Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Netaman]

FVV got paid. Could have had KD and gone on a run or cleaned up picks at the deadline. Pretty big whiff for Masai.

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[Decipher]

FVV getting paid more than Kyrie is just nuts

[JoseRizal]

Cam's contract may appear an overpay in hindsight (though RFA's usually are). But if we consider how good Mikal's contract is, it somewhat offsets it. The latter would gladly have the former back in fold.

They combine roughly an average of 50M a year, which is quite acceptable for 2 starters in a team.

[Netaman]

kind of shocked seth only got the bi-annual. helps explain why he wasn't moved at the deadline, cant imagine there was any offer out there better than a few seconds.

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[ecuhus1981]

Yeah, I never understood the outrage from Nets fans on us not moving him at the deadline. I wish we had gotten something for him, but it seems there was zero market for him. After the 7/11 trades, we were one of the least talented teams in the shot creation department. Seth does that, even though he hurts you in other areas. If even WE didn't want him, a team that desperately needed the thing he does best, what do you think other teams would give for him?

I'm happy he's back in Dallas, hopefully he regains form in a familiar environment.

[therealbig3]

I liked Seth Curry a lot, think he got too much flack last year. He's a really good role player who can get hot from 3 and also create a bit off the dribble. But he's weak defensively and he's not a guy that can actually carry an offense for an entire game even, just for a stretch of possessions here and there.

He's a better version of Joe Harris, in that he's much more reliable in pressure situations and is an animal when you pair him with legit superstars. Put him on the 2021 team, and we win the title imo. We just needed one guy once Kyrie went down other than KD that could hit shots reliably, and we didn't have that. The wide open 3s that Harris kept getting and kept bricking wouldn't have been nearly as big of an issue if that was Seth instead.

[Paradise]

Losing Joe Harris, Seth Curry and Yuta in one day means we’re going to need way more shooting as a priority going forward in FA and trades.

Cam cannot be the only efficient three point shooter on the team.

[Netaman]

dlo sitting out there, any interest if you can get him and fit it within the $ of royce/dfs on a 1 or 2 year deal?

insane he's still only 27. i could see him aging like DDR.

[ecuhus1981]

OK, so the first round of musical chairs is almost done, and there weren't too many surprises.

My top remaining free agents are as follows ((r) = restricted free agent):

Miles Bridges (r)
Austin Reaves (r)
D'Angelo Russell
PJ Washington (r)
Dillon Brooks
Grant Williams (r)
Brook Lopez
Christian Wood
Donte DiVincenzo
Dwight Powell

I expect all of the RFA's to sign with their current teams. The one to watch is Grant Williams: they just added Porzingis for big money, and they need to extend Brown on the supermax or he might walk next summer. They might not offer what he feels he is worth, so I expect Grant to take the QO and become an UFA next summer.

Our former All-Star D'Angelo is in a cringey spot. He balled out at times in the Lakers' postseason run, but looked pretty bad against Denver. LA's front office has trumpeted the need to re-sign Reaves, and they just gave Hachimura big money. They also filled Russell's spot with Gabe Vincent, and let his backup Schroeder walk to Toronto. If LA doesn't want him, where would he go?

Brooks sounds likely to go to Houston, with the small amount of remaining capspace they have after signing Van Vleet.

Wood doesn't seem to have a strong suitor. He really could be the bargain basement pickup of the offseason, and we could sure use some frontcourt scoring acumen. I'm just sayin...

Donte turned down a $5mil player option to hit the open market, so he's looking for more. NYK is rumored to desire him, but with an already stacked (and expensive) backcourt, I don't see the capability. I would love to add him, but I don't think we could comfortably offer more than the BAE, which is less than he declined.

Powell seems likely to return to Dallas, they've been outbidding themselves for his services since they drafted him.


NOTE: the dumping of Joe Harris opens up our ability to use the non-taxpayer MLE, which starts ~ $12mil/yr. That's a huge difference compared to the taxpayer version of $5mil/yr. We look poised to use it, and on one of the above list.

[Paradise]

Christian Wood, Malik Beasley, Dwight Powell, Mo Bamba are all pretty good options.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we did bring back D’Lo.

[Netaman]

grant williams sort of stands out as a target to poach from boston. they are up against the cap so it may not take full MLE. he gives them a stretch big with some beef even if he's not quite big enough to be a small ball center, but maybe he is?

cap space is drying up all over and with the exceptions it's very possible they trade for someone under contract instead of signing someone in FA.

[Papi_swav]

I can see us using our MLE on Wood. I'd like PJ Washington but Charlotte will match anything he gets at this point I think. I see us doing a minor trade at some point with our trade exception .

[Netaman]

supposedly DLo and Lakers were talking about a 2 year 40m deal. if that's the ballpark on the price i'd be interested. Even better if it can be 18m and fit into the KD trade exception. send Royce some place for a pick in a separate deal. maybe to houston for kj martin? sign Landale.

DLo / Dinwiddie
Simmons / Whitehead
Bridges / DFS
Cam / Clowney
Claxton / Landale

still have dinwiddie as an expiring and the harris trade exception. not sure what you'd do with cam thomas. pretty sure you can get under the lux tax with that group, but if not you can definitely do it if you trade DFS and dont take back too much salary.

[Karate Diop]

Christian Wood, Malik Beasley, Dwight Powell, Mo Bamba are all pretty good options.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we did bring back D’Lo.

If we sign either Wood out Beasley I will revolt.

[CalamityX12]

Personally think it's rather high but if Cam does take his game to another level, it'll even out. He has the tools so that's why I can see it was done at that price

Plus if no bueno, we trade.

agreed. to me it's the Joe Harris or Crabbe contract, but with a little more upside since he's more dynamic than either of them were. If the first 2 guys shot 37% they were close to useless, Cam was still a useful player putting up 16 ppg as a net not shooting his best.

it's not a great value unless he hits another level but he's useful.

I can see Cam take it to a new level as long as it's team ball...

If they start ISO bs then it ain't gonna work

[JoseRizal]

dlo sitting out there, any interest if you can get him and fit it within the $ of royce/dfs on a 1 or 2 year deal?

insane he's still only 27. i could see him aging like DDR.

I'd rather give him a chance on the cheap than endure another starting PG season from Spencer.

[Shark]

So we signed Dennis Smith Jr. A bit of a weird signing considering his poor 3pt shooting. But he does at least create for others.

[Paradise]

So we signed Dennis Smith Jr. A bit of a weird signing considering his poor 3pt shooting. But he does at least create for others.

He’s turning into a great on ball defender. He’s only 25. Same age as Bridges and younger than Cam. We could possibly turn him around into a key role player.

[Netaman]

So we signed Dennis Smith Jr. A bit of a weird signing considering his poor 3pt shooting. But he does at least create for others.

agreed, right now the back court is a very strange melange of skill sets with gaping holes.

dinwiddie is the best of the bunch but we know best served if they can get him in a 6th man role.

royce is a complimentary player and they don't have anyone good enough for him to compliment. they probably need more than he can give. DSJ may be a signal he's on the way out and they know they need someone with on ball defense?

cam t is their highest upside scorer but brings nothing to the table beyond that and they dont seem to be that high on him the way they buried him at the end of the year.

simmons is the most talented but who knows what he'll be? and even at his best he is a unicorn you need the right players around since he cant shoot.

sumner and dsj give them 2 athletic/interesting backup points, though i wonder if there's room for both of them.

patty is a cheap shooter who now probably has a small role with seth/harris gone if his expiring isn't need elsewhere.

they desperately need to find a way to consolidate some of that talent into a starter who can make an impact though. no it won't make them a contender even if that player is Lillard, but there is value in just being a better team. There's a reason Miami is always on everyone's trade demand list. they are always a solid team. that is the type of culture marks wanted to build when he got here and seems like what they are trying to get back to. i dont know if that player is murray, sexton, dlo, or someone else entirely but the best thing they could do would be to package the $ owed to the 30+ 3/d wings royce + dfs and convert that into an upgrade in the backcourt next to dinwiddie/simmons (who can fight for the other spot and 6th man).

[Netaman]

this should get interesting league wide from here out. everyone saying the trade exceptions never work out, pretty sure that won't be the case based on where everything is cap-wise. there is no cap space left. only 3 teams with more usable (practical) cap space right now than the KD and Harris TPEs.

we've seen first hand that moving contracts like collins, poole, etc isn't easy.

we know there are some bigger shoes to drop leaguewide (harden, portland, maybe toronto).

nets are $15m or so under the luxury tax and we know nets have had extensive conversations re dfs/oneale who combined can match $25m+ in incoming salary. so there's a good amount of room to get a stretch 5 and rebalance the roster by adding a starting guard making 18-25m.