Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP

Xsy · Post #161 » by **Xsy** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:05 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Now I'm left wondering... is Lauri work playing as a basically full-time SF?

He played full time SF all of last season, with Vanderbilt/Olynyk/Kessler at the 4/5.

whitehops · Post #162 » by **whitehops** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:05 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i think to fully evaluate this - we need to wait and see what atlanta gets using that 25 mil trade exception.

Wont it be ~$19m after the Gay salary?

the hawks had an existing trade exception from the justin holiday trade that juuuust snuck gay's salary in - thanks to the new increase in TPE matching increasing from $100K to $250K.

both the new CBA and new season (for salary matching purposes) kick in July 1 so the deal will have to be made official after then.

Post #163 » by **Darthlukey** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:09 pm

whitehops wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i think to fully evaluate this - we need to wait and see what atlanta gets using that 25 mil trade exception.

Wont it be ~$19m after the Gay salary?

the hawks had an existing trade exception from the justin holiday trade that juuuust snuck gay's salary in - thanks to the new increase in TPE matching increasing from $100K to $250K.

both the new CBA and new season (for salary matching purposes) kick in July 1 so the deal will have to be made official after then.

That is sexy

TheHartBreakKid · Post #164 » by **TheHartBreakKid** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:17 pm

Am I the only one who doesn't like this for the Jazz?

djsunyc · Post #165 » by **djsunyc** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:20 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i think to fully evaluate this - we need to wait and see what atlanta gets using that 25 mil trade exception.

Wont it be ~$19m after the Gay salary?

per bobby marks its 25 mil

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #166 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:15 am

Jadoogar wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
God Squad wrote:Rough return for Atlanta

true but they could have gotten nothing for him and let him leave in FA. so all in all, they got a 2nd rounder
But they wasted 2 seasons with him. Was a 2nd rounder worth it?

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lol i mean look at their free agent signings and trades the last 2 years. did they really waste any time? they basically mortgaged their near current future for Dejounte Murray only to flame out in the 1st round.

i mean the guy average 22/10 with 1.6 blocks 1 year before he signed that deal. he shot 40% from 3, 80% from the FT line - those are kinda insane offensive numbers for a PF/C. i mean the Hawks ffront office offered him that deal instead of letting the market dictate how much he should be worth. i think he kinda fit with the Hawks at the time. but obviously they overpaid him and he didn't get better + he got injured.

I think if he signed for $60M over 4 years or even up to $80 over 4 years, it would have been palpable.

the penalties of the new CBA really made the Hawks rethink all their salary commitments though, which led to this trade. maybe they got greedy in years past and could have gotten something better but the new CBA affects everyone now.

metalinguss · Post #167 » by **metalinguss** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:20 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:Trae Young / Kobe Bufkin
Dejounte Murray / Bogdan Bogdanovic
Saddiq Bey / AJ Griffin
DeAndre Hunter / Jalen Johnson / Rudy Gay
Clint Capela / Onyeka Okongwu

They need Siakam.

#FreeOkongwu. Toronto should ask for him in case.

ChuckChilly · Post #168 » by **ChuckChilly** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:23 am

CallMeKahn wrote:
dirkdiggler4177 wrote:I don't get it for Utah. They are not making the playoffs this season and Collins is scoring 13 point per game for 25 mill*3

I suspect Collins is going to get more time and touches in Utah. Ainge basically got a free asset and dumped Gay in the process.

No offense, but I dont get this logic. Collins will be making 26 mill for the next 3 years, so in a sense its almost like the Jazz signed him for $75M+ /3 years (or $23M / 3 years if you discount Gay's salary). There's nothing free about that.

DaPessimist · Post #169 » by **DaPessimist** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:43 am

I'm not a big Collins fan, but I'd definitely add him to my roster for free, which is essentially what the Jazz just paid.

SweetTouch · Post #170 » by **SweetTouch** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:46 am

big man who can't space the floor = not wanted

Yeggo Poleggo · Post #171 » by **Yeggo Poleggo** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:26 am

Rudy Gay still plays in the NBA?????

Megadoo11 · Post #172 » by **Megadoo11** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:58 am

ChuckChilly wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:
dirkdiggler4177 wrote:I don't get it for Utah. They are not making the playoffs this season and Collins is scoring 13 point per game for 25 mill*3

I suspect Collins is going to get more time and touches in Utah. Ainge basically got a free asset and dumped Gay in the process.

No offense, but I dont get this logic. Collins will be making 26 mill for the next 3 years, so in a sense its almost like the Jazz signed him for $75M+ /3 years (or $23M / 3 years if you discount Gay's salary). There's nothing free about that.

They absorbed him into existing cap space with room to spare.

Fast forward a year and a half and his contract is closer to expiring.

Perfect timeline for Utah’s next move.

HotelVitale · Post #173 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:02 am

DaPessimist wrote:I'm not a big Collins fan, but I'd definitely add him to my roster for free, which is essentially what the Jazz just paid.

Well, the price was their cap space, i.e. the cost was exactly what else they could've got with the same $25-30m this offseason (and the next couple too). I don't hate that but it's clear what the cost was and certainly wasn't free. My guess is this works out best for them if they flip Collins in a year or so for a pick and expirings to a competitive-ish team--that would end up being a good use of space.

Megadoo11 wrote:
ChuckChilly wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:
I suspect Collins is going to get more time and touches in Utah. Ainge basically got a free asset and dumped Gay in the process.

No offense, but I dont get this logic. Collins will be making 26 mill for the next 3 years, so in a sense its almost like the Jazz signed him for $75M+ /3 years (or $23M / 3 years if you discount Gay's salary). There's nothing free about that.
They absorbed him into existing cap space with room to spare. Fast forward a year and a half and his contract is closer to expiring. Perfect timeline for Utah’s next move.

Don't hate the move but this response seems like it's written by the Jazz's PR team. He's got 3 more years (PO the 3rd season) so he won't be a sure expiring in a year and a half, and either way what is this 'perfect timeline' stuff supposed to mean? Why isn't next offseason a 'perfect' time to have $28m more in cap space? Why does a team that isn't really ready for anything more than a play-in spot wanting to take up much of their free cap for 3 years on a guy who barely raises their ceiling? It seems like a reasonable move to sign him to a 3/75 like other guy said, I guess, but it's not some major coup that comes at no cost at all for them.

SkyHook · Post #174 » by **SkyHook** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:12 am

Pre vs post ASG splits look pretty good.

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BostonCouchGM · Post #175 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:37 am

This is similar to the Sexton acquisition. It's just Danny taking a flyer on salary ballast hoping he can rehab his value for inclusion in a future trade for a real star. Neither Sexton or Collins are core pieces of the Jazz team Danny hopes to build.

hauntedcomputer · Post #176 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:06 pm

It's weird that all the people who laughed at Collins on the Hawks now see him as an all-star just because Ainge got him.

Also funny that Gay is currently #10 on all-time active scoring list and people don't know who he is.

CallMeKahn · Post #177 » by **CallMeKahn** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:41 pm

SweetTouch wrote:big man who can't space the floor = not wanted

Probably a good thing he can then.

Spens1 · Post #178 » by **Spens1** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:06 pm

I don't get this at all for Utah, you just drafted Taylor Hendricks who does alot of the same things that Collins does plus most of your money is now tied into that frontcourt along with your talent (at the three alone, in theory they have Markannen, your franchise player, Collins as well as Hendricks who you just drafted).

This makes me think Utah isn't done and they have another deal in the works which could see Markannen being dealt perhaps whilst his value is high. Utah also doesn't have that much in terms of guard depth or in terms of a proper point guard, or really, just ball handling and distribution in general.

At least for Atlanta it kind of makes sense since they have guys who can replace him and they could always retool (Murray + Capella for Brown makes sense for both teams).

jasonxxx102 · Post #179 » by **jasonxxx102** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:30 pm

TacoLord wrote:I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.

Salary matching for a star trade in the future

HadAnEffectHere · Post #180 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:31 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
TacoLord wrote:I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.

Salary matching for a star trade in the future

................ No.

The Jazz could just sign random role players to huge one year deals and that would be much more appealing for a star trade.

This narrative makes no sense.

Is this a good trade for Utah?