Official Spec Thread: Regular Season

[Skybox]

As much as I hate it, I think that unless Fultz becomes "untouchable" status, they are building im up like Vuc. You know, maximizing him and making him so desirable for a trade. If Black reaches his potential, I think WeHam imagine they can get 2 FRP for Fultz.lol

Vuc made allstar game twice, was best player on playoff team- twice.

In playoffs after stinker vs Raptors (champions) he averaged 28-11-4 on 50-40-90 splits against also- champions year later.

Magic got a houl for him because he was ( and still is) very good player.

Fultz on other hand.... isn't top 2 player on non playoff team.

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

[RookieStar]

Vuc made allstar game twice, was best player on playoff team- twice.

In playoffs after stinker vs Raptors (champions) he averaged 28-11-4 on 50-40-90 splits against also- champions year later.

Magic got a houl for him because he was ( and still is) very good player.

Fultz on other hand.... isn't top 2 player on non playoff team.

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

[jezzerinho]

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

Another evaluating year?

F that.

[RookieStar]

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

Another evaluating year?

F that.

Evaluating year on keeping / trading / letting go those mystery guys we have ( JI and Fultz )

[Skybox]

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

I took this whole conversation to be assuming Black is the PG of the future…my point is to move Fultz now…
-he might have his highest value, at very least, as a large expiring
-avoid the locker room division of an obvious young successor-in-waiting. Black’s known to have a vibrant endearing personality. I’d hate to have a divided team or taint his outlook from day 1
-once you pay Fultz, if he slips, gets hurt/relapses, or even just levels off…you’re stuck with him and his cap hit for 4 years

[RookieStar]

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

I took this whole conversation to be assuming Black is the PG of the future…my point is to move Fultz now…
-he might have his highest value, at very least, as a large expiring
-avoid the locker room division of an obvious young successor-in-waiting. Black’s known to have a vibrant endearing personality. I’d hate to have a divided team or taint his outlook from day 1
-once you pay Fultz, if he slips, gets hurt/relapses, or even just levels off…you’re stuck with him and his cap hit for 4 years

If we trade Fultz NOW and giving the keys to Black right away, this is a 2 step forward 1 step back situation. Meaning this is a tanking year.

You know our FO is making sure Franz and Paolo are happy and NOT Black or Jett. That means increasong our wins and getting to the PO group. You really think Black would be more succesful than Fultz this season?

[Bensational]

It’s one thing to trade him at 17m expiring…giving a new, likely bigger deal is a heck of a risky commitment. What if he doesn’t improve? As is, he’d be tough to move, imo. Put that financial commitment on top of it…now, just consider another multi-season TOS relapse…can’t do it…too too many ways for it to go wrong and too few ways with too little upside to go right…if he’d sign a 2+1 TO at $12/year, that’s movable…but he SHOULD grab the money if anybody is (I’ll say…) “hopeful” enough to give it to him.

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

I took this whole conversation to be assuming Black is the PG of the future…my point is to move Fultz now…
-he might have his highest value, at very least, as a large expiring
-avoid the locker room division of an obvious young successor-in-waiting. Black’s known to have a vibrant endearing personality. I’d hate to have a divided team or taint his outlook from day 1
-once you pay Fultz, if he slips, gets hurt/relapses, or even just levels off…your stuck with him and his cap hit for 4 years

We have to confirm Black is the PGOTF before moving alternative options. Bamba wasn’t the COTF, Cole and Suggs weren’t the PGOTF. Better to know what we have in him and gamble on Fultz proving his game has improved ahead of the trade deadline.

[Skybox]

This is supposed to be the evaluating year right? Same as JI. I think our FO would know what they are worth and would hopefully give them a fair contract of we plan to keep them long term.

I took this whole conversation to be assuming Black is the PG of the future…my point is to move Fultz now…
-he might have his highest value, at very least, as a large expiring
-avoid the locker room division of an obvious young successor-in-waiting. Black’s known to have a vibrant endearing personality. I’d hate to have a divided team or taint his outlook from day 1
-once you pay Fultz, if he slips, gets hurt/relapses, or even just levels off…you’re stuck with him and his cap hit for 4 years

If we trade Fultz NOW and giving the keys to Black right away, this is a 2 step forward 1 step back situation. Meaning this is a tanking year.

You know our FO is making sure Franz and Paolo are happy and NOT Black or Jett. That means increasong our wins and getting to the PO group. You really think Black would be more succesful than Fultz this season?

Actually that’s a perfect example of “one step back, two steps forward”…probably some short-term pain, but get to the good stuff sooner.

I’ve said all along- start Cole…he likely has a chance of being better than his first go-round. I wouldn’t give Fultz a 20m extension if we had 12 centers and him on the roster…he’s likely the best PG on the roster today, but not for long and nowhere near good enough to keep up with this team’s trajectory. If he’s not replaced, it’ll be at the TD or next summer…why delay the inevitable? And why commit to a risky contract? Last year, when he finally played, Fultz looked physically good…but beyond the nonexistent 3pt shooting, the inability to draw fouls, and the lack of assists, don’t ever forget the health history. It always comes up with WCJ and Suggs profiles, but Suggs is in Zion/Isaac territory for availability. Just too many reasons NOT to getting chained to him.

I’d be more than okay with 2nd string Fultz making $12m…but I don’t see that happening on this team, maybe elsewhere like Elf.

[RookieStar]

I took this whole conversation to be assuming Black is the PG of the future…my point is to move Fultz now…
-he might have his highest value, at very least, as a large expiring
-avoid the locker room division of an obvious young successor-in-waiting. Black’s known to have a vibrant endearing personality. I’d hate to have a divided team or taint his outlook from day 1
-once you pay Fultz, if he slips, gets hurt/relapses, or even just levels off…you’re stuck with him and his cap hit for 4 years

If we trade Fultz NOW and giving the keys to Black right away, this is a 2 step forward 1 step back situation. Meaning this is a tanking year.

You know our FO is making sure Franz and Paolo are happy and NOT Black or Jett. That means increasong our wins and getting to the PO group. You really think Black would be more succesful than Fultz this season?

Actually that’s a perfect example of “one step back, two steps forward”…probably some short-term pain, but get to the good stuff sooner.

I’ve said all along- start Cole…he likely has a chance of being better than his first go-round. I wouldn’t give Fultz a 20m extension if we had 12 centers and him on the roster…he’s likely the best PG on the roster today, but not for long and nowhere near good enough to keep up with this team’s trajectory. If he’s not replaced, it’ll be at the TD or next summer…why delay the inevitable? And why commit to a risky contract? Last year, when he finally played, Fultz looked physically good…but beyond the nonexistent 3pt shooting, the inability to draw fouls, and the lack of assists, don’t ever forget the health history. It always comes up with WCJ and Suggs profiles, but Suggs is in Zion/Isaac territory for availability. Just too many reasons NOT to getting chained to him.

I’d be more than okay with 2nd string Fultz making $12m…but I don’t see that happening on this team, maybe elsewhere like Elf.

We don't know if Fultz can demand a 20m extension. If FO thinks they arent on the same page, im sure they will talk with Fultz on where he wants to go. We did it with Vuc AG Evan after all.

Also, how do we know Black can get us "sooner to the good stuff". We don't know if we throw him to the wolves right away without anyone teaching him the ropes might be bad for his development.

[pepe1991]

As much as I hate it, I think that unless Fultz becomes "untouchable" status, they are building im up like Vuc. You know, maximizing him and making him so desirable for a trade. If Black reaches his potential, I think WeHam imagine they can get 2 FRP for Fultz.lol

Vuc made allstar game twice, was best player on playoff team- twice.

In playoffs after stinker vs Raptors (champions) he averaged 28-11-4 on 50-40-90 splits against also- champions year later.

Magic got a houl for him because he was ( and still is) very good player.

Fultz on other hand.... isn't top 2 player on non playoff team.

Neither is Vuc in recent years. After he was traded he lead the Bulls into the lottery as a top 2 option. The next season he was a #3 option with Lonzo at #4 and they made the playoffs. This season no Lonzo, Vuc still #3 - and he leads them back into the lottery. In fact, Fultz and the rookie Magic team were nipping at their heels for a play-in spot.

And Vuc didn’t become an all star until he was 28, which would be at the end of Fultz’s next extension.

Bit revision of history?

After trade they only had 26 games on schedule. Lavine missed 13 out of those 26 games . Lonzo nor Derozan were Bulls players that year.

Next year they won 46 games ( 46-36) and yet again , Lonzo Ball played only 35 games. They made playoffs.

This year Lonzo played 0 games, they had 40-42 record. And lost playin game vs team that eventually went to NBA finals.


You make it sound like Magic were 1,5 games behind playoffs, in reality they were 6 wins away and actually were 3rd worst team , record vise, in conference. But you framed it how it was way more fitting to your point Good manipulation i have to admit

"Lead to lottery " =40-42 team but " Fultz and rookie team nipping playoffs with 34-48

[GelbeWand09]

As much as I hate it, I think that unless Fultz becomes "untouchable" status, they are building im up like Vuc. You know, maximizing him and making him so desirable for a trade. If Black reaches his potential, I think WeHam imagine they can get 2 FRP for Fultz.lol

Vuc made allstar game twice, was best player on playoff team- twice.

In playoffs after stinker vs Raptors (champions) he averaged 28-11-4 on 50-40-90 splits against also- champions year later.

Magic got a houl for him because he was ( and still is) very good player.

Fultz on other hand.... isn't top 2 player on non playoff team.

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

[SOUL]

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

Wasn't feasible because we were 6 years into a rebuild with no playoffs. I assume no matter what the front office wanted to do, ownership wanted to compete and put a product on the floor that wasn't going on a decade of rebuilding. I think in a sense it was good we got in the first round and lost twice in a row because it showed them just how flawed that big three was, even if it came at the expense of their value.

[GelbeWand09]

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

Wasn't feasible because we were 6 years into a rebuild with no playoffs. I assume no matter what the front office wanted to do, ownership wanted to compete and put a product on the floor that wasn't going on a decade of rebuilding. I think in a sense it was good we got in the first round and lost twice in a row because it showed them just how flawed that big three was, even if it came at the expense of their value.

Yea i know, I just wanted to disagree that we have built AG's worth up, to sell him at his peak value.

I was always pro tank or retool, but i could understand why they did it. We had the worst record in the leaque over the last 5-6 years & the major part of the casual fanbase & locals coudnt stomach another teardown extending that ''misery'' + DeVos age.
Realistically that whole Vuc era had 1 chance (Doncic draft) to be successful & we messed it up winning that last Washington game.
I'm happy what they did since, despite being a Chet guy. I'm not sure they are the ideal GM's for the next stage, because there approach is probably counterproductive in this era (FA not avaialable because everybody resigns --> you have to trade & taking risks) & there inability to ever create a balanced roster (3P shooting, either crowded Frontcourt or Backcourt) & my biggest fear the Fultz extension but so far i'm a happy camper.

[RookieStar]

Vuc made allstar game twice, was best player on playoff team- twice.

In playoffs after stinker vs Raptors (champions) he averaged 28-11-4 on 50-40-90 splits against also- champions year later.

Magic got a houl for him because he was ( and still is) very good player.

Fultz on other hand.... isn't top 2 player on non playoff team.

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

You telling me, AG being traded for a FRP , a young upcoming rookie and a solid rotation player is his lowpoint?

Seriously???

Hampton had all the potential in the world, the FRP..
Well who knew DEN was gonna be a powerhouse when we traded with them? Gary is still a serviceable player amd if nothong else, cap relief

[Howard Mass]

We will be getting official word on some team options today.

[GelbeWand09]

That's why I said building him up. I think we were ablt to build up the value of AG and Vuc pretty well when we decided to trade them. No one expected the haul we were able to get. If Fultz becomes a serviceable PG at the LEAST this season, if we decide to trade him next season we could get a pretty good haul.

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

You telling me, AG being traded for a FRP , a young upcoming rookie and a solid rotation player is his lowpoint?

Seriously???

Hampton had all the potential in the world, the FRP..
Well who knew DEN was gonna be a powerhouse when we traded with them? Gary is still a serviceable player amd if nothong else, cap relief

Yea as long as Jokic is healthy this was always going to be a pick in the mid-late 20's, which is pretty much the range of pick they trade every year away for cash considerations. Harris looked cooked at the time & Hampton was the 24th pick, who showed nothing in Denver or New Zealand. AG was a young player in the mold of one of the most wanted arche types in the leaque. Big athletic wing, who is super versatile on defense & at least not broken 3Point shot.

''Well who knew DEN was gonna be a powerhouse when we traded with them?''
Denver was in the Western Conference Finals a few months before & had a .653 winning % in the season we traded with them despite Murray missing games. They were already a top team

[eyriq]

We will be getting official word on some team options today.

Goga, MCW, and Schofield decisions today.

Do we exercise any of the team options?

[zaymon]

We pretty much traded AG (same Fournier) at the lowpoint of his value & pretty much got almost nothing for him in consequence. If we had traded him after the Slam Dunk hype, we probably get a top 12 pick for him at least because of the hype and ''potential'' (was younger). If Chicago wasnt so desperate we could have ended up like Washington, getting almost nothing for our ''top'' players.

You telling me, AG being traded for a FRP , a young upcoming rookie and a solid rotation player is his lowpoint?

Seriously???

Hampton had all the potential in the world, the FRP..
Well who knew DEN was gonna be a powerhouse when we traded with them? Gary is still a serviceable player amd if nothong else, cap relief

Yea as long as Jokic is healthy this was always going to be a pick in the mid-late 20's, which is pretty much the range of pick they trade every year away for cash considerations. Harris looked cooked at the time & Hampton was the 24th pick, who showed nothing in Denver or New Zealand. AG was a young player in the mold of one of the most wanted arche types in the leaque. Big athletic wing, who is super versatile on defense & at least not broken 3Point shot.

''Well who knew DEN was gonna be a powerhouse when we traded with them?''
Denver was in the Western Conference Finals a few months before & had a .653 winning % in the season we traded with them despite Murray missing games. They were already a top team

AG had injury after injury, he demanded a trade and our team was going nowhere with injuries to Isaac and Fultz. Jerami Grant went for similar or even slightly worse package of Procida, 2025 bucks frp and two srp.
Our true prize that offseason was Vucevic. We traded him at the absolute peak of his value. AG value never came close. Timing was based around Vucevic value not AG value. Also it was AG fault he took step back after Toronto series. Injuries didnt help though.

[basketballRob]

We will be getting official word on some team options today.

Goga, MCW, and Schofield decisions today.

Do we exercise any of the team options?

Schofield seems similar to Howard. I'm not sure if MCW can even play now. Goga will be brought back.

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[Knightro]

We will be getting official word on some team options today.

Goga, MCW, and Schofield decisions today.

Do we exercise any of the team options?

Goga is set to make less than the veteran minimum, even if they see him purely as a third stringer I have to imagine he's back at that low of a salary figure.