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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#241 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:29 am

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He apparently doesn't realize the culture of consistent intensity and D is supposed to be going from him to the Jays instead.

Bringing intensity/D/energy in a game every time you step on the floor (which Walsh can do) is just a component in building a winning culture. I understand his sentiment. The guy's a 2nd round rookie. Let's temper our expectations here.

I think everyone here has realistic expectations for Walsh. No one is saying he's gonna be a star. Everyone just thinks he's a guy who can bring intensity/D/energy - which you even said he can do..

cloverleaf misread/misinterpreted his quote. Walsh was saying he was gonna look up to the Jays to learn winning culture/mentality. He somehow equated it to bringing intensity/D.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#242 » by jordb2k7 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:52 am

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I'm already a fan of this kid. He'll bring Smart's defense on the court and Grant's loquacity and enthusiasm off it. A 2-for-1 trade.


He comes off extremely well here. Even my wife is a fan and hopes this works out. Very likable I hope we got a good one here.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#243 » by ThePigeon » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:26 am

Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#244 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:44 am

ThePigeon wrote:Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!

You can thank me for the two pages of KP posts lol. And I'm not even that big of a fan of the acquisition (without another big move).
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#245 » by Theocy » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:51 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!

You can thank me for the two pages of KP posts lol. And I'm not even that big of a fan of the acquisition (without another big move).


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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#246 » by ThePigeon » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:20 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!

You can thank me for the two pages of KP posts lol. And I'm not even that big of a fan of the acquisition (without another big move).


Agree
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#247 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:18 pm

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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#248 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:17 pm

The more I watch of him the more I like him.

Long term I think he could be a true 1-4 or even 1-5 defender. 8'11 standing reach and 7'2 wingspan is enough to switch onto most centers when he adds strength. If he can become a serviceable three point shooter he'll have a very long career as a rotation player on teams trying to win, even a starter. Thing more athletic Jae Crowder, or a Herb Jones type. If he can't then I think he'll at leats be an energy guy off the bench.

This year he at least has a skill set the other c's bench guys don't have, which is an energy defensive specialist. That gives him a chance to get some minutes. Brogdon, PP, Hauser can all shoot but none are better than okay defenders. Given the c's shooting at center they can probably get away with lineups this year where Walsh is a center offensively (cutting, oReb's) but a wing on defense if they want to.

C's are 9 guys deep currently, but injuries always strike. He might get a shot to play. Hopefully they an develop him, he seems likeable enough.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#249 » by shackles10 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:39 pm

Theocy wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!

You can thank me for the two pages of KP posts lol. And I'm not even that big of a fan of the acquisition (without another big move).


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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#250 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:10 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:The more I watch of him the more I like him.

Long term I think he could be a true 1-4 or even 1-5 defender. 8'11 standing reach and 7'2 wingspan is enough to switch onto most centers when he adds strength. If he can become a serviceable three point shooter he'll have a very long career as a rotation player on teams trying to win, even a starter. Thing more athletic Jae Crowder, or a Herb Jones type. If he can't then I think he'll at leats be an energy guy off the bench.


Yeah and Herb Jones only shoots 33% from 3. I think Walsh will be able to get there (or even get a little higher than that). It just make take a year or 2..
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#251 » by itrsteve » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:51 pm

ThePigeon wrote:Celtics Realgm Forum is amazing
The kid looks and talks great
But right now we have 13 pages talking about a second round rookie who will probably get a few minutes a game if he/we are lucky and 8 pages talking about Porzingis who should be the most important addition to the squad

I love this forum!


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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#252 » by Smeff10 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:40 pm

Why was this guy drafted so low? Physically he looks like the real deal. Dunks with authority too.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#253 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:55 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
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zoyathedestroya wrote:Bringing intensity/D/energy in a game every time you step on the floor (which Walsh can do) is just a component in building a winning culture. I understand his sentiment. The guy's a 2nd round rookie. Let's temper our expectations here.

I think everyone here has realistic expectations for Walsh. No one is saying he's gonna be a star. Everyone just thinks he's a guy who can bring intensity/D/energy - which you even said he can do..

cloverleaf misread/misinterpreted his quote. Walsh was saying he was gonna look up to the Jays to learn winning culture/mentality. He somehow equated it to bringing intensity/D.


No, cloverleaf didn't misread or misinterpret his quote. I was merely pointing out the irony of a rook saying he will look to his new team's stars to learn how to win, when that's exactly what many people think is missing with said stars, with this rook brought in because he reportedly has the dog in him that the stars appear to lack.

For this team especially, consistent intensity and D is in fact what is needed to actually establish a winning culture/mentality.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#254 » by darrendaye » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:05 pm

I was today years old when I learned Ramon Sessions is now a player's agent.

https://www.si.com/nba/celtics/top-stories/jordan-walshs-agent-former-nba-guard-ramon-sessions-challenges-celtics-rookie

Jordan hopefully will be spending more of his off time building muscle in the next two years and slightly less unsheathing his sword in his smurfs cap on twitch. (No, I'm not REALLY bashing the social media/gaming thing here). But he should definitely hit the weight-room hard. Love his quick hands and mental engagement on defense, but will need to be able to handle contact if we're truly thinking upper tier defender.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#255 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:06 pm

Smeff10 wrote:Why was this guy drafted so low? Physically he looks like the real deal. Dunks with authority too.

Because he's a non-big who only shot 28% from 3 and only averaged like 7 PPG. Although, those numbers really aren't that far off at all from Scottie Barnes numbers in college.

But Barnes had an insanely high assist %..but he also played for a college coach who did a better job of utilizing him..

I don't think Walsh should have gone as low as he did. He was the #29 prospect on my big board. These guys had him ranked 27th:

https://theswishtheory.com/nba-draft-guide/

And this draft class was kind of wild, in that picks 11 through 45 or so (hell even 57 when you look at where TJD got picked) are fairly interchangeable. Honestly not a whole lot of separation between a lot of these guys.

I had Walsh ranked higher than Jaquez, who Miami drafted 18th.
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Post#256 » by Dogen » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:46 pm

Smeff10 wrote:Why was this guy drafted so low? Physically he looks like the real deal. Dunks with authority too.


The "official" story seems to be that he doesn't have much offensive game, or at least too poor a 3pt shooter to warrant a higher pick.

In Walsh's words, the handcuffs are now off (from Razorback system where he was more of a 3/4th option), so we'll see how it goes. He looks like he can move with the ball and pass quite well.

On a more superficial level, I can't help but think -- after reading comments about the pick on RealGm and Twitter -- that people just have some ignorant bias against Walsh because of the way he looks. All the Charlie Villanueva comments, for example. He has alopecia. He's thin, gangly, and kind of nerdy. He was out in Brandon, MO working on his game and is more of an introvert off the court in a league where young players are continually trying to build their brand and get personal recognition.

Look at the green room scene at the draft -- a fashion show. Jordan stayed home with his family. Would he have shown up wearing his knit cap and cotton sweatshirt if he was invited?

We might think, "certainly the league GM's are concerned with character and talent", well sure, to a certain degree. But it's also a popularity contest. G-League highlights can often trump college sacrifice and team play.

The Celtics had this guy in for two workouts. He wanted to come back. They saw something in him. I had some of the same bias when I first saw the clips, but then dug in more and was increasingly sold on the pick.

This dude is going to be awesome for us. We'll see it in real time.

I'm having fun, rant almost over. Three predictions by end of Walsh's second season:

1. About 20 NBA GM's in the league are going to be slapping their foreheads, "What was I thinking"? (if they still have jobs, that is)
2. Jordan Walsh is going to make some of these guys (I see you, Grady Dick) wish they had spent more time in the gym than in the wardrobe closet once Walsh starts shutting down their fashion show.
3. The Celtic fanbase is going to be enamored with Walsh. He's going to quickly transform from a curiosity into one of the classic Celtic fan favorites. Teammates will feel the same.

Extra credit prediction: When fans and influencers are all shouting to get the rookie extension done asap, Brad Stevens is going to quietly stand there, as usual, arms folded with that **** eating grin on his face. He knew it all along, folks.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Jordan Walsh! 

Post#257 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:07 pm

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Smeff10 wrote:Why was this guy drafted so low? Physically he looks like the real deal. Dunks with authority too.


The "official" story seems to be that he doesn't have much offensive game, or at least too poor a 3pt shooter to warrant a higher pick.

In Walsh's words, the handcuffs are now off (from Razorback system where he was more of a 3/4th option), so we'll see how it goes. He looks like he can move with the ball and pass quite well.

On a more superficial level, I can't help but think -- after reading comments about the pick on RealGm and Twitter -- that people just have some ignorant bias against Walsh because of the way he looks. All the Charlie Villanueva comments, for example. He has alopecia. He's thin, gangly, and kind of nerdy. He was out in Brandon, MO working on his game and is more of an introvert off the court in a league where young players are continually trying to build their brand and get personal recognition.

Look at the green room scene at the draft -- a fashion show. Jordan stayed home with his family. Would he have shown up wearing his knit cap and cotton sweatshirt if he was invited?

We might think, "certainly the league GM's are concerned with character and talent", well sure, to a certain degree. But it's also a popularity contest. G-League highlights can often trump college sacrifice and team play.

The Celtics had this guy in for two workouts. He wanted to come back. They saw something in him. I had some of the same bias when I first saw the clips, but then dug in more and was increasingly sold on the pick.

This dude is going to be awesome for us. We'll see it in real time.

I'm having fun, rant almost over. Three predictions by end of Walsh's second season:

1. About 20 NBA GM's in the league are going to be slapping their foreheads, "What was I thinking"? (if they still have jobs, that is)
2. Jordan Walsh is going to make some of these guys (I see you, Grady Dick) wish they had spent more time in the gym than in the wardrobe closet once Walsh starts shutting down their fashion show.
3. The Celtic fanbase is going to be enamored with Walsh. He's going to quickly transform from a curiosity into one of the classic Celtic fan favorites. Teammates will feel the same.

Extra credit prediction: When fans and influencers are all shouting to get the rookie extension done asap, Brad Stevens is going to quietly stand there, as usual, arms folded with that **** eating grin on his face. He knew it all along, folks.

Agreed with all of that.

But people keep saying Walsh is skinny. I really don't think so. I think he's built pretty solid. Honestly, I wouldn't call him skinny. I also wouldn't say he's jacked out of his mind. I'd say he's normal wing size - especially for a dude who's only 19 (and pretty much all of the film we have on him playing basketball is from when he was only 18).
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Post#258 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:11 pm

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Post#259 » by Dogen » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:27 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Dogen wrote:
Smeff10 wrote:Why was this guy drafted so low? Physically he looks like the real deal. Dunks with authority too.


The "official" story seems to be that he doesn't have much offensive game, or at least too poor a 3pt shooter to warrant a higher pick.

In Walsh's words, the handcuffs are now off (from Razorback system where he was more of a 3/4th option), so we'll see how it goes. He looks like he can move with the ball and pass quite well.

On a more superficial level, I can't help but think -- after reading comments about the pick on RealGm and Twitter -- that people just have some ignorant bias against Walsh because of the way he looks. All the Charlie Villanueva comments, for example. He has alopecia. He's thin, gangly, and kind of nerdy. He was out in Brandon, MO working on his game and is more of an introvert off the court in a league where young players are continually trying to build their brand and get personal recognition.

Look at the green room scene at the draft -- a fashion show. Jordan stayed home with his family. Would he have shown up wearing his knit cap and cotton sweatshirt if he was invited?

We might think, "certainly the league GM's are concerned with character and talent", well sure, to a certain degree. But it's also a popularity contest. G-League highlights can often trump college sacrifice and team play.

The Celtics had this guy in for two workouts. He wanted to come back. They saw something in him. I had some of the same bias when I first saw the clips, but then dug in more and was increasingly sold on the pick.

This dude is going to be awesome for us. We'll see it in real time.

I'm having fun, rant almost over. Three predictions by end of Walsh's second season:

1. About 20 NBA GM's in the league are going to be slapping their foreheads, "What was I thinking"? (if they still have jobs, that is)
2. Jordan Walsh is going to make some of these guys (I see you, Grady Dick) wish they had spent more time in the gym than in the wardrobe closet once Walsh starts shutting down their fashion show.
3. The Celtic fanbase is going to be enamored with Walsh. He's going to quickly transform from a curiosity into one of the classic Celtic fan favorites. Teammates will feel the same.

Extra credit prediction: When fans and influencers are all shouting to get the rookie extension done asap, Brad Stevens is going to quietly stand there, as usual, arms folded with that **** eating grin on his face. He knew it all along, folks.

Agreed with all of that.

But people keep saying Walsh is skinny. I really don't think so. I think he's built pretty solid. Honestly, I wouldn't call him skinny. I also wouldn't say he's jacked out of his mind. I'd say he's normal wing size - especially for a dude who's only 19 (and pretty much all of the film we have on him playing basketball is from when he was only 18).


His wingspan and overall length accentuates the perception of him being skinny, to some degree. So he's not too thin, just wiry youthfulness, but there is enough frame there to add muscle for sure. He'll fill out gradually, perhaps relying more on tenacity than muscle.

Edit: I just watched the Bobby interview that Zoya posted above. Walsh already looks bigger. I guess a lot of those vids are from a year ago. A lot can change in a year when you're 18!
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Post#260 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:11 pm

Dogen wrote:On a more superficial level, I can't help but think -- after reading comments about the pick on RealGm and Twitter -- that people just have some ignorant bias against Walsh because of the way he looks. All the Charlie Villanueva comments, for example. He has alopecia. He's thin, gangly, and kind of nerdy. He was out in Brandon, MO working on his game and is more of an introvert off the court in a league where young players are continually trying to build their brand and get personal recognition.

I'll buy that. There's plenty of research that show conventionally attractive people have a significant edge during hiring processes (which is kind of what the draft is) and that they tend to get better reviews at work for similar production. So that means that people that don't fit that mold, like Walsh, get undervalued in comparison.

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