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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#281 » by Mattya » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:36 pm

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TimberKat wrote:I like Schroeder. He can drive, break down defense and defense. Maybe a little better with the French connection too. If we keep NAW, would like to add Watanabe for that bigger wing 3pt shooter although he likely end up in PHX or Cavs.


I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


Shroder isn’t a bad defender tho. He is actually a good point of attack defender.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#282 » by Krapinsky » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:38 pm

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TimberKat wrote:I like Schroeder. He can drive, break down defense and defense. Maybe a little better with the French connection too. If we keep NAW, would like to add Watanabe for that bigger wing 3pt shooter although he likely end up in PHX or Cavs.


I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


That would mean no Kat, no Gobert, and no Naz.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#283 » by twolves31 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:57 pm

[Begley] Free agent Bruce Brown is expected to meet with the Knicks, Rockets, Pacers and Mavericks at the start of free agency, per SNY sources.
[Begley] Bruce Brown is also meeting with the Lakers early in the free agency period, per SNY sources.

[Holmes] The New York Knicks have emerged as favorites to sign Golden State Warriors free agent guard Donte DiVincenzo, league sources told The Chronicle on Thursday night.

Two of our free agent targets.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#284 » by Norseman79 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Would we be better off getting two guys at 7 million per year then one guy at 14 million per year? Just seems like a 14 million per year guys aren't leaps and bounds ahead of the seven mil per year guys.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#285 » by slick21 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Decision day on McLaughlin. Makes sense to waive him, right? If only to save approximately $300K. Can always bring him back on the veteran minimum.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#286 » by TimberKat » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:12 pm

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minimus wrote:
TimberKat wrote:I like Schroeder. He can drive, break down defense and defense. Maybe a little better with the French connection too. If we keep NAW, would like to add Watanabe for that bigger wing 3pt shooter although he likely end up in PHX or Cavs.


I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


That would mean no Kat, no Gobert, and no Naz.

Isn't how one gets 'exploited' is relative to the role and who he play against? Our most well rounded players are JMac, Ant, and KA. You can even argue Ant and KA get exploited in situations. To @minimus' point about needing defense. Schroeder as a backup PG is fairly well rounded and a very good defender and major upgrade from Nowell/JMcl. Watanabe was decent defender at 6'8" when he played with KD but we are talking about a low cost, 8th or 9th guy that fills some needs.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#287 » by minimus » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm

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minimus wrote:
TimberKat wrote:I like Schroeder. He can drive, break down defense and defense. Maybe a little better with the French connection too. If we keep NAW, would like to add Watanabe for that bigger wing 3pt shooter although he likely end up in PHX or Cavs.


I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


Shroder isn’t a bad defender tho. He is actually a good point of attack defender.

He has been constantly hunted in cross matches due to lack of size, and he is not good on ball defender because he is not good at fighting through screens.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#288 » by Norseman79 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:17 pm

How's this for somebody they might be able to get for cheap, Terrance Davis Jr.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#289 » by minimus » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:21 pm

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minimus wrote:
I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


That would mean no Kat, no Gobert, and no Naz.

Isn't how one gets 'exploited' is relative to the role and who he play against? Our most well rounded players are JMac, Ant, and KA. You can even argue Ant and KA get exploited in situations. To @minimus' point about needing defense. Schroeder as a backup PG is fairly well rounded and a very good defender and major upgrade from Nowell/JMcl. Watanabe was decent defender at 6'8" when he played with KD but we are talking about a low cost, 8th or 9th guy that fills some needs.

Sure for vetmin Schroeder is a good defender, but overall I don't want an undersized shoot first guard to be our backup. He is below average shooter as well.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#290 » by shrink » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:21 pm

slick21 wrote:Decision day on McLaughlin. Makes sense to waive him, right? If only to save approximately $300K. Can always bring him back on the veteran minimum.

I would expect us to keep him. He already knows the system, knows the players and how to feed them, and is liked by the players.

A vet min deal is $2 mil, so $2.3 for JMac as a third PG with the continuity is worth the extra $300,000.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#291 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:21 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
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SO_MONEY wrote:Unless they are really confident in his recovery, it sure seems to me that a 2W makes the most sense. I see Dane Moore keeps slotting in in as an NBA contract.

Because a rookie minimum salary is cheaper than a veteran’s minimum.


You could put him on a 2W and put just about any ZERO year in and get a look at him. That is what I am saying. Kind of pointless to carry a player who can't play when 2W is an option.


Especially since you can have three 2Ws this year.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#292 » by minimus » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pm

twolves31 wrote:[Begley] Free agent Bruce Brown is expected to meet with the Knicks, Rockets, Pacers and Mavericks at the start of free agency, per SNY sources.
[Begley] Bruce Brown is also meeting with the Lakers early in the free agency period, per SNY sources.

[Holmes] The New York Knicks have emerged as favorites to sign Golden State Warriors free agent guard Donte DiVincenzo, league sources told The Chronicle on Thursday night.

Two of our free agent targets.


I hope Connelly has a plan.

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#293 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:24 pm

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slick21 wrote:Decision day on McLaughlin. Makes sense to waive him, right? If only to save approximately $300K. Can always bring him back on the veteran minimum.

I would expect us to keep him. He already knows the system, knows the players and how to feed them, and is liked by the players.

A vet min deal is $2 mil, so $2.3 for JMac as a third PG with the continuity is worth the extra $300,000.

He's not going to get above the vet minimum anywhere else. Connelly is clearly about clearing as much space as possible going into free agency. I'd be stunned if they didn't waive him, even if they plan to bring him back.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#294 » by twolves31 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:26 pm

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:
slick21 wrote:Decision day on McLaughlin. Makes sense to waive him, right? If only to save approximately $300K. Can always bring him back on the veteran minimum.

I would expect us to keep him. He already knows the system, knows the players and how to feed them, and is liked by the players.

A vet min deal is $2 mil, so $2.3 for JMac as a third PG with the continuity is worth the extra $300,000.

He's not going to get above the vet minimum anywhere else. Connelly is clearly about clearing as much space as possible going into free agency. I'd be stunned if they didn't waive him, even if they plan to bring him back.


I wonder if they restructure it to the 2 mil minimum, every dollar counts when we are this close to the luxury tax.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#295 » by minimus » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:27 pm

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minimus wrote:
TimberKat wrote:I like Schroeder. He can drive, break down defense and defense. Maybe a little better with the French connection too. If we keep NAW, would like to add Watanabe for that bigger wing 3pt shooter although he likely end up in PHX or Cavs.


I don't want anyone in this roster who can be exploited as mismatch in defense due to size, defense, limited mobility or effort.


That would mean no Kat, no Gobert, and no Naz.

That is why we let Nowell, DLo, TP go.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#296 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:27 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Klomp wrote:Because a rookie minimum salary is cheaper than a veteran’s minimum.


You could put him on a 2W and put just about any ZERO year in and get a look at him. That is what I am saying. Kind of pointless to carry a player who can't play when 2W is an option.


Especially since you can have three 2Ws this year.

Does it really make a difference having 15 available actives and only two available two-ways (Clark the third) instead of having 14 available actives (Clark the 15th) and three available two-ways?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#297 » by shrink » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:28 pm

twolves31 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:I would expect us to keep him. He already knows the system, knows the players and how to feed them, and is liked by the players.

A vet min deal is $2 mil, so $2.3 for JMac as a third PG with the continuity is worth the extra $300,000.

He's not going to get above the vet minimum anywhere else. Connelly is clearly about clearing as much space as possible going into free agency. I'd be stunned if they didn't waive him, even if they plan to bring him back.


I wonder if they restructure it to the 2 mil minimum, every dollar counts when we are this close to the luxury tax.

Good point guys, I do expect him back, but it certainly could be for $2 mil, if he wants to stay here.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#298 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:32 pm

I want to remind people about the $4,374,000 Vanderbilt trade exception that we have until the 6th and the $3,688,117 Russell trade exception that we have until February. Those could potentially be in play as well.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#299 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:40 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
Klomp wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:You could put him on a 2W and put just about any ZERO year in and get a look at him. That is what I am saying. Kind of pointless to carry a player who can't play when 2W is an option.

So an undrafted rookie should get an active roster spot over the guy you just drafted? What does that say to Clark? We only believe in you on a year-by-year basis?

I get that money-wise it makes sense, but on a human level I just don't think that's a fair practice. It's literally the same money to reverse that, giving Clark the spot. You're not losing money.


Yes, if he can't play, you give him a 2W and add him to the roster next year Worst case the player you put on the roster is off the team and you didn't waste a year of his contact.

If Clark doesn't understand we have invested in him by drafting him, giving medical treatment, developing him and paying him while he is not playing... maybe he isn't the hard nosed personality people are making him out to be. And frankly, being a 2nd round pick is not a guarantee, most are cut or end up as 2W and at 53 he should be thankful for the opportunity. You wouldn't be mistreating him, he isn't getting a raw deal.

I actually 100% agree with you.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#300 » by slick21 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 4:40 pm

Klomp wrote:I want to remind people about the $4,374,000 Vanderbilt trade exception that we have until the 6th and the $3,688,117 Russell trade exception that we have until February. Those could potentially be in play as well.


Can you explain how those work in relation to cap space?

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