Miami Heat Offseason Thread 4.0: Juan Wick Szn

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If the suns get Gordon prince and 1-2 more solid get pieces that become available over the next week they’re going to be a lot of trouble for the rest of the league.

Pat Bev/Payne
Beal/Gordon
Okogie/Prince
KD/Craig
Ayton/Landale

That’s a damn good lineup

where booker

It’s early

Point proven even more

[Heat_team02]

I liked Yurtseven his 1st season when he was averaging double digits but over time his weaknesses have become more glaring. He lacks strength, he's clumsy at times with the ball and he hasn't done much else other than a few good rebounding outings and regressed with injuries this past season. Zeller would be more useful.

[IceColdCubano]

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Damn they going hard at Mickey on twitter....Biggest response is sell the team if your not gonna spend on it.

[AirP.]

The whole waiting on Lillard not hurting us is one of the most blatant concocted narratives to mask utter and complete failure when we don’t get him. It’s the atleast we tried cop out. Get Dame to ask out now or move on

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

[Rapaz]

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Micky Muerto de Hambre strikes again.

We’re out here in the Texas boonies and yet our owner has paid the luxury tax in 6 season. Y’all are in glamorous Miami and have only paid it in 7 seasons.

Bijan dreams; BJ’s budget.

Rough.

[IceColdCubano]

I liked Yurtseven his 1st season when he was averaging double digits but over time his weaknesses have become more glaring. He lacks strength, he's clumsy at times with the ball and he hasn't done much else other than a few good rebounding outings and regressed with injuries this past season. Zeller would be more useful.

Some guys cap out early and they have zero remaining upside no matter how much you try. He is one of those guys, kind of hit his ceiling, and now outside of maybe polishing his jumper and footwork a bit he is what he is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Damn they going hard at Mickey on twitter....Biggest response is sell the team if your not gonna spend on it.

Can’t say I disagree

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The whole waiting on Lillard not hurting us is one of the most blatant concocted narratives to mask utter and complete failure when we don’t get him. It’s the atleast we tried cop out. Get Dame to ask out now or move on

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

You don’t think Micky is signing off on these deals when they’re signed?

[AirP.]

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

You don’t think Micky is signing off on these deals when they’re signed?

I don't think Micky goes all that deep into the team building and future payroll situations of this team, he has a FO for that which has produced results. It sounds like he has a simple answer most years, don't go into the tax and you can do whatever you want which is a mistake in itself. At some point an owner can't just keep letting a FO keep making mistakes and I do understand you can't fire these guys because what they've built the Miami franchise into, it's a really tough situation for an owner, say no more or start throwing money out the window going into the tax with this roster.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

The whole waiting on Lillard not hurting us is one of the most blatant concocted narratives to mask utter and complete failure when we don’t get him. It’s the atleast we tried cop out. Get Dame to ask out now or move on

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

yeah that is true, you make a good point about Riles constantly outbidding himself. But why does Mickey approve these contracts? Just like he has a say in trades, doesn't Mickey have a final say on contracts?

Back to your point though, Like, who the hell offered Duncan 18/yr??? where did we come up with that number? Did we just look at other players and just offer him similar value, with no pressure from another team? that's so dumb, let the market set his value and we could get him cheaper.

on board with you on that.

the Herro contract is ridiculous too.

[RexBoyWonder]

The idea that endlessly waiting on Lilard doesn't hurt us - Is completely false.

All kind of other moves that could/need to happen might get **** - from cutting cost to improving the roster to picking the right undrfted guys to knowing who to cut and what to focus on with trades.

Waiting too long can and will kill us in a few different ways.

[SoFlaKingReal]

What don't you guys get?

Outside of the noob in PHX just throwing money around without a care in the world, NO OWNER IN THE NBA WAS TOUCHING THAT BEAL CONTRACT.

[twix2500]

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Damn they going hard at Mickey on twitter....Biggest response is sell the team if your not gonna spend on it.

Spend on who?

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[Hallstar]

The whole waiting on Lillard not hurting us is one of the most blatant concocted narratives to mask utter and complete failure when we don’t get him. It’s the atleast we tried cop out. Get Dame to ask out now or move on

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

What don't you guys get?

Outside of the noob in PHX just throwing money around without a care in the world, NO OWNER IN THE NBA WAS TOUCHING THAT BEAL CONTRACT.

but are those other owners 1 piece away from a championship?

If the Heat can win a ring in 2024 with Beal.. is the tax worth it?

[SoFlaKingReal]

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

yeah that is true, you make a good point about Riles constantly outbidding himself. But why does Mickey approve these contracts? Just like he has a say in trades, doesn't Mickey have a final say on contracts?

Back to your point though, Like, who the hell offered Duncan 18/yr??? where did we come up with that number? Did we just look at other players and just offer him similar value, with no pressure from another team? that's so dumb, let the market set his value and we could get him cheaper.

on board with you on that.

the Herro contract is ridiculous too. You remember when Wade was on his rookie deal? We refused to extend him so we could keep his "cheap labor" and then re-signed him after his rookie deal was up? Why didn't we do that with Herro, who knows.

Grumpy, what in the world are you talking about with Wade's rookie contract? We signed him to a three year extension before his last year on rookie deal that he wanted so he could line his free agency up with Lebron.

You are reaching back 20 years now lmao....I understand if things are a little blurry.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

to be fair to Riles in this situation... Mickey has limited him. Wanting to avoid the apron tax stuff, "Only get Beal/whoeever under xyz circumstances so we can get under aprons, otherwise no deal" type of mandates (is what I imagine happened)

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

guards that shoot 43% on bad defense are a dime a dozen in this league, if you give them the backing of the FO with minutes/role

[Hallstar]

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

guards that shoot 43% on bad defense are a dime a dozen in this league, if you give them the backing of the FO with minutes/role

Stus or Gabe couldn't avg 20 no many how much opportunity or backing you give them. There's something called skillset.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Why should Mickey pay the tax when it's been his (which is somewhat his fault, he does have to ok it) FO overpaying players creating this situation, some of us were talking about this problem last offseason and maybe needing to unload Lowry for expiring's or sending Robinson out with assets. You have the ridiculous Robinson deal, the overpaying of Lowry (once they got in a bidding war should have just let him go) and of course extending Herro a year earlier than they had to. Who not only has the cap space and the want to sign Herro for more than the Heat paid him? As a restricted FA he could take what Miami offered him or he could go out and get a 3 or 4 year offer that Miami could match. Now they're probably going to overpay Vincent. I completely get why the owner won't throw cash out the window for their mistakes.

yeah that is true, you make a good point about Riles constantly outbidding himself. But why does Mickey approve these contracts? Just like he has a say in trades, doesn't Mickey have a final say on contracts?

Back to your point though, Like, who the hell offered Duncan 18/yr??? where did we come up with that number? Did we just look at other players and just offer him similar value, with no pressure from another team? that's so dumb, let the market set his value and we could get him cheaper.

on board with you on that.

the Herro contract is ridiculous too. You remember when Wade was on his rookie deal? We refused to extend him so we could keep his "cheap labor" and then re-signed him after his rookie deal was up? Why didn't we do that with Herro, who knows.

Grumpy, what in the world are you talking about with Wade's rookie contract? We signed him to a three year extension before his last year on rookie deal that he wanted so he could line his free agency up with Lebron.

You are reaching back 20 years now lmao....I understand if things are a little blurry.

oh dang you're right. for some reason, I remember us talking about Wade being cheap labor during our 2006 title, because he was on his rookie deal. You're right we extended him after the 06 title.

[twix2500]

I am confuse. People in one breath arguing the Heat paid too much for players and in the same breath call them cheap? Heat have one of the highest payrolls but at the same time they are cheap?

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