Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Neeva]

Minnesota is in a real bad position and it seems like it's going to be a hard rest of the decade before they get out of it. That Gobert trade may end up being one of the worst trades in NBA history.

LMAO Troll. We have one of the most talented teams in the league and we are a threat to win it all. Go away.

Except he's not wrong.

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in. And Towns himself will have little to no trade value when that contract kicks in.

We need a long term solution at PG and we don't have the cap space to sign one, and most PGs available are kinda terrible or we can't afford them.

We're a team with no flexibility that has bet all of its flexibility on a trade for a player with no flexibility.

Jesus you really are a broken record, can’t wait for your large plate of crow to come.

[shrink]

I apologize if this was posted yesterday:

Read on Twitter

This had to be based on a Taurean Prince trade.
Now it’s pretty much impossible to salary match

I think it could still work with a Jaylen Nowell sign and trade, if that was something both Jaylen and Washington was interested in.

NAW and Nowell? NAW and WMJ?

Prince was the way, imho.

[shrink]

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in.

Internal development. With the exception of maybe Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley, every player on the team could be better next year, especially with better health, and time this season to practice together and develop more continuity. Ant and Jaden could be dramatically better over the next few years, and we have several young players like Minott that could improve greatly.

We’ve seen this already. Naz improved. Ant and Jaden improved. And they are not at their ceilings.

People need to stop this narrative that the Wolves have no way to improve.

[Slim Tubby]

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in.

Internal development. With the exception of maybe Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley, every player on the team could be better next year, especially with better health, and time this season to practice together and develop more continuity. Ant and Jaden could be dramatically better over the next few years, and we have several young players like Minott that could improve greatly.

We’ve seen this already. Naz improved. Ant and Jaden improved. And they are not at their ceilings.

People need to stop this narrative that the Wolves have no way to improve.

Nope. Players never improve. Teams never become more cohesive. Draft picks never outperform expectations. Guys never fully recover from injuries. Rule changes never happen in the NBA. Player values never improve. Just shut it down. Move to Seattle or Vegas. All is lost.

[thinktank]

Of course every team sets their sights on winning a title. Philly did that with the process. How did it work out?
You can't design a team to win a championship. You make it as good as you can and what happens happens. Phoenix is hoping to win a title, but I would heavily bet against it happening. On rare occasions a team is so good that a championship is a foregone conclusion like when Durant joined Golden State.

Well, sir, my opinion is that we’ll have better odds of winning a playoff series if we trade KAT.

if we trade him for Luka Doncic I agree with you. If we trade him for Kris Murray and Anfernee Simons I vehemently disagree with you. It all depends on what we could get. However, we could keep him and if we stay healthy we can win it all with what we got.

I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

[KGdaBom]

Minnesota is in a real bad position and it seems like it's going to be a hard rest of the decade before they get out of it. That Gobert trade may end up being one of the worst trades in NBA history.

LMAO Troll. We have one of the most talented teams in the league and we are a threat to win it all. Go away.

Except he's not wrong.

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in. And Towns himself will have little to no trade value when that contract kicks in.

We need a long term solution at PG and we don't have the cap space to sign one, and most PGs available are kinda terrible or we can't afford them.

We're a team with no flexibility that has bet all of its flexibility on a trade for a player with no flexibility.

He's very wrong. We are a very talented team and we will advance in the playoffs and possibly win it all.

[KGdaBom]

Well, sir, my opinion is that we’ll have better odds of winning a playoff series if we trade KAT.

if we trade him for Luka Doncic I agree with you. If we trade him for Kris Murray and Anfernee Simons I vehemently disagree with you. It all depends on what we could get. However, we could keep him and if we stay healthy we can win it all with what we got.

I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Got it. KAT is a negative contract and if we could trade him away for nothing but cap space it would be a miracle for us. I happen to think KAT is great and could make a huge contribution to our championship team.

[thinktank]

if we trade him for Luka Doncic I agree with you. If we trade him for Kris Murray and Anfernee Simons I vehemently disagree with you. It all depends on what we could get. However, we could keep him and if we stay healthy we can win it all with what we got.

I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Got it. KAT is a negative contract and if we could trade him away for nothing but cap space it would be a miracle for us. I happen to think KAT is great and could make a huge contribution to our championship team.

I understand that you really love KAT.

Who is advocating a trade of KAT for nothing but cap space? Those types of extreme jumps to conclusions do not facilitate good faith discussion.

[Note30]

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in.

Internal development. With the exception of maybe Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley, every player on the team could be better next year, especially with better health, and time this season to practice together and develop more continuity. Ant and Jaden could be dramatically better over the next few years, and we have several young players like Minott that could improve greatly.

We’ve seen this already. Naz improved. Ant and Jaden improved. And they are not at their ceilings.

People need to stop this narrative that the Wolves have no way to improve.

Sure, but the whole bet here is that some combo of what we gave currently plus any small moves like getting Leonard and Clark + signing an MLE player + internal development will equal championship. Except historically we have been terrible at internal development.

We have no way to improve outside of internal development which is an option available to every franchise.

I really do hope I'm wrong and we win a ring.

[Note30]

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in.

Internal development. With the exception of maybe Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley, every player on the team could be better next year, especially with better health, and time this season to practice together and develop more continuity. Ant and Jaden could be dramatically better over the next few years, and we have several young players like Minott that could improve greatly.

We’ve seen this already. Naz improved. Ant and Jaden improved. And they are not at their ceilings.

People need to stop this narrative that the Wolves have no way to improve.

Nope. Players never improve. Teams never become more cohesive. Draft picks never outperform expectations. Guys never fully recover from injuries. Rule changes never happen in the NBA. Player values never improve. Just shut it down. Move to Seattle or Vegas. All is lost.

The top two players were paying - one has actually never improved he can't even catch a ball, and the other is constantly getting hurt.

We have yet to become more cohesive, since like KG.

Maybe one or two outperform all expectations here, the most bust. Or should we look at our history of draft picks?

The point isnt oh yeah we're all **** lets move the franchise it's to temper expectations. Even last year there were so many posters saying we'd be a 55+ win team.

Then we went 42-40 and we were all disappointed. I'd like to believe we'll crack 50 wins this season, but I'm not holding my breath. My guess is we'll probably win 46-47. We'll win our first playoff series and then get bounced.

[Note30]

LMAO Troll. We have one of the most talented teams in the league and we are a threat to win it all. Go away.

Except he's not wrong.

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in. And Towns himself will have little to no trade value when that contract kicks in.

We need a long term solution at PG and we don't have the cap space to sign one, and most PGs available are kinda terrible or we can't afford them.

We're a team with no flexibility that has bet all of its flexibility on a trade for a player with no flexibility.

Jesus you really are a broken record, can’t wait for your large plate of crow to come.

I'm all for it. Will absolutely love to see it.

[shrink]

. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Don’t you mean, Butler didn’t help KAT win a series?

Towns had 13.4 RPG to go with his 15.2 points, and shot 20 points higher than Jimmy (15) or Wiggins (17). Granted, Jimmy was kind of beat up at the end of the season, but that’s why he wasn’t Jimmy.

And in the regular season, Towns was far far superior than Jimmy. KAT was actually second in Win Shares, behind MVP Harden, in front of LeBron, Curry, etc.

Of course, I don’t want to use any real life data to interfere with your entirely one-sided arguments, so feel free to continue.

[shrink]

I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Got it. KAT is a negative contract and if we could trade him away for nothing but cap space it would be a miracle for us. I happen to think KAT is great and could make a huge contribution to our championship team.

I understand that you really love KAT.

Who is advocating a trade of KAT for nothing but cap space? Those types of extreme jumps to conclusions do not facilitate good faith discussion.

I was skeptical before, but this is the extreme thinktank from Rube Chat, just trolling here to get his kicks.

“Good faith discussion” was the tip off!

[Battletrigger]

LMAO Troll. We have one of the most talented teams in the league and we are a threat to win it all. Go away.

Except he's not wrong.

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in. And Towns himself will have little to no trade value when that contract kicks in.

We need a long term solution at PG and we don't have the cap space to sign one, and most PGs available are kinda terrible or we can't afford them.

We're a team with no flexibility that has bet all of its flexibility on a trade for a player with no flexibility.

He's very wrong. We are a very talented team and we will advance in the playoffs and possibly win it all.

You said that last year too.

[KGdaBom]

I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Got it. KAT is a negative contract and if we could trade him away for nothing but cap space it would be a miracle for us. I happen to think KAT is great and could make a huge contribution to our championship team.

I understand that you really love KAT.

Who is advocating a trade of KAT for nothing but cap space? Those types of extreme jumps to conclusions do not facilitate good faith discussion.

Your words
I vehemently disagree that our odds of winning a championship are better with KAT @ 50M / yr than without.
Those words are the textbook definition of a negative contract.
How can I possibly be misinterpreting you that you believe KAT is a negative contract and you vehemently think that.

[KGdaBom]

Except he's not wrong.

Unless we've proven to be a really strong team by the trade deadline, we're gonna be a run of the mill team with no way to get better after Towns new contract kicks in. And Towns himself will have little to no trade value when that contract kicks in.

We need a long term solution at PG and we don't have the cap space to sign one, and most PGs available are kinda terrible or we can't afford them.

We're a team with no flexibility that has bet all of its flexibility on a trade for a player with no flexibility.

He's very wrong. We are a very talented team and we will advance in the playoffs and possibly win it all.

You said that last year too.

If we stayed healthy we might be the current NBA champs.

[KGdaBom]

Internal development. With the exception of maybe Kyle Anderson and Mike Conley, every player on the team could be better next year, especially with better health, and time this season to practice together and develop more continuity. Ant and Jaden could be dramatically better over the next few years, and we have several young players like Minott that could improve greatly.

We’ve seen this already. Naz improved. Ant and Jaden improved. And they are not at their ceilings.

People need to stop this narrative that the Wolves have no way to improve.

Nope. Players never improve. Teams never become more cohesive. Draft picks never outperform expectations. Guys never fully recover from injuries. Rule changes never happen in the NBA. Player values never improve. Just shut it down. Move to Seattle or Vegas. All is lost.

The top two players were paying - one has actually never improved he can't even catch a ball, and the other is constantly getting hurt.

We have yet to become more cohesive, since like KG.

Maybe one or two outperform all expectations here, the most bust. Or should we look at our history of draft picks?

The point isnt oh yeah we're all **** lets move the franchise it's to temper expectations. Even last year there were so many posters saying we'd be a 55+ win team.

Then we went 42-40 and we were all disappointed. I'd like to believe we'll crack 50 wins this season, but I'm not holding my breath. My guess is we'll probably win 46-47. We'll win our first playoff series and then get bounced.

I think we can do better, but if we do what you think that puts us between the top 12.5% to 25% of the teams in the league. Not bad at all.

[thinktank]

. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Don’t you mean, Butler didn’t help KAT win a series?

Towns had 13.4 RPG to go with his 15.2 points, and shot 20 points higher than Jimmy (15) or Wiggins (17). Granted, Jimmy was kind of beat up at the end of the season, but that’s why he wasn’t Jimmy.

And in the regular season, Towns was far far superior than Jimmy. KAT was actually second in Win Shares, behind MVP Harden, in front of LeBron, Curry, etc.

Of course, I don’t want to use any real life data to interfere with your entirely one-sided arguments, so feel free to continue.

We know who Butler is. He has made multiple runs deep into the playoffs. He chose not to continue playing next to KAT and he made the right decision as evidenced by his continued playoff success.

Waiting on KAT yet.

That’s data too.

[KGdaBom]

. He didn’t help Butler win a series and he’s not helping Ant.

Don’t you mean, Butler didn’t help KAT win a series?

Towns had 13.4 RPG to go with his 15.2 points, and shot 20 points higher than Jimmy (15) or Wiggins (17). Granted, Jimmy was kind of beat up at the end of the season, but that’s why he wasn’t Jimmy.

And in the regular season, Towns was far far superior than Jimmy. KAT was actually second in Win Shares, behind MVP Harden, in front of LeBron, Curry, etc.

Of course, I don’t want to use any real life data to interfere with your entirely one-sided arguments, so feel free to continue.

We know who Butler is. He has made multiple runs deep into the playoffs. He chose not to continue playing next to KAT and he made the right decision as evidenced by his continued playoff success.

Waiting on KAT yet.

That’s data too.

I will agree with you that Butler is a good player. He's also a POS and I wish him nothing but the worst in life. He signed a contract and he should have honored it rather than be an **** and make a mockery of the game. There should have been some kind of rule in place where he would not have got away with what he did.

[karch34]

This had to be based on a Taurean Prince trade.
Now it’s pretty much impossible to salary match

I think it could still work with a Jaylen Nowell sign and trade, if that was something both Jaylen and Washington was interested in.

NAW and Nowell? NAW and WMJ?

Prince was the way, imho.

Agreed. I was thinking Price and maybe WMJ if they wanted to free a little more.