ShootersShoot wrote:Onus wrote:CDM_Stats wrote:
yup and FTR, Sabonis is still a 2 edged-sword. Guy nearly put up a triple double and was still barely a net positive in tracking.. and was not one in the playoffs
Its kinda like stealing bases in MLB... 30 years ago, guys getting to 100 was somewhat routine and it was a necessary part of the game. Bunting was around. Before this past season (SBs are way up for some reason), SB leaders were in the 40s, teams didnt play smallball anymore, batting average gave way to OBP/OPS and guys that would have succeeded in the 90s are now phased out of the game, while .200 hitting sluggers that would have been stuck in AAA are now mainstays in MLB lineups
Evolution (and its not always pretty)
I'll also add offensive oriented 4s haven't really been a successful archetype throughout history. Dirk and maybe Giannis are probably the only real 4s that have been no 1 options and won a title. I guess you could say Duncan, but I'd classify him as a center. Dirk is a stretch 4. Giannis is probably closer to a center on offense, just not able to anchor a defense like your typical centers. Duncan plays more like a center and able to actually anchor a defense like a center.
As #1 options...not really, but keep in mind draymond isnt a #1. All star level pfs who can score have been integral parts of recent champions as top 3 guys: siakam, pau, love, KG, bosh (maybe he was a center at that point), AD
And then yea of course dirk and giannis as #1s
If for example karl malone was a #2 or #3 option..that is a pretty good option to have.
I agree having a good pf isn't a bad thing. I just don't think they can be your main thing as your no 1 option.
I also think Draymond needs a specific type of team to work as well, which may even be smaller than what Malone would need. A pf that needs the ball to be most effective but can't actually score isn't going to work in a lot of other teams. Not many stars would be willing to give up those touches to let draymond run offense.