Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

[zzaj]

I see Valanciunas is now on the block. As I posted a couple weeks ago, he’d be an upgrade over Nurkic, both in production and games played. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed—especially trading with NO.

[PDXKnight]

I see Valanciunas is now on the block. As I posted a couple weeks ago, he’d be an upgrade over Nurkic, both in production and games played. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed—especially trading with NO.

I think the Scoot window has closed and i wouldn't have dealt Scoot for him anyhow. But I do like Val along with vuc as possible c upgrades

[DusterBuster]

With Cam Johnson looking to cash in on a deal worth 100m, I think we can officially end the debate if Simons would have gotten 100m from another team. He absolutely would have. The 4y/25m deal is becoming pretty common for younger players with solid upside. Simons is absolutely fairly paid given his age and production.

I don't agree at all

there were no teams with cap-space last summer that would have given him that kind of money. Only about 4 teams had enough space and they were already loaded at guard

Not something I care to argue much about when it’s pretty clear that’s the going rate for young players who look to be starting quality players after their rookie deal. The list goes on and on for guys of Ant’s caliber getting this as a pretty generic 2nd contract.

It’s a market value deal. Not overpaid, not underpaid.

[DusterBuster]

I see Valanciunas is now on the block. As I posted a couple weeks ago, he’d be an upgrade over Nurkic, both in production and games played. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed—especially trading with NO.

Valacunins isn’t that far off of Nurkic… I know, godforbid we say anything nice about Blazer players.

The league is largely going away from these types of Cs. So I don’t see much of an upgrade from Nurk to Val.

My opinion would be to package Simons and Nurk plus picks for a SF like DeRozen, then use MLE to sign Plumlee.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I love Riley in terms of what he's done in his career but man he feels like a used car salesman when he's waiting like a shark to take our superstar for table scraps

I do wonder how much of the recent media blitz on Dame has come from their camp trying to stir the pot and get people talking...

[DusterBuster]

Honestly surprised nobody ever mentions Utah as a potential for Weber State legend Damian Lillard. They have picks. He'd be a great fit with Lauri. Probably just because Utah is a fellow small market team, and that doesn't drive ad clicks.

Would love those Minny picks, but I can’t see Ainge wanting Dame.

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[Norm2953]

Honestly surprised nobody ever mentions Utah as a potential for Weber State legend Damian Lillard. They have picks. He'd be a great fit with Lauri. Probably just because Utah is a fellow small market team, and that doesn't drive ad clicks.

Honestly, Dame to Utah for picks leaves them with a much better team than we currently are fielding.

Dame / Agbaji / Lauri / Collins / Kessler

w/ Sexton, Dunn, George, Hendricks, Brice, Olynyk, and if they wanted some FA Vets off the bench.

That is a dangerous team, especially if Lauri retains his 23 production and Collins regains his shot outside the dribble-drible-Young show.

I've written about this on the trade forum and it was agreed with the Utah members that perhaps 4 years ago
it would be consideration but not in 2023 with Dame turning 33

[DusterBuster]

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I would love it if they could get Capela some how. He’s a great replacement for Nurk imo.

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

With Cam Johnson looking to cash in on a deal worth 100m, I think we can officially end the debate if Simons would have gotten 100m from another team. He absolutely would have. The 4y/25m deal is becoming pretty common for younger players with solid upside. Simons is absolutely fairly paid given his age and production.

I don't agree at all

there were no teams with cap-space last summer that would have given him that kind of money. Only about 4 teams had enough space and they were already loaded at guard

Not something I care to argue much about when it’s pretty clear that’s the going rate for young players who look to be starting quality players after their rookie deal. The list goes on and on for guys of Ant’s caliber getting this as a pretty generic 2nd contract.

It’s a market value deal. Not overpaid, not underpaid.

I get that, but I think there is a different market every summer depending on the number of teams with cap-space and the needs they have. Last summer, the 3 or 4 teams with 20M in cap-space didn't need guards, especially guards with very limited versatility. Supply and demand is still a real thing although I would agree the NBA often doesn't follow good economic logic

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I would love it if they could get Capela some how. He’s a great replacement for Nurk imo.

Capela would be a significant upgrade over Nurkic; I just can't see Portland having enough asset leverage to get him

Onyeka Okongwu & Saddiq Bey are interesting too

[mighty_duck]

Gee, or anybody...can you give me one, good non-opinionated reason why it would be "better for the Blazers team, for [Lillard] to ask out."?

If the Blazers keep Lillard to the end of his contract, they might suck. If the Blazers trade Lillard, they are going to suck. The next two drafts are apparently full of suck.

For every positive to trading him away, there is a 'Sharpe and Scoot lose a valuable mentor'. It literally doesn't matter. It's all what you personally want them to do. Rebuilding now or in the next 3 years isn't better for Lillard if he wants to stay, or the team.

All we got are opinions, so that'll be hard to do!

But here are some quasi-facts
1. Trading Lillard will add some nice assets to the rebuild project.
2. Scoot and Sharpe will make more progress with more playing time and more touches, both of which will be diminished on a win-now team with Lillard.
3. The more we suck, the better our draft prospects.
4. It's hard to project the quality of a draft on draft night, and sometimes even a year or two AFTER the draft. Projecting the quality of a draft class two years BEFORE the draft is a fools errand.

And on a more opinion based point -
If we keep Lillard - even in the optimistic case that he stays healthy and productive, and trade Simons and Nurk for better fitting pieces, we are still not contenders. We may sneak in to the playoffs, but that doesn't excite me much as a ceiling to our next few seasons. I'd rather embrace the rebuild fully. For a small market team, that's the only path to being a contender.

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I would love it if they could get Capela some how. He’s a great replacement for Nurk imo.

Capela would be a significant upgrade over Nurkic; I just can't see Portland having enough asset leverage to get him

Onyeka Okongwu & Saddiq Bey are interesting too

I honestly have no idea what the Hawks are doing. They seem to just be throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks, so I don’t even get a gauge on what they would even want in return for Capela.

Also, Portland could have had Bey… smh.

[Norm2953]

I'd like to know how Scoot is doing in the early practices.

First summer league game is July 7 and it'd be interesting if Scoot really hits the ground
running.

As with most summer league games, the games will be ragged but if Scoot can make teams
respect his open shots, they will have to play up on him, opening the lane to his drives to
the basket. By all reports, he's an offensive minded player and seems to have an alpha
personality, and will expect to play on day 1.

It would behoove Portland to give him the keys to the team, if he's ready on day 1.

[Wizenheimer]

Also, Portland could have had Bey… smh.

there sure seem to be a lot of rabbit holes like that one over the last 10-12 years

[Jsun947]

I would love it if they could get Capela some how. He’s a great replacement for Nurk imo.

Capela would be a significant upgrade over Nurkic; I just can't see Portland having enough asset leverage to get him

Onyeka Okongwu & Saddiq Bey are interesting too

I honestly have no idea what the Hawks are doing. They seem to just be throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks, so I don’t even get a gauge on what they would even want in return for Capela.

Also, Portland could have had Bey… smh.

I don’t think Capela has much trade value. I also don’t think the hawks want to take back 2 years of salary in a deal for him though.

They are at $137 mil in 24/25 and that’s without Murray, Okongwu, and Bey. Based on market value that likely puts Atlanta over $180 after re-signing them.

Maybe getting some value from Simons & sending Nurk somewhere for an expiring could get us enough to land Capela.

On second thought is the only team that might trade expirings for Nurkic the Clippers? Even then I doubt they’d do it.

[Effigy]

I'd like to know how Scoot is doing in the early practices.

I feel like it’s going to be exactly like that scene from Winning Time where Norm Nixon plays Magic Johnson one on one before the draft.

I love Riley in terms of what he's done in his career but man he feels like a used car salesman when he's waiting like a shark to take our superstar for table scraps

I do wonder how much of the recent media blitz on Dame has come from their camp trying to stir the pot and get people talking...

Guaranteed the ‘rumors’ that Portland wanted Bam was direct retaliation for that.

[The Sebastian Express]

Blazers fans are getting cheeky on twitter now, starting the #FreeBam trend in retaliation for #FreeDame. Some Heat fans on twitter apparently think it's serious and are angry.

[Sinobas]

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I don't agree at all

there were no teams with cap-space last summer that would have given him that kind of money. Only about 4 teams had enough space and they were already loaded at guard

Not something I care to argue much about when it’s pretty clear that’s the going rate for young players who look to be starting quality players after their rookie deal. The list goes on and on for guys of Ant’s caliber getting this as a pretty generic 2nd contract.

It’s a market value deal. Not overpaid, not underpaid.

I get that, but I think there is a different market every summer depending on the number of teams with cap-space and the needs they have. Last summer, the 3 or 4 teams with 20M in cap-space didn't need guards, especially guards with very limited versatility. Supply and demand is still a real thing although I would agree the NBA often doesn't follow good economic logic

Cronin learned from the master contract negotiator, Neil Olshey.

[Sinobas]

Gee, or anybody...can you give me one, good non-opinionated reason why it would be "better for the Blazers team, for [Lillard] to ask out."?

If the Blazers keep Lillard to the end of his contract, they might suck. If the Blazers trade Lillard, they are going to suck. The next two drafts are apparently full of suck.

For every positive to trading him away, there is a 'Sharpe and Scoot lose a valuable mentor'. It literally doesn't matter. It's all what you personally want them to do. Rebuilding now or in the next 3 years isn't better for Lillard if he wants to stay, or the team.

All we got are opinions, so that'll be hard to do!

But here are some quasi-facts
1. Trading Lillard will add some nice assets to the rebuild project.
2. Scoot and Sharpe will make more progress with more playing time and more touches, both of which will be diminished on a win-now team with Lillard.
3. The more we suck, the better our draft prospects.
4. It's hard to project the quality of a draft on draft night, and sometimes even a year or two AFTER the draft. Projecting the quality of a draft class two years BEFORE the draft is a fools errand.

And on a more opinion based point -
If we keep Lillard - even in the optimistic case that he stays healthy and productive, and trade Simons and Nurk for better fitting pieces, we are still not contenders. We may sneak in to the playoffs, but that doesn't excite me much as a ceiling to our next few seasons. I'd rather embrace the rebuild fully. For a small market team, that's the only path to being a contender.

Careful, some here will accuse you of "hate speech" for making those points. But I agree on all counts, which is why I would not be disappointed in seeing Damian traded. The great Bill Walsh said it's better to get rid of a player 1 year too early than 1 year too late.

As Scoot and Shaedon are entering their prime, we'll have 35 year old Damian Lillard making 60 million per year, as we continue to trot out our small ball lineup that hasn't worked for the past 10 years.