It all depends on the production of players versus what they're being paid.

Another reason to look to be aggressive with free agents next year is that it should be a great year to go for it. Teams will be looking to shed salaries under the new CBA. But the following year, everybody will have a ton of new-found cap room. Next year is more likely to be a buyer's market, while the year after will be a seller's market.

[willbcocks]

The jazz have a bazillion picks from trading their two best players. We have Jordan freaking Peele. Not comparable situations. We need to build a talent base first.

I was looking forward to watching a young developing team, but if we roll out Peele and Kuzma as our two highest usage guys, I'll see you all later in the rebuild.

[gambitx777]

The jazz have a bazillion picks from trading their two best players. We have Jordan freaking Peele. Not comparable situations. We need to build a talent base first.

I was looking forward to watching a young developing team, but if we roll out Peele and Kuzma as our two highest usage guys, I'll see you all later in the rebuild.

Poole is a decent player who got derailed by work drama.

I don't expect kuz back I look for him in purple next year weather thats kings or Lakers.

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[popper]

I don't know about you guys but I'm astonished that we were able to offload Beal's albatross contract without attaching first round picks. Thank goodness there's another owner as dumb as TL. There's finally hope in Wizardsland.

[gambitx777]

I don't know about you guys but I'm astonished that we were able to offload Beal's albatross contract without attaching first round picks. Thank goodness there's another owner as dumb as TL. There's finally hope in Wizardsland.

There is a really chance that team is worse than us next year. It's not like a good Chance but it's not like unthinkable!

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[FAH1223]

Read on Twitter

[pcbothwel]

On the topic of how long a reboot should take.

Well, it looks like the Jazz, one year into a full reboot, are already looking to win. At least that's what I'd conclude from the article saying they were interested in Porzingis, plus the fact that they just traded for Collins.

With room for two max contracts next year, why shouldn't the Wizards look to win, not tank? It all depends on the production of players versus what they're being paid.

Another reason to look to be aggressive with free agents next year is that it should be a great year to go for it. Teams will be looking to shed salaries under the new CBA. But the following year, everybody will have a ton of new-found cap room. Next year is more likely to be a buyer's market, while the year after will be a seller's market.

1) The Jazz stumbled onto an AS caliber/borderline All-NBA caliber player in Markannen. Its a great problem to have, but they cant tank with a player like that.
2) The Jazz traded away their 2024 1st. Im sure they thought it would be protected as it has almost identical protections on our pick to the Knicks, but now they will almost certainly give it away.

[pcbothwel]

Read on Twitter

Kuz... No one has more than the MLE to give you. So here is a 3/50M contract with a PO in year 3.
1) You know the team, coach, and city. No major adjustment and you can get shots up.
2) If a contendar you are interested in wants you, we'll trade you at the deadline.
3) You can make 30M over 2 years, and then enter FA at 29 y/o in the summer of 2025 when the Cap spikes.

Win/Win.

Caveot. This assumes we have netted ourselves a big TPE that allows us to take on BOYD deal, so Kuz wont jeopardize that approach.

I would still like to add another TPE with Kuz via SnT. Im looking at teams that have a player to fit within the Rui TPE (6.2M) and then get a 15-20M TPE for Kuz.
Pacers: They will be about 15-17M under the cap with 14 players. A Kuz for Duarte trade would be good for both teams. Maybe we get a 2nd too.

[joshuacf]

Signing Kuzma makes zero sense to me.

1. He cuts into the minutes of Deni, Kispert, Bilal, ect.
2. He cuts into the offensive reps the aforementioned will get in games.
3. He's about to be 28.
4. Having him on the team probably wins us a couple more games than if we don't have him.

He's the antithesis of a rebuild. It would be a shocking mistake for us to sign him, in my opinion.

[gambitx777]

Signing Kuzma makes zero sense to me.

1. He cuts into the minutes of Deni, Kispert, Bilal, ect.
2. He cuts into the offensive reps the aforementioned will get in games.
3. He's about to be 28.
4. Having him on the team probably wins us a couple more games than if we don't have him.

He's the antithesis of a rebuild. It would be a shocking mistake for us to sign him, in my opinion.

It's a chance to sign him to a value contract and trade him for value when he was gonna walk for nothing. It's the second to last chance to get something if value out of the John wall trade other than a couple seconds. We still have Morris to move. Since we still might owe a first over that trade down the line. It's worth exploring to further get assets since Tommy botched a lot of that return after he made a good westbrook trade.

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[payitforward]

I don't know about you guys but I'm astonished that we were able to offload Beal's albatross contract without attaching first round picks. Thank goodness there's another owner as dumb as TL. There's finally hope in Wizardsland.

That is exactly correct.
No one knows whether we'll be successful in the larger sense -- it's way too early even to think about that -- but every move so far has been a winner:

1. Trading Beal for a player with value, a second player, 6 R2 picks & 4 swaps was... amazing! Too bad Goodwin had to go too, but even so....

2. Turning around & trading Chris Paul to Golden State in return for two young players (Poole & Rollins) & both the Warriors' 2027 R2 pick & their 2030 R1 pick... another excellent move.

3. Exchanging the #57 pick in the 2023 draft for the guy drafted #28 in the 2022 draft, who is still only 20 years old & was a 4 star recruit only 2 years ago... well, it's hard for me to see that as anything but the right thing to do!

4. Biggest of all, in a way, was to watch the way these guys managed their first Wizards draft.

All good so far, that's for sure.

[NatP4]

Where was Baldwin ranked as a 4 star? He was a consensus 5 star and top 10 ranked player.

The 2030 1st is also top 20 protected with little to no chance of conveying. GS fans claim that Rollins is not a NBA caliber player. That trade essentially amounts to taking on a bad player with a bad contract in exchange for Rollins and a future 2nd round pick.

[NatP4]

Signing Kuzma makes zero sense to me.

1. He cuts into the minutes of Deni, Kispert, Bilal, ect.
2. He cuts into the offensive reps the aforementioned will get in games.
3. He's about to be 28.
4. Having him on the team probably wins us a couple more games than if we don't have him.

He's the antithesis of a rebuild. It would be a shocking mistake for us to sign him, in my opinion.

100%. It will take PT from Davis as well. Kispert will slide down to the 2 position more inevitably.

It will take tons of usage away from young players, especially Deni, as always.

Kuzma isn’t a winning player, idc what anyone says. You don’t want guys like that on your roster, especially when you’re going to have to build a new culture and develop young guys. You want people like Tyus Jones and Gallinari.

Would be a terrible move.

[payitforward]

Signing Kuzma makes zero sense to me.

1. He cuts into the minutes of Deni, Kispert, Bilal, ect.
2. He cuts into the offensive reps the aforementioned will get in games.
3. He's about to be 28.
4. Having him on the team probably wins us a couple more games than if we don't have him.

He's the antithesis of a rebuild. It would be a shocking mistake for us to sign him, in my opinion.

Kuz is a great guy, but he is simply not a good NBA player.

In his very best year (his last with the Lakers) he wasn't even an average NBA forward. The following year, his first with us, he was almost but not quite as good as that.

This last season, '22-23, Kyle Kuzma was absolutely awful. Yet, basketball media types keep wanting to describe it as "a breakout season."

Why? For the usual reason -- Kuz's points per game went up. As if that was a meaningful measure of anything whatever when viewed on its own (i.e. without reference to how many more shots he took & what his FG & FT%s were).

Whether NBA GMs will buy this line we don't yet know. FA signings don't start until 4 days from now.

In any case, this...

It's a chance (for us) to sign him to a value contract and trade him for value when he was gonna walk for nothing....

...is clearly false, while this...

It's the second to last chance to get something if value out of the John wall trade other than a couple seconds....

is both false & irrelevant.

If we are able to arrange a sign and trade deal that gets us something, great. If not, better to let him walk than fool oneself into thinking that the trade that wasn't possible now will somehow be possible later.