Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP

[Threezus]

Why doesn’t Collins get that finger fixed? It’s obviously affecting his shooting and god damn it’s brutal to look at.

If im not mistaken i think he did have the surgery and it was just taking a long time to fully heal and he was playing through the healing process. It got healed up enough to where it wasn't bothering him anymore towards the end of the season. which also is about when Snyder took over the team. Thats why you see his shooting % go way up around that time from like 23% or so to his normal 39 to 40%. It was a very good sign that his shooting game went back to normal the more he healed imo.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Great for Utah honestly. They get him for free and try to salvage any value he could have, to flip him later. They have another year before thinking about contending, so no problem

I mean maybe but what if they find out Collins sucks and they flip him for a bad contract and a second round pick? This move can have downside as well.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Its kind of amazing how Collins went from "one of the worst contracts in the league" according to the GB, to now a steal acquisition. Reminds me of the time a few years ago when the GB said the Hawks had "too much talent" and needed to consolidate.

I guess they're different crowds, but it is as if realgm simultaneously believe Collins is trash and on a massively bloated contract, but also that he can easily be rejuvenated/revitalized/resurrected by magic snakoil man Danny Ainge into becoming an allstar and thusly that this deal was a steal for the jazz.

[D21]

...If he is actually healthy though and his finger isn’t messed up permanently he could be a beast for the Jazz but we’ll see. I’m assuming they think it is because I agree and wouldn’t of traded him if he could get back to his old level where like I said was underrated.

He couldn't go back to his stats (not his level) if they play they'd continue to use him like they did.
He may be good with UTA, but it would have been even better if he had ended up with a C like Turner, Embiid, Jokic... guys who can 3s (I would have like to see him stay in ATL at least one more year and play with a C like Turner instead of Capela)

[BigJimFinn]

...If he is actually healthy though and his finger isn’t messed up permanently he could be a beast for the Jazz but we’ll see. I’m assuming they think it is because I agree and wouldn’t of traded him if he could get back to his old level where like I said was underrated.

He couldn't go back to his stats (not his level) if they play they'd continue to use him like they did.
He may be good with UTA, but it would have been even better if he had ended up with a C like Turner, Embiid, Jokic... guys who can 3s (I would have like to see him stay in ATL at least one more year and play with a C like Turner instead of Capela)

All the Jazz bigs except Kessler are great shooters. If you stagger his minutes with Walker, you can play Collins at 5 with one or two of Lauri, KO and Hendricks without actually getting small and use him in the P'n'R.

[D21]

...If he is actually healthy though and his finger isn’t messed up permanently he could be a beast for the Jazz but we’ll see. I’m assuming they think it is because I agree and wouldn’t of traded him if he could get back to his old level where like I said was underrated.

He couldn't go back to his stats (not his level) if they play they'd continue to use him like they did.
He may be good with UTA, but it would have been even better if he had ended up with a C like Turner, Embiid, Jokic... guys who can 3s (I would have like to see him stay in ATL at least one more year and play with a C like Turner instead of Capela)

All the Jazz bigs except Kessler are great shooters. If you stagger his minutes with Walker, you can play Collins at 5 with one or two of Lauri, KO and Hendricks without actually getting small and use him in the P'n'R.

Never said it wouldn't work, I just said it would be "even better for him" to play with the main C being able to shoot from deeper range.
Kessler is the main C, and is incredible, but not a shooter like the one I cited

And I agree that he can play with the other guys, and also a bit as a C himself

[Inigo Montoya]

Great for Utah honestly. They get him for free and try to salvage any value he could have, to flip him later. They have another year before thinking about contending, so no problem

I mean maybe but what if they find out Collins sucks and they flip him for a bad contract and a second round pick? This move can have downside as well.

Then the Jazz would be Atlanta.

Joking aside, if we go by your scenario, by the time the Jazz find out definitively that Collins sucks, he'd have only two seasons remaining on his deal at most, possibly less, and thus would be much easier to move for a better return.