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Post#961 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:16 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I would package Lillard and Nurkic for Simmons, Claxton, Clowney, Whitehead, 2027 Phoenix pick, 2028 Brooklyn pick, 2029 Phoenix pick.

Then S&T Grant for Dinwiddie, Thomas, Sharpe and 2025 Phoenix pick.

Lillard / Mills
Bridges / Harris / Sumner
Johnson / Finney-Smith
Grant / O'Neale
Nurkic /

Need to add a backup big behind Nurkic and a backup PG. Do they compete?


Simons / Scoot / Johnson
Sharpe / Thomas / Williams
Simmons / Little / Whitehead
Clowney / Murray / Walker
Claxton / Watford / Badji (2-way)

Waive Dinwiddie. Could be a fun team. I would probably look to move Simon's for a future pick.


If unprotected I want the 29 dallas pick from bkn
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Post#962 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:47 am

Case2012 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I do find it amusing that people assume Chicago would be interested in 23 for release of the restrictions
on future picks. In all realities, we don't know if that's correct and we don't know if that was ever offered
and rejected or not.

The thing is when other teams sense desperation, the rival GM's all become more like Masai (Toronto) and
they raise their prices accordingly. In my 46 years following this team, I've seen desperation moves from
the Calvin Natt trade in 1980, Kiki Vandeweghe (1984) and have also seen the reverse in 2012 when the
Nets made that horrible trade that led Dame to be a Blazer in the first place.

It takes a lot of patience but its my experience to avoid at all costs, the desperation moves. The Josh Hart
last year was a great trade for both the Knicks/Blazers. Whether Dame gets traded or not, he's going to be
fine


Chicago didn’t have a pick this year, it’s looking likely they’re going to rebuild, so having a pick this year would have been an obvious move especially with how likely it’s looking with this drama around Dame that the pick owed could turn into a second round pick in a few years easily. I don’t know why you find that amusing, it’s pretty straight forward. We have several seconds and young players we could have added to sweeten the deal. I guess you could look at it like, if they give us our pick back then we’d use them to get a star and get back into the playoffs but there’s no guarantee Cronin would be able to pull it off. It would signal to the fans and to Dame that we are least trying to position ourselves to make a deal should one become available though, instead of looking like a holes for lying to their franchise player and their fans. I don’t find it amusing at all, I’m pretty effing pissed off rn.


Don't take it so personally for Chicago's front office is also been historically difficult to deal with.

Teams when they have another team in the position that NO put the Blazers in, have been known to
drive a hard bargain when a team like Portland wants to make what is perceived to be a desperation
move. They might just ask Portland to remove all the protections on their 2024 pick, which in Portland's
case might be a lottery pick if the win now move doesn't work and Dame still asks out. Portland needs
them to cooperate and they have every right to ask for something for their cooperation.

This has happened before for Clyde Drexler was in a similar position with Portland, and the team took care
of him by sending him to Houston which got him two rings.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#963 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:53 am

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So far not much new out of the much talked about meeting that happened today.

Still seems to be pretty clear Dame is trying to give the team as much time as possible to do something... It seems likely he's just going to wait out FA to see if the Blazers can pull a rabbit out of its hat.
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Post#964 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:57 am

PDXKnight wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:I would package Lillard and Nurkic for Simmons, Claxton, Clowney, Whitehead, 2027 Phoenix pick, 2028 Brooklyn pick, 2029 Phoenix pick.

Then S&T Grant for Dinwiddie, Thomas, Sharpe and 2025 Phoenix pick.

Lillard / Mills
Bridges / Harris / Sumner
Johnson / Finney-Smith
Grant / O'Neale
Nurkic /

Need to add a backup big behind Nurkic and a backup PG. Do they compete?


Simons / Scoot / Johnson
Sharpe / Thomas / Williams
Simmons / Little / Whitehead
Clowney / Murray / Walker
Claxton / Watford / Badji (2-way)

Waive Dinwiddie. Could be a fun team. I would probably look to move Simon's for a future pick.


If unprotected I want the 29 dallas pick from bkn


I just picked a few. Could absolutely include the Dallas pick. Could maybe move Dinwiddie for a future pick (dunno if he would command a 1st or not) or young player.
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Post#965 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:19 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I would package Lillard and Nurkic for Simmons, Claxton, Clowney, Whitehead, 2027 Phoenix pick, 2028 Brooklyn pick, 2029 Phoenix pick.

Then S&T Grant for Dinwiddie, Thomas, Sharpe and 2025 Phoenix pick.

Lillard / Mills
Bridges / Harris / Sumner
Johnson / Finney-Smith
Grant / O'Neale
Nurkic /

Need to add a backup big behind Nurkic and a backup PG. Do they compete?


Simons / Scoot / Johnson
Sharpe / Thomas / Rupert / Williams
Simmons / Little / Whitehead
Clowney / Murray / Walker
Claxton / Watford / Badji (2-way)

Waive Dinwiddie. Could be a fun team. I would probably look to move Simon's for a future pick.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#966 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:38 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
PDXKnight wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:I would package Lillard and Nurkic for Simmons, Claxton, Clowney, Whitehead, 2027 Phoenix pick, 2028 Brooklyn pick, 2029 Phoenix pick.

Then S&T Grant for Dinwiddie, Thomas, Sharpe and 2025 Phoenix pick.

Lillard / Mills
Bridges / Harris / Sumner
Johnson / Finney-Smith
Grant / O'Neale
Nurkic /

Need to add a backup big behind Nurkic and a backup PG. Do they compete?


Simons / Scoot / Johnson
Sharpe / Thomas / Williams
Simmons / Little / Whitehead
Clowney / Murray / Walker
Claxton / Watford / Badji (2-way)

Waive Dinwiddie. Could be a fun team. I would probably look to move Simon's for a future pick.


If unprotected I want the 29 dallas pick from bkn


I just picked a few. Could absolutely include the Dallas pick. Could maybe move Dinwiddie for a future pick (dunno if he would command a 1st or not) or young player.


True. I do love this package much more than miami
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Post#967 » by Effigy » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:28 am

Case2012 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I do find it amusing that people assume Chicago would be interested in 23 for release of the restrictions
on future picks. In all realities, we don't know if that's correct and we don't know if that was ever offered
and rejected or not.

The thing is when other teams sense desperation, the rival GM's all become more like Masai (Toronto) and
they raise their prices accordingly. In my 46 years following this team, I've seen desperation moves from
the Calvin Natt trade in 1980, Kiki Vandeweghe (1984) and have also seen the reverse in 2012 when the
Nets made that horrible trade that led Dame to be a Blazer in the first place.

It takes a lot of patience but its my experience to avoid at all costs, the desperation moves. The Josh Hart
last year was a great trade for both the Knicks/Blazers. Whether Dame gets traded or not, he's going to be
fine


Chicago didn’t have a pick this year, it’s looking likely they’re going to rebuild, so having a pick this year would have been an obvious move especially with how likely it’s looking with this drama around Dame that the pick owed could turn into a second round pick in a few years easily. I don’t know why you find that amusing, it’s pretty straight forward. We have several seconds and young players we could have added to sweeten the deal. I guess you could look at it like, if they give us our pick back then we’d use them to get a star and get back into the playoffs but there’s no guarantee Cronin would be able to pull it off. It would signal to the fans and to Dame that we are least trying to position ourselves to make a deal should one become available though, instead of looking like a holes for lying to their franchise player and their fans. I don’t find it amusing at all, I’m pretty effing pissed off rn.


I just don't get this thinking at all. Why would any of you want to put ourselves in a position where we can trade away our draft futures for the next 7 years? How many people would trade our entire team and situation for the Clippers? Or for Brooklyn? As soon as it's over for Durant and Embid, there will be dark days in Philly and Phoenix too. Trading away your draft is so incredibly stuipd and short-sighted. I love that we have that pick floating out there that keeps it from happening and that if we don't make the playoffs won't even have to be paid.
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Post#968 » by GEE » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:36 am

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So far not much new out of the much talked about meeting that happened today.

Still seems to be pretty clear Dame is trying to give the team as much time as possible to do something... It seems likely he's just going to wait out FA to see if the Blazers can pull a rabbit out of its hat.


Problem is, other teams aren't going to just sit around and wait to see what he decides. Time is a factor with negotiations with players opening in the 30th, players can be signed like a week later.

Another thing... Cronin's post meeting statement was noticeably textbook and vanilla. He said nothing. What was said between the two sides, we will never know. What I hope is that Cronin makes the decision for him if needed. Perhaps Cronin asked Dame how badly he wants to go to Miami (awkward), or maybe he asked him about his possible interest in joining other teams.

I think that if it is happening this year, it will happen quite soon. Still not sure though if Dame really has it in him... to go through with it, regardless of what direction Cronin takes this team in. Any change can be hard, and this would be a lot for him and his family. New city, new team and coaches, new media, etc, etc.
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Post#969 » by The Sebastian Express » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:17 am

I think the statement released was odd. My money's on right now it was done as a way to try to give Portland legitimate shot at free agents with the MLE and making trades with better standing and without people wondering 'will Dame leave even if I sign here?' etc, etc.

And then if that can't we'll probably see a trade. But I just found the whole statement odd.
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Post#970 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:29 am

JRoy wrote:
zzaj wrote:
Wizenheimer wrote:
* Donovan Mitchell was traded for Lauri Markkanen, Collin Sexton, Ochai Agbaji, three first round picks and two swaps, all unprotected

* Rudy Gobert was traded for Malik Beasely, Pat Beverly, Jared Vanderbilt, the rights to Walter Kessler (2022 1st), Four more first round picks, and a swap, all unprotected

* Kevin Durant was traded for Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder, four first round picks, and a swap, all unprotected

and you have the gall to come to a Blazer forum and say the Blazers would be happy to trade Damian Lillard, after the best year of his career, for the expiring contracts of Dinwiddie and Harris, plus two first round picks, maybe protected, and a swap...and that the Nets would have the leverage to make Claxton untouchable in the trade

my first reaction is kind of like gtfo....

but I'll play and make a counter-proposal:

Lillard + maybe-Nurkic/maybe-Little

for Dinwiddie + Harris + Claxton + Rights to Noah Clowney



PLUS:

* 2025 Phoenix first
* best of 2027 Phoenix and Philly first's
* 2028 Brooklyn first
* best of 2029 Dallas and Brooklyn first's

all unprotected....just like all the recent blockbuster trades. I was going to ask for the 2030 Brooklyn first but I figured that would cross the line from fair to too much


I'm thinking that:

Lillard + something

for

Claxton, rights to Clowney +3 FRP

is about the best the Blazers could possibly do if the Blazers are going for tear down.


Pass on another tiny one way sg.


I honestly have zero idea what you’re talking about.
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Post#971 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:31 am

Effigy wrote:
Case2012 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:I do find it amusing that people assume Chicago would be interested in 23 for release of the restrictions
on future picks. In all realities, we don't know if that's correct and we don't know if that was ever offered
and rejected or not.

The thing is when other teams sense desperation, the rival GM's all become more like Masai (Toronto) and
they raise their prices accordingly. In my 46 years following this team, I've seen desperation moves from
the Calvin Natt trade in 1980, Kiki Vandeweghe (1984) and have also seen the reverse in 2012 when the
Nets made that horrible trade that led Dame to be a Blazer in the first place.

It takes a lot of patience but its my experience to avoid at all costs, the desperation moves. The Josh Hart
last year was a great trade for both the Knicks/Blazers. Whether Dame gets traded or not, he's going to be
fine


Chicago didn’t have a pick this year, it’s looking likely they’re going to rebuild, so having a pick this year would have been an obvious move especially with how likely it’s looking with this drama around Dame that the pick owed could turn into a second round pick in a few years easily. I don’t know why you find that amusing, it’s pretty straight forward. We have several seconds and young players we could have added to sweeten the deal. I guess you could look at it like, if they give us our pick back then we’d use them to get a star and get back into the playoffs but there’s no guarantee Cronin would be able to pull it off. It would signal to the fans and to Dame that we are least trying to position ourselves to make a deal should one become available though, instead of looking like a holes for lying to their franchise player and their fans. I don’t find it amusing at all, I’m pretty effing pissed off rn.


I just don't get this thinking at all. Why would any of you want to put ourselves in a position where we can trade away our draft futures for the next 7 years? How many people would trade our entire team and situation for the Clippers? Or for Brooklyn? As soon as it's over for Durant and Embid, there will be dark days in Philly and Phoenix too. Trading away your draft is so incredibly stuipd and short-sighted. I love that we have that pick floating out there that keeps it from happening and that if we don't make the playoffs won't even have to be paid.


Chicago loses nothing if they drive a hard bargain for they can leverage a stupid team into removing
some of the protections on when the pick conveys.

Let's say Portland drops the protections on the FRP for the 2024 draft. That would allow Portland to give away
draft picks starting in 2025 in these mythical win now moves. Let's say the win now player cost is now
the usual picks/swaps + Sharpe or Scoot, just to build a team that perhaps reaches the second round
of the playoffs. That would be a disaster for Portland, just to please the hard core fans who have to win
right now for that win now player is not Giannis/Emblid
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Post#972 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:39 am

Here’s how I’m imagining the conversation probably went, in a nutshell:

Cronin: We’re trying our best to put a competitive team around you, but it takes two people to make a trade, and every trade that ended up available to us around draft time made us worse next season, and we know you don’t want that.

Lillard: Well, I can only control what I can control. I just want to have a legit shot in the POs. I don’t feel like rookies give me that chance.

Cronin: Well if you feel like your best shot at winning is with another, more experienced team, the best move you can make that is ‘in your control’ is to stay publicly committed to the Blazers so we can maintain some leverage in getting you where you need to go if we can’t get you some winning pieces by the trade deadline.

Lillard: Okay.

Cronin: Good talk.
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Post#973 » by HoopsFanAZ » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:04 am

It has filtered out pretty explicitly that conversations with Chicago have been had regarding resolving the pick owed them. That if a trade makes it necessary to pull the trigger to resolve the pick to Chicago, that that is already keyed up. It is obvious that wasn’t triggered during the draft or it would have happened — Nas … 2nd rounders … whatever has been in the conversations. It wasn’t in Portland’s interests or necessary.

And with 30 days after Scoot or Murray or Rupert signs their contract, their dollars can be added in a trade. So though that doesn’t often happen with draft picks or high draft picks, the Blazers’ lack of many contracts and talent to add makes it more viable to get a serious talent upgrade.

There isn’t a rush on Dame given the usually mentioned teams. In Brooklyn’s case, for instance, with teams wanting Cam Johnson, that could help Portland try to get him in a sign and trade in conjunction with another trade. I expect the situation of built-around-Dame (hurray!) versus No-Dame (drats!) to be resolved before the season starts. Less risk involved for everyone.

I also expect the various trade and signings during free agency to be pretty lined up for when that bell rings. July is good. Even July 9.
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Post#974 » by PDXKnight » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:28 am

zzaj wrote:Here’s how I’m imagining the conversation probably went, in a nutshell:

Cronin: We’re trying our best to put a competitive team around you, but it takes two people to make a trade, and every trade that ended up available to us around draft time made us worse next season, and we know you don’t want that.

Lillard: Well, I can only control what I can control. I just want to have a legit shot in the POs. I don’t feel like rookies give me that chance.

Cronin: Well if you feel like your best shot at winning is with another, more experienced team, the best move you can make that is ‘in your control’ is to stay publicly committed to the Blazers so we can maintain some leverage in getting you where you need to go if we can’t get you some winning pieces by the trade deadline.

Lillard: Okay.

Cronin: Good talk.


I believe Portland still wants Dame to stick around or they likely would've dealt him on draft day or before. If Dame is wanting out I do hope it's private though, it's a win win situation "we get you to a preferred destination if you play it cool"
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Post#975 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:46 am

Does Portland have a shot at signing Green? That's the name I kept hearing on the radio that Lillard wants, along with Grant. Does that do it for Lillard? If Lillard is really buddies with Green, then he knows whether Green intends to sign with the Warriors or not. To sign Green, it would have to involve a S&T and Simons would need to go to a third team with either capspace or someone of value to the Warriors. I'm just not seeing a way of making the Blazers a contender as currently constructed.
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Post#976 » by GEE » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:04 pm

I'm just pointing out Cronin's statement of, "We remain commited to building a ""winner"" around Dame", is not the same as, we intend to win now. A very empty statement IMO. I think that it's 100% business at this point, because Cronin's job performance is being evaluated most during times like these. I just don't think Cronin will be as patient with Dame as some might think. Dame has a choice to make, and I think he may have til Friday to make it, or Cronin might make it for him.

Cronin has given zero indication, other than the intentional leaks like Portland going after Bam, that he plans to use assets to bring in Veterans. He may very well have tried, but I don't think he tried very hard, and had all intentions to move on with the youth. Basicly Cronin is telling a half-truth with that statement.

Regardless, I think the reality is that Cronin can saw there was no move out there that's bringing back the neccesary talent, even if Cronin had given up all 3 of our rookies along with Simons and Sharpe, that still wasn't enough to bring in the level of talent needed to assemble a championship level competitor. This imagine is what Cronin told Dame. We tried, but we just couldn't acquire a top 10-15 player... and we possibly would have needed to land two of them.

So sorry Dame, but your championship dreams of winning one for Portland won't be happening, so now what? This was likely the major topic that was discussed. Ultimately I think Dame can stay or go... Balls in his court... but his choice should be now if he wants to try and win a championship elsewhere. Those oportunities are ripe for the taking right now, but many teams will not wait for Dame to take his sweet time. I think he will need to decide before free agency begins on the 30th.

The big decision is this: Does Dame want to win a championship, or does he want to remain in Portland? I don't think he can have both.
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Post#977 » by JKiddy » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:35 pm

This is just a bad situation altogether.

POR can't bring in vets to help Dame. Dame can't wait for the vets to come. He is going to be 33 and has 2 amazing years and 2 very solid years left before he likely hangs them up.

I can see him coming back to Portland in Year 5 and playing a key role to help POR have a nice playoff push in 2027-28 (if he leaves).

This is all in Dame's hands. But, the assets you will receive back for a player demanding a trade at age 33 with only two teams on his list will not be even close to the haul that Minnesota gave up for Gobert (horrible trade) or what the Suns gave up for KD (insane deal by a new owner who wanted to go all-in).

There are no teams on his two team list that will go all in on him. The Heat do not have the assets. The Nets do not have the desire to blow their entire youth or pick load now after the BOSTON trade debilitated their franchise.

Danny Ainge is to blame here just as much as Dame and Cronin are.

I truly believe this all comes back to Shaedon Sharpe in the deal. I think you would have gotten a stud to pair with Dame if that deal went through on draft night.

The Nets and Heat are not going to give up the players Dame wants to pair with or their biggest assets in your or picks. But, I can see you get a pick load from BK (maybe 3 picks) plus certain players who are young or will expire to give POR the freedom to move on completely very quickly.
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Post#978 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:21 pm

At this point, I just want the Dame stuff done.

This whole situation seems to be shaping up to be a lot like the Durant situation. Assuming Cronin doesn’t just sit on his hands this summer where he just resigns his guys and that’s it, I think Dame probably does start the season in Portland like he said he would. But if they’re in a position where they’re gonna tank for a third year in a row, that’s where I think both sides have the agreement of a trade.
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Post#979 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:48 pm

Jkiddy might be interested in what ESPN suggested what Brooklyn would offer which is:

Dame, Nurk for

Claxton, Dinwiddie, Harris, O'Neal

2025 FRP Phoenix
2027 FRP Phoenix
2029 FRP Phoenix (top 3 protected_

While they said Miami could offer for just Dame

Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Jacquez,

2028, 2030 FRP with a 2029 swap
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Post#980 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:02 pm

DusterBuster wrote:At this point, I just want the Dame stuff done.

This whole situation seems to be shaping up to be a lot like the Durant situation. Assuming Cronin doesn’t just sit on his hands this summer where he just resigns his guys and that’s it, I think Dame probably does start the season in Portland like he said he would. But if they’re in a position where they’re gonna tank for a third year in a row, that’s where I think both sides have the agreement of a trade.


It's going to take some time for this all to be resolved.

First up is our first look at Scoot in the summer league. If he hits the ground running, it might ease Cronin's
hand on how to proceed.

I would find it difficult to believe Portland even if they had cap space, would be able to sign Green
and he'd be a terrible fit if the team ultimately decides to go with Scoot/Sharpe. The animosity between
the GSW and Portland front offices over GP2, likely precludes a sign and trade deal.

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