Miami Heat Offseason Thread 5.0: Snooze Season

[SoFlaKingReal]

Powell's contract is even worse than Duncan's lmao

How do you figure that lol

Its just literally more guaranteed than Duncan's lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Powell's contract is even worse than Duncan's lmao

How do you figure that lol

Its just literally more guaranteed than Duncan's lol

He’s a far better player

[MettaWorldPanda]

Powell is a better scorer/player than Herro and he’s making Duncan money. That’s not near as bad as Duncan’s contract, dude has been unplayable outside of a solid playoff stretch here and there last season

Powell is also a nasty defenser with his 6’11 wingspan. Imagine having that coming off the bench wow

[SoFlaKingReal]

How do you figure that lol

Its just literally more guaranteed than Duncan's lol

He’s a far better player

I'm sure, thats why the Clippers are desperate to dump him.

Powell is the Clippers' Duncan rn.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Could see Lowry going back to Toronto if they lose FVV

They would probably want Vincent instead who was starting over him for half the salary

[SoFlaKingReal]

Y'all think the Heat want anything to do with Normal Powell at 19 million a season for the next three?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Powell is a better scorer/player than Herro and he’s making Duncan money. That’s not near as bad as Duncan’s contract, dude has been unplayable outside of a solid playoff stretch here and there last season

Powell is also a nasty defenser with his 6’11 wingspan. Imagine having that coming off the bench wow

I need that Lowry for Powell/Covington or Morris swap to come to fruition some way. Need to figure out a way to save them some money in the process

[AirP.]

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons, to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Its just literally more guaranteed than Duncan's lol

He’s a far better player

I'm sure, thats why the Clippers are desperate to dump him.

Powell is the Clippers' Duncan rn.

He’s not. They got bad tax issues they are running away from. Good players are getting dumped out of desperation. That puts us way behind the 8 ball with someone like Duncan when you could have a Powell out there.

[SoFlaKingReal]

He’s a far better player

I'm sure, thats why the Clippers are desperate to dump him.

Powell is the Clippers' Duncan rn.

He’s not. They got bad tax issues they are running away from. Good players are getting dumped out of desperation. That puts us way behind the 8 ball with someone like Duncan when you could have a Powell out there.

Oh ok, I thought we were doing that because our owner is cheap.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Its just literally more guaranteed than Duncan's lol

He’s a far better player

I'm sure, thats why the Clippers are desperate to dump him.

Powell is the Clippers' Duncan rn.

Alright, let’s just be real about this whole situation. Some of us are too hard on the FO and some of us defend their every move to the grave, they offset each other. There’s no middle ground on here.

Saying Powells contract is worse than Duncan’s is just blatantly wrong, like it’s not even close to being close. Powell is far and away a better player than Duncan and he’s better than Herro too who is making like $12M more per year than Powell with 2 more years on his contract than Powell.

We can get down to it if needed and compare Powells play to the play of Duncan and Herro if we really need to but he’s better scorer than both, better shooter than both, and a worlds better defender than both. Now take in to account that one of them is only a shooter, the other is only a scorer who can’t score without a screen, and neither play defense and well………there’s not much of an argument to be had.

[HeatIn5]

Could see Lowry going back to Toronto if they lose FVV

They would probably want Vincent instead who was starting over him for half the salary

True, but they wouldn’t get Vincent on an expiring

Could also see Dallas interested if they’re not bringing back Kyrie.

Maybe a Lowry for Kyrie S&T swap?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons (I believe you said that sorry if that wasn't you), to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

The rockets have a starting spot for Herro?

[HeatIn5]

Houston, Charlotte, Pacers are young teams that could easily pay Herro more than 30 mil and have a starting position available. And would do it because they KNOW you would have to look at your lux cap. We've been screwed by Tyler friggin Johnson, you think Herro isn't gonna find someone to pay him? Dude is paid in line with all his relevant peers and you're acting like he would get Duncan Robinson money...it's asinine

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons (I believe you said that sorry if that wasn't you), to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

The rockets have a starting spot for Herro?

Would you trade Herro for Haywards 31M expiring?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons (I believe you said that sorry if that wasn't you), to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

The rockets have a starting spot for Herro?

Would you trade Herro for Haywards 31M expiring?

If we’re flipping it to the blazers or somewhere for a star and a pick attached sure. I have Herros value at 2 1st round picks, a massive expiring to use as a tradeable asset with a 1st is about the same probably. Teams would love both

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons (I believe you said that sorry if that wasn't you), to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

The rockets have a starting spot for Herro?

Would you trade Herro for Haywards 31M expiring?

That’s our only hope tbh

[AirP.]

Not quite but saving 5 or so million per year was possible and needed. The amount Miami would have to risk paying more by waiting isn't all that much compared to what they gave him. It's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if I had to pay more to keep him. For as lukewarm as Portland is because they already have Simons (I believe you said that sorry if that wasn't you), to expect a team to throw 30 million to Herro this summer seems odd with Houston with Jalen Green at SG, or Charlotte with Terry making 23mil and Bouknight, or Indiana with Nembhard and Mathurin were safe bets to me. Why aren't we hearing about them coming after Herro since he's now signed for less than you think they'd offer him with Miami in possible tax trouble or needing assets?

What's asinine is that in the last couple offseasons dropping 45 mil a year for Lowry and Robinson... both self-inflicted contracts. Miami needs to pull back overpaying players for a bit or get rid of some of these bad contracts which may require sending out assets which might need to be done if they don't get Lillard.

The rockets have a starting spot for Herro?

Would you trade Herro for Haywards 31M expiring?

I hope not. He's got to have more value that around the league. At the minimum I would think there's a few teams willing to roll the dice on him and give up solid assets while moving off of some good vets no longer a part of their future.

With that said, I don't think Miami's FO really wants to trade Herro, they probably still have a belief he's going to be Devin Booker or better.

[SoFlaKingReal]

He’s a far better player

I'm sure, thats why the Clippers are desperate to dump him.

Powell is the Clippers' Duncan rn.

Alright, let’s just be real about this whole situation. Some of us are too hard on the FO and some of us defend their every move to the grave, they offset each other. There’s no middle ground on here.

Saying Powells contract is worse than Duncan’s is just blatantly wrong, like it’s not even close to being close. Powell is far and away a better player than Duncan and he’s better than Herro too who is making like $12M more per year than Powell with 2 more years on his contract than Powell.

We can get down to it if needed and compare Powells play to the play of Duncan and Herro if we really need to but he’s better scorer than both, better shooter than both, and a worlds better defender than both. Now take in to account that one of them is only a shooter, the other is only a scorer who can’t score without a screen, and neither play defense and well………there’s not much of an argument to be had.

I'm just looking at the contract #s. Powell is due 19 mil a year for the next three. That means there is next to zero percent chance he is acquired by the Heat.

Beyond that, I'm sure hes a nice role player.

[Hallstar]

Stus or Gabe couldn't avg 20 no many how much opportunity or backing you give them. There's something called skillset.

Max Strus - 10 shots per game.
Tyler Herro - 17 shots per game.

Strus - 11 ppg
Herro - 20 ppg


A few seasons ago, when Herro was only taking 11 shots per game, he was scoring 13 ppg. Basically, Strus.


Except, Herro's defense is really bad.


Nowadays, One is given a large ball handling role and backing by the coaches, the other is not.


This is why I said, guards shooting 43% with bad defense are a dime a dozen in this league, and his contract is terrible.

ok, let me rephrase this to you.....you have to be able to get off 16-17 or 20 shots on a consistent basis every night. If it was that easy, everybody could do it....but they can't. Some people need to be in the perfect position to be able to get a shot up. It's why speaking about the TS% of someone like PJ Tucker is irrelevant. PJ can barely get off 20 shots in a week