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Summer League 2023, Multi-Game Thread – Celtics (2-3) in Vegas, July 7-17

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Post#121 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:38 am

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.


add another 7'0 guy to the roster.
Cody Taylor: Reggie Kissoonlal will play summer league with the Celtics, a source told @RookieWire. He played last season with the Maine Celtics.

So that's Aleksander Balcerowski @ 7'1, Kissoonlal @ 7'0 and Vincent Valerio-Bodon @ 6'10. Looks to me Brad is looking at additional big men for either the regular roster or 2-way contracts. Again, no mention of Kabengele @ 6'10, so either he has a spot already or he has been sent packing.


It's not just Porzi, Kissoonlal may also give Brad thoughts of a 7-footer playing some 3.
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Post#122 » by 165bows » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:46 am

UcanUwill wrote:Actually exited to see Aleksander Balcerowski. Haven't watched him play at all this season, but if you remember last EUrobasket and our General board thread, he looked great, he was a discovery, we constantly were asking how this guy went undrafted.

I didn’t follow that, what’s the thirty second version of his play?
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Post#123 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:54 am

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UcanUwill wrote:Actually exited to see Aleksander Balcerowski. Haven't watched him play at all this season, but if you remember last EUrobasket and our General board thread, he looked great, he was a discovery, we constantly were asking how this guy went undrafted.

I didn’t follow that, what’s the thirty second version of his play?


Here's a year-old scouting report on him: https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/aleksander-balcerowski-scouting-report/

And while we're at it, one from this month on Valerio-Bodon: https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/vincent-valerio-bodon/
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Post#124 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:04 pm

threrf23 wrote:I'm looking forward to watching Justin Bean, statistically he looks like a legit high level 3&d prospect.

From what I recall seeing of him in college, he's kind of like Sam Hauser - before the defensive improvement Hauser made last season.

Tall guy who can shoot it but can't do much else and isn't very athletic. Solid fundamentals. He may have improved since then. But the vibe I got was he's a career g-leaguer or overseas guy.
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Post#125 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:35 pm

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.


add another 7'0 guy to the roster.
Cody Taylor: Reggie Kissoonlal will play summer league with the Celtics, a source told @RookieWire. He played last season with the Maine Celtics.

So that's Aleksander Balcerowski @ 7'1, Kissoonlal @ 7'0 and Vincent Valerio-Bodon @ 6'10. Looks to me Brad is looking at additional big men for either the regular roster or 2-way contracts. Again, no mention of Kabengele @ 6'10, so either he has a spot already or he has been sent packing.

Valerio-Bodon is not a big man. Although he does have good size (some sites list him at 6'9", some site sites list him at 6'9.5". There might be a site that lists him at 6'10") he plays much more like a wing, kind of like Rashard Lewis, Peja, Turkoklu, Kukoc. I'm not saying Valerio-Bodon is as good as those guys, but just in terms of size and position, he's similar.

As I said before, I do think VVB does have a chance to make the roster. He could be a guy who surprises people. He could potentially be kind of like Sam Hauser but taller and more athletic. Wouldn't shock me if he is able to get some minutes here and there. Guys with that type of size, who can move pretty well, who can shoot it like that (41% from 3) and have decent athleticism and aren't dreadful on defense, they usually get at least a shot at some minutes in the NBA. Not to mention, it's not like he's some 18 or 19 year old kid who is raw and needs a bunch of development. VVB is 22, has a few yrs experience playing pro ball overseas. And if you watch some of his overseas film, he seems to play really poised.

The key is, can he defend NBA-level athletes? And how quick is he to adjust to the style of play, speed and physicality of the NBA game? If he looks pretty good in SL, I think he'll at least get a training camp invite.

Kissoonlal, I don't think has a shot at a 2-way or a standard roster spot. He only got 10 MPG for the Maine Celtics this past season. He did have some decent numbers in limited minutes (solid TS% 3 pt%, rebounding % and blocks %). But idk man, 27 years old and was only able to get 10 MPG in the g league. Just seems like a career g-league or overseas guy to me.

Balcerowski - yes, I think they picked him up with the idea they he could possibly make the team as a 4th/5th big man. He's 7'2", same height as Kornet. Looks like he's similar weight to Kornet, too. But Balcerowski appears to have a more rugged/solid build, as opposed to Kornet who is more doughy and just not as strong physically. Shooting-wise, Balcerowski appears to be somewhat similar to Kornet as well. Both of them show occasional glimpses of being able to knock down the 3, but they're not elite shooters by any stretch of the imagination. They can knock them down here and there, but overall low volume and low % from 3.

Overall, I feel like Balcerowski is build a little bit stronger than Kornet, he might be a little more skilled, a little more athletic than Kornet too. But it's hard to say, since they have been competing against very different levels of competition. Brad seems to love Kornet and Kornet has familiarity with our system from being here for a few years now. So I don't see Balcerowski over-taking Kornet on the depth chart - unless he really kills it in SL, gets a TC invite and kills it there too.

Kornet is 27 and about to turn 28. Balcerowski is only 22. So (if he looks good in SL), I like the idea of keeping Balcerowski in the organization, to try and keep developing him. Then he could be a really solid backup back for us in a year or 2. We'll need that as Al gets even older (then retires) and as KP and Rob probably have more injuries.

We can carry up to 21 players till the end of training camp. It would not shock me if VVB and Balcerowski get TC invites, if they play well in SL.

Lastly, these international guys rarely accept 2-way contracts. 2-way contracts don't pay very much (in comparison to what good players can make overseas).
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Post#126 » by threrf23 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:34 pm

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threrf23 wrote:I'm looking forward to watching Justin Bean, statistically he looks like a legit high level 3&d prospect.

From what I recall seeing of him in college, he's kind of like Sam Hauser - before the defensive improvement Hauser made last season.

Tall guy who can shoot it but can't do much else and isn't very athletic. Solid fundamentals. He may have improved since then. But the vibe I got was he's a career g-leaguer or overseas guy.


I have no clue about whether he is quick/athletic enough to make it in the NBA. That had been my lone hang up about Hauser, who also resembled a fairly strong 3&D prospect statistically. And as with Hauser, Bean's numbers look good going back to his freshman season.

Hauser ofc was an elite-ish outside shooter, 45% as a freshman and 48% as a soph on good volume, was consistent as a shooter for four straight seasons. Despite some progress as a senior (46.5% on low qty), he shot poorly from 3 his first three seasons despite being a good free throw shooter. That is a soft red flag for me, maybe brings back flashes of Jiri Welsch, a guy who has strong shooting ability but can't translate it well for one reason or another.

But shooting often develops over time. 12.4 rebounds per 40 as a freshman and 12.3 rebounds per 40 over the course of all four seasons is really, really impressive for a not that athletic wing, even in a weak conference. And rebounding = motor, instincts, fundamentals, etc. Also, good A/TO ratio all four seasons (like Hauser) and his foul efficiency (relative to blocks and steals) suggests he can make it as a defender in the NBA (as did Hauser's).

One maybe big caveat, I just Googled him and acc to his Wikipedia page he was born 1996 and would have been 22 as a freshman, 27 next season. Maybe a Mormon who put off school for his mission. Although nbascoutlinglive.com lists his birthday as Jan 1 1999.

edit yeah so realgm/nba.com have his age as 26, he played well in college in part cause he was a man playing amongst boys, probably not an NBA player but we'll see
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Post#127 » by Dogen » Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:30 am

Hal14 wrote:Imagine JD throwing lobs to this guy in summer league ?!



He gets UP and quickly. On a couple of those blocks he just plucks the ball out of the air with two hands. Crazy hops. Some good passes in there too.
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Post#128 » by cloverleaf » Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:33 am

J D Davison is still only 20yo -- and Grant Williams says he's grown taller over the past year.

JD was 6'0.5" w/o shoes, 6'2.5" with shoes, at the combine a year ago and he has also clearly bulked/muscled up since then.
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Post#129 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:15 pm

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He went Undrafted in 2022. And is with the Orlando Magic Summer League, as of this Writing.
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Post#130 » by batabatuta » Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:32 am

I hope Orlando takes Kai or if not, we take him.
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Post#131 » by canman1971 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:34 pm

The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

https://theathletic.com/4649991/2023/06/29/celtics-nba-summer-league-udoka-azubuike/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
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Post#132 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:58 pm

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The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

https://theathletic.com/4649991/2023/06/29/celtics-nba-summer-league-udoka-azubuike/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983


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Post#133 » by sam_I_am » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:24 pm

The guys I am most intrigued by are:

Scoot Henderson: I think this guy is an automatic star. Hal loves to post how his stats are just like JD’s but based on eyeball test alone, there is an enormous talent gap between the two -( and I love the JD pick) His mentality, personality, style of play are a throwback to when athletic guards could dominate so he might not be taylor made for 3 pt centered NBA. Still, Portland was wise not to trade the pick…..in a month his value could be so much higher.

The Thompson twins: I really want to see how different and similar they are at NBA level. I love NBA twins and these two are perhaps the most intriguing of all time.

Jarace Wallace: ceiling may not be all-NBA or even all star but I just love the way this guy plays. Indiana usually gets it right with these mid level stars.
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Walsh: obviously our guy but I want to see how much of a pest he can be defensively. Also I expect him to hoist a lot of 3s. If his defense is NBA ready we might get to see a lot of Tatum at the 4 and KP at the 5.

Edit: I meant to add Cam Whitmore. I’m not sure what the red flags are but that guy is going to make a lot of GMs second guess themselves if he is healthy.
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Post#134 » by 31to6 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:31 pm

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rock: :clap:

Better late than never with some draft binkies.
I am prepared for him to be not good.
But stoked to see him in a Celtics uniform — if they have one big enough

Averaging 3/3 over three NBA seasons. Negative BPM but neutral VORP. Shooting percentages are 77/0/51! Block % a bit over 4. TO% is very high — 18% — which puts him at roughly 6TOs per assist, so Jaylen can help him try to bring that down towards even;)

But a huge and strong dude with a good vertical and a 7’5” to 7’7” wingspan — if I can’t have Tacko, I am full swim to Azubuike Island!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/azubuud01.html

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The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

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Post#135 » by 31to6 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:43 pm

(and why I always wanted Tacko is why I will stan for Azubuike, unseen: Embiid. I know the Celtics like to guard him with Al, Rob, Grant, Jaylen, Jayson, Marcus, etc. but I want at least the OPTION of sending someone out there — maybe just for a few minutes — who is **** large. They can even be really large and mostly useless. Just to mix it up. And no, Kornet does NOT count here)
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Post#136 » by darrendaye » Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:51 pm

31to6 wrote::rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rock: :clap:

Better late than never with some draft binkies.
I am prepared for him to be not good.
But stoked to see him in a Celtics uniform — if they have one big enough

Averaging 3/3 over three NBA seasons. Negative BPM but neutral VORP. Shooting percentages are 77/0/51! Block % a bit over 4. TO% is very high — 18% — which puts him at roughly 6TOs per assist, so Jaylen can help him try to bring that down towards even;)

But a huge and strong dude with a good vertical and a 7’5” to 7’7” wingspan — if I can’t have Tacko, I am full swim to Azubuike Island!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/azubuud01.html

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The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

https://theathletic.com/4649991/2023/06/29/celtics-nba-summer-league-udoka-azubuike/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983


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Post#137 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:04 pm

Yeah, why not take a flier on Azubuike. Only 23 still. So he still could possibly turn into a decent NBA backup big man. Let's see what he can do. There was just no more room for him on the Jazz, with all those other bigs they have. He could possibly still carve out a role though for a different team.

I'm not high on the Kissoonlal guy - don't think he's an NBA player. But, with Azubuike and Balcerowski, we now have 2 bigs on this SL team who could potentially end up being a decent backup big for the C's. Azubuike with more NBA experience but Balcerowski higher upside (since he's younger and has shown more flashes of outside shooting & nifty passing).

I think if 1 of them has a strong showing in SL, they could definitely get a training camp invite. I don't think we would invite both to TC, but you never know..

I'm assuming the 2 of them will split minutes in SL and Kissoonlal won't get many mins at all.
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Post#138 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:15 pm

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The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

https://theathletic.com/4649991/2023/06/29/celtics-nba-summer-league-udoka-azubuike/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

That's interesting. Under Stevens, the Celtics have always targeted bigs that could shoot or pass, preferably both. Azubuike does neither. He's huge though and can clog the paint on defense (the issue is that he'll also clog the paint on offense). At the very least it's a better value play to get him for free than a guy like Nnaji that has similar measurements but would have costed a second round pick in the draft. Azubuike has a lower ceiling sure but also three years on a NBA roster so he's much further along in terms of learning NBA defensive coverages and he should be ready to contribute sooner.
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Post#139 » by Homerclease » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:26 pm

I liked Azibuke coming out of college but hasn’t amounted to much thus far. He’s enormous so that’s a plus
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Post#140 » by Half-Full » Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:39 pm

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The Celtics summer-league roster will feature former first-round pick Udoka Azubuike, according to a team source who was granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. Azubuike spent his first three seasons in the league with the Utah Jazz. Danny Ainge’s front office declined his fourth-year team option before last season. Azubuike only scored 125 points in 359 minutes last season and had a few decent showings when he started for the meaningless final week of last season.

https://theathletic.com/4649991/2023/06/29/celtics-nba-summer-league-udoka-azubuike/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

That's interesting. Under Stevens, the Celtics have always targeted bigs that could shoot or pass, preferably both. Azubuike does neither. He's huge though and can clog the paint on defense (the issue is that he'll also clog the paint on offense). At the very least it's a better value play to get him for free than a guy like Nnaji that has similar measurements but would have costed a second round pick in the draft. Azubuike has a lower ceiling sure but also three years on a NBA roster so he's much further along in terms of learning NBA defensive coverages and he should be ready to contribute sooner.


Azubuike and Balcerowski should be able to fill a back up role at a low cost. They each bring something different to the table, and it will be interesting to see how they perform in Summer League play. Whether either of them ends up getting signed, who knows, but I'm intrigued by both players.

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