Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont see Jonas as more than a marginal upgrade over Nurkic. And swapping Nurkic for him would take value, value that IMO is easily better spent elsewhere. Swapping Simons for him leaves us with Nurkic and likely in a situation where the best value we can get for him is a THJ caliber player - not to mention IMO Simons has more value than Val.

So, ya, I dont really see a big upgrade nor do I see a deal available.

[tacosman]

I see Valanciunas is now on the block. As I posted a couple weeks ago, he’d be an upgrade over Nurkic, both in production and games played. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed—especially trading with NO.

I think the Scoot window has closed and i wouldn't have dealt Scoot for him anyhow. But I do like Val along with vuc as possible c upgrades

I don't think anyone would suggest that Scoot be involved in a trade for JV lol.....

[Goldbum]

If (BIG IF), we trade Dame I would want a package that speeds up the rebuild with a couple solid young starters. Guys like Claxton, J.Smith, T.Eason, and D.Hunter are appealing to me. If we could land 2 of those type guys and a smattering of picks we can feel good about our direction.
We have long term starters at both guard positions. Slotting in a guy like Hunter or Keldon Johnson and a big like Claxton or Ayton to go with that backcourt and we'd be cooking with gas. My worry is that we'll trade Ant to make Dame happy, then Dame asks for a trade and we end up without Ant and need shooters desperately. I just don't want to end up like ORL.

[DusterBuster]

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The NBA is in a weird spot with knowing what to do with young players coming off their rookie deals that actually develop into solid starting level quality players.

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

[red_power]

I wonder if VanVleet heading out is going to make Toronto more willing to make a trade for Ant.

[Jsun947]

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The NBA is in a weird spot with knowing what to do with young players coming off their rookie deals that actually develop into solid starting level quality players.

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

I agree. It’s like players fall into a few pots according to a lot of fans

Rookie Deal - Great
Franchise Player On Max Contract - Great
Players on minimum contracts - Great

Everyone else - These players **** suck and shouldn’t be paid more than 10 mil per year even if they are averaging 20 points per game

It’s ridiculous.

Yes, most players have flaws. Yes, they shouldn’t all get max contracts. No, you can’t build every team out of Superstars, rookies, and vet min guys.

It’s hard to find above average starters, and most teams have to over pay to get them, because they are in fact by definition around 16% of the pool of players in the NBA.

[DusterBuster]

I wonder if VanVleet heading out is going to make Toronto more willing to make a trade for Ant.

Possibly. Some rumblings are out there that OG is still the Blazers top target this summer.

I still firmly stand by that the Blazers could have avoided a lot of this Draft to FA drama had they just made a deal with Chicago at the draft to unlock their future picks. It would have been at least the smallest of small signs that they're still serious about a big swing trade outside of the #3 pick. If they do want OG, I suspect it will require Simons and probably 3-4 FRPs if they want to get OG without adding Sharpe... even then I think it's a 50/50 shot that's enough for Masai.

[red_power]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

[Jsun947]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

We definitely should have let Simons walk for nothing?

[Pattycakes]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

I think Herro is actually perfect to pair with them, along with a Jerami Grant type/active defensive center. You try to have more defensive firepower and length off the bench, but man - that backcourt + Herro is insane firepower.

[Pattycakes]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

I think Herro is actually perfect to pair with them, along with a Jerami Grant type/active defensive center. You try to have more defensive firepower and length off the bench, but man - that backcourt + Herro is insane. Trade whichever of him or Ant has more value for a young big.

[DusterBuster]

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The NBA is in a weird spot with knowing what to do with young players coming off their rookie deals that actually develop into solid starting level quality players.

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

I agree. It’s like players fall into a few pots according to a lot of fans

Rookie Deal - Great
Franchise Player On Max Contract - Great
Players on minimum contracts - Great

Everyone else - These players **** suck and shouldn’t be paid more than 10 mil per year even if they are averaging 20 points per game

It’s ridiculous.

Yep, it's a sentiment that is even repeated a lot here on these forums. So me, those guys getting 20mil is a lot less egregious than what this team and the league dealt with at the cap spike with Crabbe and Turner getting like 17mil per year for 10-15ppg... yet fans and even some media talk about guys who are 20ppg+ the exact same way.

[DusterBuster]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

We definitely should have let Simons walk for nothing?

This is essentially what most fans are arguing for when they don't want to give young players a new contract.

I guess the Blazers should just be come a developmental team... develop player and let them go?

[GEE]

Respectfully, I think what you are all missing on is that Herro may have NEGATVE value at this point in time. He broke his shooting hand in these playoffs against the Bucks, then launched a deep 3 pointer with that broken hand, and he hasn't played an NBA minute since then.

Herro earned his contract. The debate is what his true value in a trade would be, considering he's damaged goods. At least he is IMO, until he shows he is can still shoot in an NBA game.

My biggest hangup is... I just don't like him. If it were Bam on the table, I think a fair deal could be had... but without it's a giveaway and I don't think Cronin will get punked.

[zzaj]

I think a feeder issue to this contract perception, is that certain small market teams are absolutely operating at a disadvantage. The Minnesotas, Portlands, Utahs, et al, of the world have to overpay in order to brand themselves ("we pay our players" anyone?) and keep FA. Whereas other locations offer massive tax breaks (FLA, TX) and opportunities for "Brand" expansion(CA, NY). And that's not even taking into account the cultural side.

Kinda like travel hours spent on planes between games, there are a lot of hidden things that make certain teams more or less desirable...these things feed those player contracts.

[Jsun947]

People were bitching about OG’s contract in 2021.

They bitched about Turner’s contract in 2020.

They bitched about Murray’s contract in 2020.

They bitched about Markkanen’s contract in 2021.

They bitched about Fox’s contract in 2021.

They bitched about Wiggin’s contract in 2019.

I’d gladly have all 6 of those guys on the same team with their current contract.

[red_power]

Seems like every team has their own Ant Simons, Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole type of player that's coming into their own, showing they're a solid 20ppg contributor and paying them as such, but the second they get that new contract, their value plummets for no other reason than earning a contract and doing what every team wants to see from their young players... it's a really strange development.

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

We definitely should have let Simons walk for nothing?

Unless Dame gets traded, how the hell do you suppose to fit him in the rotation? The competition for playing time among our guards appears to be really tight at the moment, and there is no way Blazers can guarantee Ant the same role he had the last season. His playing time and trade value are going to plummet anyway. And remember, we are talking about a guy who's about to get $80 mln over the next 3 years.
Needless to say, that's quite a hefty price tag for a bench rotation guard.

I afraid Blazers will simply end up dumping him for an expiring deal of a somewhat serviceable big or wingman if a more attractive deal doesn't materialize.

[red_power]

It appears teams should think twice before overpaying good but not all-star-level great one-dimensional offensive players who stink defensively.
Anyway, Herro is an odd man to pair with Shaedon and Scoot so Blazers FO will understandably be reluctant to add him.

I think Herro is actually perfect to pair with them, along with a Jerami Grant type/active defensive center. You try to have more defensive firepower and length off the bench, but man - that backcourt + Herro is insane. Trade whichever of him or Ant has more value for a young big.

They might be good fit offensively but on the other side of the court that's going to be another reiteration of Dame-CJ-Norm story.
Neither Shaedon nor Herro have enough size and strength to cover opponents forwards. Simply put it's going to be another sieve gang defensively, although that might not be a bad thing for a tanking team.

[Goldbum]

Scoot/Sharpe/Ant is a wonderful stable of complimentary players. Now ad in Mayes and you have 3 elite athletes, 1 PG, 1SG and 2 combos that can run the point. Matisse can slide to SG occasionally also giving us more size. Now I'm not saying trade Dame, but if you can get a couple young legit starting front court players your not doing too bad, just have to build it out for 1 to 2 years.

[red_power]

Tbh Mattise is a classic tweener who has guard's size but failed to develop a guard's offensive game.