2024 NBA Draft Thread

[clyde21]

Scoot is a true PG and a monstrous 6-3 with a 6-9 wingspan, Mikey is not a PG, and he's barely 6-1 with a **** w/s

you DO realize they've played each other right? That Mikey gave as good as he got? And he's barely smaller than Scoot? I mean, there's quite literally videos of this. It was the biggest game two years ago lmao. Scoot is 6'2" btw

Mikey is 6-1 at best with marginal guard skills, a **** wingspan and not much of an athletic pop

tell us how high you think he should go tho

[Chuck Everett]

Tyrese Proctor looks like a starting NBA PG to me. People got to get off these "weak" draft takes. That is a reference to how much elite or maybe all star talent at the top of the draft. Getting guys a tier or 2 below all star level has major value to teams.

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

[juanc]

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Bumpin this to say that he really impressed me against USA in the U19s. He could be a big time riser.

He really has improved over the last year or so. He improved his shot selection/efficiency, he also put some work to his body.

If somebody asked me if he is a NBA prospect about a year ago, I would be sceptical, but with the improvement he has shown and the work ethic he has I think he is on the right path. Also love the decision to go to UCLA, even with SImovic gone. If his 3 point shot comes along then he'll be a 1st round pick without a doubt IMO. Has that Bogdan craftiness to him.

[Mattya]

Tyrese Proctor looks like a starting NBA PG to me. People got to get off these "weak" draft takes. That is a reference to how much elite or maybe all star talent at the top of the draft. Getting guys a tier or 2 below all star level has major value to teams.

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Tyrese Proctor looks like a starting NBA PG to me. People got to get off these "weak" draft takes. That is a reference to how much elite or maybe all star talent at the top of the draft. Getting guys a tier or 2 below all star level has major value to teams.

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

Cody Williams is a projected top 5 pick and he just sucks and literally can't get off the bench is an issue.
Zaccharie Risacher also just sucks as does Ron Holland and they're also top 5 projected.

There's no one with upside and production right now. Maybe one of the high upside guys actually starts playing well.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

Cody Williams is a projected top 5 pick and he just sucks and literally can't get off the bench is an issue.
Zaccharie Risacher also just sucks as does Ron Holland and they're also top 5 projected.

There's no one with upside and production right now. Maybe one of the high upside guys actually starts playing well.

nick smith was a projected top 5 pick during the summer after HS too. he ended up going 27. don't read too much into where guys are slotted right now - not uncommon for a kid who just finished high school to be wildly overrated as it relates to his draft prospect status.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

Cody Williams is a projected top 5 pick and he just sucks and literally can't get off the bench is an issue.
Zaccharie Risacher also just sucks as does Ron Holland and they're also top 5 projected.

There's no one with upside and production right now. Maybe one of the high upside guys actually starts playing well.

nick smith was a projected top 5 pick during the summer after HS too. he ended up going 27. don't read too much into where guys are slotted right now - not uncommon for a kid who just finished high school to be wildly overrated as it relates to his draft prospect status.

Obviously, but the issue is just that every possible high upside guy has played terrible basketball recently.

[Mattya]

Cody Williams is a projected top 5 pick and he just sucks and literally can't get off the bench is an issue.
Zaccharie Risacher also just sucks as does Ron Holland and they're also top 5 projected.

There's no one with upside and production right now. Maybe one of the high upside guys actually starts playing well.

nick smith was a projected top 5 pick during the summer after HS too. he ended up going 27. don't read too much into where guys are slotted right now - not uncommon for a kid who just finished high school to be wildly overrated as it relates to his draft prospect status.

Obviously, but the issue is just that every possible high upside guy has played terrible basketball recently.

Do you even remember what they were saying about Anthony Edwards and Lamelo Ball even leading up to the draft? Edwards comp was Dion Waiters and was someone who didn’t win at any level and didn’t like basketball. People thought Lamelo wouldn’t be able to shoot and was overrated because he played weak competition and didn’t dominate.

[SeattleJazzFan]

this class will be good. really good. i don't expect anybody to agree with me right now, but i want to get it on record.

[HadAnEffectHere]

nick smith was a projected top 5 pick during the summer after HS too. he ended up going 27. don't read too much into where guys are slotted right now - not uncommon for a kid who just finished high school to be wildly overrated as it relates to his draft prospect status.

Obviously, but the issue is just that every possible high upside guy has played terrible basketball recently.

Do you even remember what they were saying about Anthony Edwards and Lamelo Ball even leading up to the draft? Edwards comp was Dion Waiters and was someone who didn’t win at any level and didn’t like basketball. People thought Lamelo wouldn’t be able to shoot and was overrated because he played weak competition and didn’t dominate.

Yes, Edwards and LaMelo were not fantastic prospects for top 3 guys... Neither guy has really shown to be top 25 guys in the NBA yet either, lol.

Every other player in the top 10 that year is

Okongwu
A bench player
Headed out of the league

[Mattya]

Obviously, but the issue is just that every possible high upside guy has played terrible basketball recently.

Do you even remember what they were saying about Anthony Edwards and Lamelo Ball even leading up to the draft? Edwards comp was Dion Waiters and was someone who didn’t win at any level and didn’t like basketball. People thought Lamelo wouldn’t be able to shoot and was overrated because he played weak competition and didn’t dominate.

Yes, Edwards and LaMelo were not fantastic prospects for top 3 guys... Neither guy has really shown to be top 25 guys in the NBA yet either, lol.

Every other player in the top 10 that year is

Okongwu
A bench player
Headed out of the league

1. Who are the 25 players better than the 21 year old who just averaged 31, 5 and 5 against the would be champions in the playoffs?

2. It’s a good thing that they’re a more picks outside of the top 10 which produced a bunch of great players. That’s probably why you should trust these crappy espn mock drafts hell even the teams drafting suck at this. Or are the picks like Giannis, Gobert, Jokic irrelevant to how strong a draft is because they weren’t top 10?

[Colbinii]

Obviously, but the issue is just that every possible high upside guy has played terrible basketball recently.

Do you even remember what they were saying about Anthony Edwards and Lamelo Ball even leading up to the draft? Edwards comp was Dion Waiters and was someone who didn’t win at any level and didn’t like basketball. People thought Lamelo wouldn’t be able to shoot and was overrated because he played weak competition and didn’t dominate.

Yes, Edwards and LaMelo were not fantastic prospects for top 3 guys... Neither guy has really shown to be top 25 guys in the NBA yet either, lol.

Every other player in the top 10 that year is

Okongwu
A bench player
Headed out of the league

Okoro was a starter on a playoff team.
Patrick Williams is a Starting-Caliber 3+D wing, still just 21 years young.
Vassell and Haliburton were picked 11 and 12 [funny how you only pick Top 10 as if that matters?] and instead if you said lottery your argument would fall flat on its face.

Regardless, Edwards has every possibility to be a Top 25 or higher player in the NBA given his work ethic, passion for being the best and combination of athleticism/size for a 2-guard.

[clyde21]

Tyrese Proctor looks like a starting NBA PG to me. People got to get off these "weak" draft takes. That is a reference to how much elite or maybe all star talent at the top of the draft. Getting guys a tier or 2 below all star level has major value to teams.

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

there is no "push" or "agenda" to make this class look week. it's just a fact. it's one of the worst HS classes in a long time. 247 has only 16 players graded as 5*...on average you usually have around 25 and that's average. and every recruiting agency is saying the same thing. and from an NBA standpoint it looks even worse because even if you do look at the 5* you don't see a lot of NBA archetypes there.

right now I have Matas #1 in the class and I wouldn't take him higher than #4 in 2023. that doesn't mean there won't be good players to come out of the class or that a lot players might go to college and surprise but as it stands right now it's an extremely weak HS class without a lot of NBA archetypes that's gonna have to rely heavily on returning players and internationals for a talent boost and that's always a hit or miss.

if some of u disagree and this class is loaded, great, i hope you're right, loaded classes are way more fun for everyone including this board. but not sure why yall are acting like there is this massive conspiracy to make this class look worse than it is. relatively speaking by every metric so far it's not looking good.

[Mattya]

Seems like a guy the Spurs will target with one of their lotto picks. 6'5 PG, international, does a lot of things well. He could have a big time sophomore year. I'm not in love with him, but I admit that he has some interesting tools. And Australian basketball players just seem to be getting better and better like France.

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

there is no "push" or "agenda" to make this class look week. it's just a fact. it's one of the worst HS classes in a long time. 247 has only 16 players graded as 5*...on average you usually have around 25 and that's average. and every recruiting agency is saying the same thing. and from an NBA standpoint it looks even worse because even if you do look at the 5* you don't see a lot of NBA archetypes there.

right now I have Matas #1 in the class and I wouldn't take him higher than #4 in 2023. that doesn't mean there won't be good players to come out of the class or that a lot players might go to college and surprise but as it stands right now it's an extremely weak HS class without a lot of NBA archetypes that's gonna have to rely heavily on returning players and internationals for a talent boost and that's always a hit or miss.

if some of u disagree and this this class is loaded, great, i hope you're right, loaded classes are way more fun for everyone including this board.

I don’t put any stock on what player rankings these garbage scouting sites say. After 2020 they exposed themselves as completely clueless just running narratives off of each other.

[clyde21]

Yea I’m not seeing the weak draft push. Also remember that the Edwards, Ball, Halliburton draft was considered a weak draft with no true stars, yet all 3 are all stars by age 23 and that draft also produced Bane, Maxey, McDaniels, and Vassell. As well as still promising players like Williams, Okongwu, Quickley, Tre Jones and other good producing role players like Bey and Tillman.

there is no "push" or "agenda" to make this class look week. it's just a fact. it's one of the worst HS classes in a long time. 247 has only 16 players graded as 5*...on average you usually have around 25 and that's average. and every recruiting agency is saying the same thing. and from an NBA standpoint it looks even worse because even if you do look at the 5* you don't see a lot of NBA archetypes there.

right now I have Matas #1 in the class and I wouldn't take him higher than #4 in 2023. that doesn't mean there won't be good players to come out of the class or that a lot players might go to college and surprise but as it stands right now it's an extremely weak HS class without a lot of NBA archetypes that's gonna have to rely heavily on returning players and internationals for a talent boost and that's always a hit or miss.

if some of u disagree and this this class is loaded, great, i hope you're right, loaded classes are way more fun for everyone including this board.

I don’t put any stock on what player rankings these garbage scouting sites say. After 2020 they exposed themselves as completely clueless just running narratives off of each other.

lol 2020 was crap and still crap, when **** players like Patrick Williams and Isaac Okoro were your #4 and #5 picks you know it was a bad class, even Wiseman was insanely overrated and shouldn't have went anywhere near the top 3.

but if you don't want to put stock in any HS rankings and you think this is actually a great class, we all hope ur right...there isn't anyone here that WANTS this to be a bad class.

[clyde21]

btw, 247 had 24 five stars rated in the 2019 HS class (the 2020 draft) compared to just 16 for the 2023 HS class...so that class wasn't seen as bad it was seen as more average and then eventually was seen as bad once you got into the college season when no one outside the big 3 (Ant/Wise/Melo) stepped up, which is why you had teams reaching on crap players like Williams/Okoro because they were buying in on the archetype not the player themselves.

[clyde21]

this class will be good. really good. i don't expect anybody to agree with me right now, but i want to get it on record.

who are your top 5 for the class and where are you taking them in 2023 if they we in this one?

[SeattleJazzFan]

this class will be good. really good. i don't expect anybody to agree with me right now, but i want to get it on record.

who are your top 5 for the class and where are you taking them in 2023 if they we in this one?

my top 6 are Collier, Stewart, Holland, Edwards, Wagner and Walter. But i think McCain and Castle have a chance to be special as well. Biliew, Stojakovic, Sheppard, Power, and Cane are a few others i've seen that wouldn't shock me to see break out and look really good at the next level. I haven't even mentioned buzelis - it would surprise me a bit if he looks legit going forward, but others seem to like him a lot, so throw his name in there too.

in terms of where i would take them in 2023, that's impossible to say at this point. I have to see the class play in the g league, college, ote, overseas, etc, to get a better idea of where they would land. but ask me next May where i would have taken them in 2023 and i'll give you a good answer.

my gut says my top 6 could all go top 10 in this draft. but keep in mind, i'm not that impressed by the thompson's, walker, bilal - i think this was one one of the weakest top 10s after first three in a long time. almost every prospect has significant warts and high bust potential. imo, wallace and hendricks are the two prospects without significant bust potential, but i feel like they are both limited in terms of ceiling. it's just not an impressive 4-10. black is the only guy outside the top 3 i feel comfortable with.

[clyde21]

this class will be good. really good. i don't expect anybody to agree with me right now, but i want to get it on record.

who are your top 5 for the class and where are you taking them in 2023 if they we in this one?

my top 6 are Collier, Stewart, Holland, Edwards, Wagner and Walter. But i think McCain and Castle have a chance to be special as well. Biliew, Stojakovic, Sheppard, Power, and Cane are a few others i've seen that wouldn't shock me to see break out and look really good at the next level. I haven't even mentioned buzelis - it would surprise me a bit if he looks legit going forward, but others seem to like him a lot, so throw his name in there too.

in terms of where i would take them in 2023, that's impossible to say at this point. I have to see the class play in the g league, college, ote, overseas, etc, to get a better idea of where they would land. but ask me next May where i would have taken them in 2023 and i'll give you a good answer.

my gut says my top 6 could all go top 10 in this draft. but keep in mind, i'm not that impressed by the thompson's, walker, bilal - i think this was one one of the weakest top 10s after first three in a long time. almost every prospect has significant warts and high bust potential. imo, wallace and hendricks are the two prospects without extremely high bust potential, but i feel like they are limited in terms of ceiling. it's just not an impressive 4-10.

but you said it's a really good class, how do you know it's a really good class if you dont even know how it compares to 2023?

[SeattleJazzFan]

who are your top 5 for the class and where are you taking them in 2023 if they we in this one?

my top 6 are Collier, Stewart, Holland, Edwards, Wagner and Walter. But i think McCain and Castle have a chance to be special as well. Biliew, Stojakovic, Sheppard, Power, and Cane are a few others i've seen that wouldn't shock me to see break out and look really good at the next level. I haven't even mentioned buzelis - it would surprise me a bit if he looks legit going forward, but others seem to like him a lot, so throw his name in there too.

in terms of where i would take them in 2023, that's impossible to say at this point. I have to see the class play in the g league, college, ote, overseas, etc, to get a better idea of where they would land. but ask me next May where i would have taken them in 2023 and i'll give you a good answer.

my gut says my top 6 could all go top 10 in this draft. but keep in mind, i'm not that impressed by the thompson's, walker, bilal - i think this was one one of the weakest top 10s after first three in a long time. almost every prospect has significant warts and high bust potential. imo, wallace and hendricks are the two prospects without extremely high bust potential, but i feel like they are limited in terms of ceiling. it's just not an impressive 4-10.

but you said it's a really good class, how do you know it's a really good class if you dont even know how it compares to 2023?

I said it will be really good - they still need to play at the next level before they are really good. and perhaps you missed my third paragraph where i compared it to 2023.

for the record, I don't KNOW - none of us do. i'm dumb, but i'm not dumb enough to profess to know anything that will happen in the future. it's a prediction - i could be wrong. hell, i don't KNOW if i'm going to wake up tomorrow morning, but i predict i will - i could be wrong.