Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Eatgreenz]

Hmmm Interesting

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seems unlikely but the nets match up. they can give cleveland the same 3 FRPs they got from Utah the some combo of dinwiddie/dfs/royce/harris maybe with cam thomas. cleveland needs more outside shooting and garland/mitchell didnt fit well together.

Plus who knows if mitchell signs that extension, he seems to be really wanting to play in New York. We were on his list in the summer. Going to liberty games with Mikal and Mets game. Something could be happening.

[Netaman]

Plus who knows if mitchell signs that extension, he seems to be really wanting to play in New York. We were on his list in the summer. Going to liberty games with Mikal and Mets game. Something could be happening.

yep, i dont expect them to move on so quickly but it is the right move for cleveland to at least consider it. the fit wasn't good, they lost to the knicks, they know mitchell wants to be in nyc, and the window where the nets have an abundance of assets to trade could close as soon as dame says he wants out.

if they want to cash in mitchell they may be more on the clock than portland.

[CalamityX12]

Sign me up for any Donovan trade.....

However I was under the impression we could not attain Donovan while we had Ben Simmons on the team due to that rookie extension rule... or did a grace period end where they both can be on the same roster?

[CalamityX12]

Donovan and Mikail's window are the same too..... donovan's current contract has 3 seasons to go....

idk what we have that would entice CLE though... if we being honest...

First rd picks ok... but what else?Royce? DFS? have no young guy to give up/move

Maybe Cam Johnson of all people?

[Netaman]

Sign me up for any Donovan trade.....

However I was under the impression we could not attain Donovan while we had Ben Simmons on the team due to that rookie extension rule... or did a grace period end where they both can be on the same roster?

think they eliminated that rule in the new cba.

[Netaman]

Donovan and Mikail's window are the same too..... donovan's current contract has 3 seasons to go....

idk what we have that would entice CLE though... if we being honest...

First rd picks ok... but what else?Royce? DFS? have no young guy to give up/move

Maybe Cam Johnson of all people?

cam would complicate it because that's a s&t with byc.

picks would be the biggest enticement and then a bunch of other stuff. dfs, royce, even dinwiddie could seem useful to them. he can better fit a 6th man/secondary scoring role than mitchell/garland both being ball dominant. also gives them a little more size. maybe they like cam thomas?

to me it kind of comes down to this - do they want to keep mitchell? if they do then there's probably no deal that makes sense.

if they want to cash him in then the nets can probably make a better offer than the knicks. it's unlikely they will get full/fair value for him relative to what they paid though. if they trade him they have to go in knowing that.

[Netaman]

Sign me up for any Donovan trade.....

However I was under the impression we could not attain Donovan while we had Ben Simmons on the team due to that rookie extension rule... or did a grace period end where they both can be on the same roster?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-cba-101-everything-to-know-about-new-agreement-from-salary-cap-to-free-agency-and-beyond/

Speaking of the supermax, the new CBA does make one direct change that addresses it. In the past, teams were limited to only two players at each tier of supermax: the Rose Rule version that applied to younger players coming off of rookie contracts as well the designated veteran version for players with at least seven years of experience. This proved especially problematic in trade negotiations, as teams were forbidden from having multiple players on their roster with that Rose Rule designation if they did not draft at least one of them. This prevented the Boston Celtics from trading for Anthony Davis when they had Kyrie Irving, and it could have impacted trade negotiations involving Ben Simmons over the past two offseasons.

Those restrictions have been lifted, and teams are now free to give the supermax to any player that is eligible for it. This will prove especially beneficial to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Prior rules would have prevented them from giving Evan Mobley the five-year, Rose Rule supermax that he may qualify for after next season because Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell already have such contracts. Now, Cleveland can comfortably pay all three, and the rest of the league can trade for supermax players freely so long as doing so does not break any other CBA rules.

[CalamityX12]

Sign me up for any Donovan trade.....

However I was under the impression we could not attain Donovan while we had Ben Simmons on the team due to that rookie extension rule... or did a grace period end where they both can be on the same roster?

think they eliminated that rule in the new cba.

mother ****, they did????

damn it, 2 years too late! curses!

[CalamityX12]

Sign me up for any Donovan trade.....

However I was under the impression we could not attain Donovan while we had Ben Simmons on the team due to that rookie extension rule... or did a grace period end where they both can be on the same roster?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-cba-101-everything-to-know-about-new-agreement-from-salary-cap-to-free-agency-and-beyond/

Speaking of the supermax, the new CBA does make one direct change that addresses it. In the past, teams were limited to only two players at each tier of supermax: the Rose Rule version that applied to younger players coming off of rookie contracts as well the designated veteran version for players with at least seven years of experience. This proved especially problematic in trade negotiations, as teams were forbidden from having multiple players on their roster with that Rose Rule designation if they did not draft at least one of them. This prevented the Boston Celtics from trading for Anthony Davis when they had Kyrie Irving, and it could have impacted trade negotiations involving Ben Simmons over the past two offseasons.

Those restrictions have been lifted, and teams are now free to give the supermax to any player that is eligible for it. This will prove especially beneficial to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Prior rules would have prevented them from giving Evan Mobley the five-year, Rose Rule supermax that he may qualify for after next season because Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell already have such contracts. Now, Cleveland can comfortably pay all three, and the rest of the league can trade for supermax players freely so long as doing so does not break any other CBA rules.

Behold the future of player movement!!!!

[Netaman]

if cam johnson does walk i dont mind replacing him with bruce brown or grant williams on full MLE.

if cam johnson doesn't walk they could still have the full TPMLE to use but id imagine they are only getting brown or williams if they have a starting spot to offer. strus would be a solid option too.

obviously lose some shooting but they are good winning players and would be less than half the price (assuming Detroit has overpaid CJ beyond 25m per year).

[vincecarter4pres]

Man I’d kill for Mitchell in a Nets uniform next to Bridges for the next 6 seasons, trade anything not tied down for him.

[Born_Ready]

A Donovan Mitchell trade to Brooklyn would be amazing, however, I will be keeping all expectations to a minimum because if it doesn’t happen I won’t be upset.

[Tha King]

if cam johnson does walk i dont mind replacing him with bruce brown or grant williams on full MLE.

if cam johnson doesn't walk they could still have the full TPMLE to use but id imagine they are only getting brown or williams if they have a starting spot to offer. strus would be a solid option too.

obviously lose some shooting but they are good winning players and would be less than half the price (assuming Detroit has overpaid CJ beyond 25m per year).

I know Cam can space the floor which has value but I think Bruce is better.

[Tha King]

So Simmons and Mitchell can now be on the same team? That's very interesting. Last offseason a Mitchell trade to Brooklyn wasn't even realistic because of that (and also the uncertainty with KD).

The Nets need a player with his skillset and tbh it's somewhat the opposite with the Cavs. I really don't get why they traded for him because he's kinda in the way of Garland and with both Garland/Mitchell, you somewhat limit the development of Mobley offensively.

I don't think the Cavs will consider a trade unless Mitchell pushes things forward in that direction though

[Papi_swav]

I'd rather trade for Garland then Mitchell tbh

[vincecarter4pres]

I'd rather trade for Garland then Mitchell tbh

I mean yeah, but Cleveland is almost certainly not coming up off him.

[Netaman]

if cam johnson does walk i dont mind replacing him with bruce brown or grant williams on full MLE.

if cam johnson doesn't walk they could still have the full TPMLE to use but id imagine they are only getting brown or williams if they have a starting spot to offer. strus would be a solid option too.

obviously lose some shooting but they are good winning players and would be less than half the price (assuming Detroit has overpaid CJ beyond 25m per year).

I know Cam can space the floor which has value but I think Bruce is better.

brown is more dynamic. he can do more things, just doesnt have an elite skill like cam.

if we can get a tpe and pick for cam and then sign 1 of grant williams, brown, or strus to the TPMLE that would be a big win. all of those guys are quality role players and at half the price of cam would be steals.

[Netaman]

this puts pistons at $30m cap room. if nets are willing to match up to 25m. nba RFA is the stupidest thing.

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[Papi_swav]

I'd sign and trade CamJ to Pistons but we NEED a 1st round pick with little to no protections preferably their 2024 first. They have nothing else to offer. Their not trading Duran or any of their young guys. Burks or Stewart and a 1st for Cam J

[Netaman]

I'd sign and trade CamJ to Pistons but we NEED a 1st round pick with little to no protections preferably their 2024 first. They have nothing else to offer. Their not trading Duran or any of their young guys. Burks or Stewart and a 1st for Cam J

i would take a TPE and next year's 1 with like top 3 protection.

the knicks own their pick top 14 protected i think, so the nets would own their pick #4-14. otherwise it punts to a future draft with top 3 protection until it conveys.

the TPE would give nets another 12m+ trade exception.