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Post#981 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:24 pm

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Post#982 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:32 pm

DusterBuster wrote:At this point, I just want the Dame stuff done.

This whole situation seems to be shaping up to be a lot like the Durant situation. Assuming Cronin doesn’t just sit on his hands this summer where he just resigns his guys and that’s it, I think Dame probably does start the season in Portland like he said he would. But if they’re in a position where they’re gonna tank for a third year in a row, that’s where I think both sides have the agreement of a trade.


I get why you're tired of the drama, I am too. As the drama drags on there is a never-ending tsunami of dumb tweets and stupid posts we have to wade thru to get to any interesting discussion.

but right from the beginning of the Dame saga, which started in 2021, right after the dismal failure against the Nuggets in the playoffs, I think Dame directed his ire at two targets: Olshey first, and Jody & The Vulcans 2nd

I think Dame detested Olshey, or at the very least, didn't trust him at all. That's why he twice went over Olshey's head to Paul Allen asking about the franchise direction. Portland got beat by Denver when it had never been more obvious how dysfunctional and ineffective the roster was around Dame. And Olshey's response to that failure was to trade a 7-year obligated 1st round pick for the often-injured Nance. No change in the starting lineup that had failed so dramatically. Just a single reshuffle of the bench. Dame's abdomen finally failed the next season and he had to have season ending surgery; otherwise we may have had the current drama a year ago

Cronin was already on the Blazers when Dame arrived. In fact, along with Chad Buchanen, it was they who had targeted Dame as the primary target when Dame was at Weber State. IIRC, when Buchanen talked about trading Gerald Wallace for a draft pick and mentioned Cornin's name it was the first time I heard it. I'm assuming Cronin and Dame have a long-standing relationship, and by all accounts it's solid. Meaning that I don't think Dame's actions are as directed at Cronin as they are at Seattle. At the cost-cutting-penny-pinching-tax-allergic moves that are so apparent in nature and so predictive of losing talent and leverage as a result

everybody seems to think it's a game of chicken between Cronin and Dame. I think it's between the Vulcans and Dame, and Cronin is kind of caught in the crossfire. And that's a really bad position for a first time GM who hasn't had the leverage of good assets and doesn't have the experience of playing hardball with other GM's
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Post#983 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:48 pm

When you ignore all the drama that unconnected hacks in the media throw out there to drive their viewership numbers, there really isn't a lot of actual drama coming from Dame and his camp. They want the same thing the fans and front-office want - a good team. How we get there may not be as direct as they want but that is still the goal and we don't have a magic bullet trade available that solves all our issues and gets us where we need to go. The type of players we need just aren't available right now. And its better to wait than to blow all our assets trading for the type of player below what we need.
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Post#984 » by Tim Lehrbach » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:15 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:When you ignore all the drama that unconnected hacks in the media throw out there to drive their viewership numbers, there really isn't a lot of actual drama coming from Dame and his camp. They want the same thing the fans and front-office want - a good team. How we get there may not be as direct as they want but that is still the goal and we don't have a magic bullet trade available that solves all our issues and gets us where we need to go. The type of players we need just aren't available right now. And its better to wait than to blow all our assets trading for the type of player below what we need.


Came here to post basically this. There's no drama unless you're looking for it in tweets, articles, and forum discussions. I'm not tired of having Dame on the Blazers, nor tired of the team trying to build the best possible foundation for success. If these are in conflict, I think all parties are doing well to keep it in-house. All the media noise and forum banter are just those and not any real issue dividing or hurting the Blazers.
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Post#985 » by mojomarc » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:57 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:When you ignore all the drama that unconnected hacks in the media throw out there to drive their viewership numbers, there really isn't a lot of actual drama coming from Dame and his camp. They want the same thing the fans and front-office want - a good team. How we get there may not be as direct as they want but that is still the goal and we don't have a magic bullet trade available that solves all our issues and gets us where we need to go. The type of players we need just aren't available right now. And its better to wait than to blow all our assets trading for the type of player below what we need.


Came here to post basically this. There's no drama unless you're looking for it in tweets, articles, and forum discussions. I'm not tired of having Dame on the Blazers, nor tired of the team trying to build the best possible foundation for success. If these are in conflict, I think all parties are doing well to keep it in-house. All the media noise and forum banter are just those and not any real issue dividing or hurting the Blazers.


Every year everyone outside of Portland wonders how a player of Dame's caliber can stay in Portland. Every year they speculate he wants out. Every year, Dame gives no significant indication he wants out. This year is slightly different in that he has suggested he might not want to be part of a rebuild. But we have no idea if that means he pulls a Barry Sanders and just hangs 'em up at the top of his game, or if he asks for a trade, or if he takes more of a front seat as a Lebron-style pseudo GM. But the noise is the same.
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Post#986 » by DarkXaero » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:57 pm

Hey guys, Nets fan here. What is the interest in moving Simons and what could that look like from Nets perspective? I understand that there are two options for Blazers right now. Either they put a better team around Dame or they trade Dame away and go into rebuilding mode. I think Nets can help in either scenario with move for Simons, I just wonder what that looks like, in your minds.
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Post#987 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:13 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:When you ignore all the drama that unconnected hacks in the media throw out there to drive their viewership numbers, there really isn't a lot of actual drama coming from Dame and his camp. They want the same thing the fans and front-office want - a good team. How we get there may not be as direct as they want but that is still the goal and we don't have a magic bullet trade available that solves all our issues and gets us where we need to go. The type of players we need just aren't available right now. And its better to wait than to blow all our assets trading for the type of player below what we need.


yep

something else: if you remember about 3 weeks ago or so, Dame was giving an interview with some guy. The interviewer asked Dame something like "of the 3 teams rumored to be interested in you, which would you prefer of Boston, Brookly, Miami?" All Dame said, essentially, was Miami and Brookly because Adebayo and bridges were his firend..his "dogs". He was then asked if he though he'd be a Blazer when the season started, and he said "Yes, I do"

that part about being a Blazers got completely lost in the meassive distortions over that Dame said and the context involved in what he said. Miami and Brookly honks came crawling out of the woodwork with a blizzard of idiocy. National pundits ginned up the frenzy, and also starter implying Dame was an ass fro not demanding a trade immediately

Dame, realizing what was happening, made a point to come out and clarify what he said. He emphasized that he thought he's still be a Blazer in October. It didn't matter of course, media being what it is and twitter being the cesspool it is. But keep this in mind: has anybody heard a single statement by Dame since then? even one? That was weeks ago so all of the hubbub and angst and speculation was just the internet echo chamber doing it's despicable thing

"Dame will demand a trade before the draft"

"Dame will demand a trade if Portland doesn't trade the pick"

"Dame will demand a trade a trade if the Blazers don't make a trade before draft day is over"

"Dame will demand a trade real soon not that Portland has used all their picks on prospects"

"Dame will demand a trade when he comes back from Paris"

"Dame will demand a trade when the meeting with Cronin is over"


and now it has become:

"Dame will demand a trade at the end of free agency if the Blazers don't do something major"

to

"Dame will demand a trade within a couple of weeks after free agency if Portland doesn't do something"

and of course:

"Dame will demand a trade sometime this summer"

I might be detecting a pattern

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Post#988 » by GEE » Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:54 pm

PTI's leading story today, so It's not just some scrub Pod-cast dorks talking about Dame. Tony Kornheiser summed the whole thing up pretty well I think, and I'll just leave things here for the next few days... He says that if Dame is happy just playing his days out in Portland than that's just fine, but also thinks that it would be better for Dame, and better for the Blazers team, for him to ask out. My feelings in a nut shell.
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Post#989 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:06 pm

GEE wrote:PTI's leading story today, so It's not just some scrub Pod-cast dorks talking about Dame. Tony Kornheiser summed the whole thing up pretty well I think, and I'll just leave things here for the next few days... He says that if Dame is happy just playing his days out in Portland than that's just fine, but also thinks that it would be better for Dame, and better for the Blazers team, for him to ask out. My feelings in a nut shell.


Mine as well, I probably would prefer we trade him because I believe that's was best for him and the franchise. However, if he wants to stay then fine, but stay with the reality that Cronin or whoever is GM makes the decisions about what's best for the franchise going forward based on team needs and not necessarily about winning now. If he is good with that then fine.
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Post#990 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:15 pm

Gee, or anybody...can you give me one, good non-opinionated reason why it would be "better for the Blazers team, for [Lillard] to ask out."?

If the Blazers keep Lillard to the end of his contract, they might suck. If the Blazers trade Lillard, they are going to suck. The next two drafts are apparently full of suck.

For every positive to trading him away, there is a 'Sharpe and Scoot lose a valuable mentor'. It literally doesn't matter. It's all what you personally want them to do. Rebuilding now or in the next 3 years isn't better for Lillard if he wants to stay, or the team.
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Post#991 » by Norm2953 » Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:12 pm

It's generally felt, a guy like Scoot has to have the ball as the PG from day 1, for he is a guy
who offensively attacks the ball at every opportunity. He really can't play off the ball with
Dame with his so so jumper.

Keeping Dame as a mentor is a possibility but he's going to make $45 million in 23/24 and
$48 million in 24/25 and that's a lot of money for a mentor.

Interesting thoughts about the 2024 draft. Looking at the draft field, its the opposite of the
2023 draft, which was loaded with wings for there could be six 7 footers that might go in
the first round and a lot more size than most drafts. It might be the season of the
International players dominating the first round.
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Post#992 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:18 pm

Matas is in a tier of his own IMHO for the 2024 draft. Kid looks like Franz Wagner with a bit of AK47 mixed in.
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Post#993 » by zzaj » Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:28 pm

Norm2953 wrote:It's generally felt, a guy like Scoot has to have the ball as the PG from day 1, for he is a guy
who offensively attacks the ball at every opportunity. He really can't play off the ball with
Dame with his so so jumper.

Keeping Dame as a mentor is a possibility but he's going to make $45 million in 23/24 and
$48 million in 24/25 and that's a lot of money for a mentor.

Interesting thoughts about the 2024 draft. Looking at the draft field, its the opposite of the
2023 draft, which was loaded with wings for there could be six 7 footers that might go in
the first round and a lot more size than most drafts. It might be the season of the
International players dominating the first round.


If Lillard is having seasons like he did last season and providing good mentorship to Scoot, I don't see how that's worse for the Blazers or Lillard if the Blazers are doing well enough to make the POs. It might be worse for Scoot, or it might not...nobody knows that answer.

As for the draft, I'm just going off of what the general consensus seems to be--weak overall. Honestly, I haven't even looked at 2025 yet...
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Post#994 » by DusterBuster » Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:36 am

With Cam Johnson looking to cash in on a deal worth 100m, I think we can officially end the debate if Simons would have gotten 100m from another team. He absolutely would have. The 4y/25m deal is becoming pretty common for younger players with solid upside. Simons is absolutely fairly paid given his age and production.
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Post#995 » by PDXKnight » Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:55 am

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Post#996 » by JasonStern » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:17 am

Honestly surprised nobody ever mentions Utah as a potential for Weber State legend Damian Lillard. They have picks. He'd be a great fit with Lauri. Probably just because Utah is a fellow small market team, and that doesn't drive ad clicks.
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Post#997 » by Butter » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:23 am

JasonStern wrote:Honestly surprised nobody ever mentions Utah as a potential for Weber State legend Damian Lillard. They have picks. He'd be a great fit with Lauri. Probably just because Utah is a fellow small market team, and that doesn't drive ad clicks.


Interesting you mention that. On one of the podcasts today, they kept going round and round about the Jazz draft and then adding Collins. They now have a LOT of front court depth.

Is there a Dame trade for picks and a big man?
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Post#998 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:27 am

JasonStern wrote:Honestly surprised nobody ever mentions Utah as a potential for Weber State legend Damian Lillard. They have picks. He'd be a great fit with Lauri. Probably just because Utah is a fellow small market team, and that doesn't drive ad clicks.


Honestly, Dame to Utah for picks leaves them with a much better team than we currently are fielding.

Dame / Agbaji / Lauri / Collins / Kessler

w/ Sexton, Dunn, George, Hendricks, Brice, Olynyk, and if they wanted some FA Vets off the bench.

That is a dangerous team, especially if Lauri retains his 23 production and Collins regains his shot outside the dribble-drible-Young show.
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Post#999 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:31 am

DusterBuster wrote:With Cam Johnson looking to cash in on a deal worth 100m, I think we can officially end the debate if Simons would have gotten 100m from another team. He absolutely would have. The 4y/25m deal is becoming pretty common for younger players with solid upside. Simons is absolutely fairly paid given his age and production.


I don't agree at all

there were no teams with cap-space last summer that would have given him that kind of money. Only about 4 teams had enough space and they were already loaded at guard
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Post#1000 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:38 am

as for Utah, I don't think there's a chance Ainge has done all that he has to turn around and use the assets on a 33 year old PG. It just doesn't seem realistic from their POV

and I'd be almost certain the Blazers would never trade Dame within division

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