The current depth chart

[Skybox]

Can’t be all-rookie team if you’re third string. Assuming no more activity other than MoW/Bol decision…

What is the expected minutes distribution in our backcourt?

(Black and Howard COULD pick up some minutes at SF…but that spot is pretty stacked with Franz and Ingles both needing meaningful minutes…Okeke and Houstan likely out of the mix there too. I’m not too worried about the frontcourt, as Isaac and/or MoW will fill in where needed…I would have really liked a shotblocker- let’s hope Isaac is the comeback story of the NBA.

Fultz/Cole/Suggs/Black/Howard/Harris is just too many “decent but not great” guys that truly deserve minutes. Harris could defer, IMO, if ANY of them show consistent 3pt shooting, but all the others are young and hungry and it’d be a slap in the face to be parked on the bench. I don’t just mean emotionally, I mean development and seeing what we’ve got with high lotto picks. Something has to give, and soon. I’d love to see a “2 for 1” move, even if it’s just a marginal upgrade at a guard spot. I doubt it, but there’s still a case for Herro or Simons, depending on what Dame triggers.

How do you see the minutes?

[p0peye]

Our backcourt is a ****.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

This roster is a mess. It’s too crowded. We have to consolidate otherwise we’ve just created a situation where so many will be complaining about minutes. This might have worked when we had multiple injuries but if everyone is healthy how do they gain a pathway to succeed here?

[basketballRob]

I think our backcourt rotation could be 4 PGs. Black, Suggs, Cole, and Fultz.

Suggs was way better than Harris as a starting SG last season. Harris is more of a spot up shooter and can't break down a defense.

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[p0peye]

We have 6 guards of roughly similar quality (all backups) who will battle each other for minutes and status.

[eyriq]

Respectfully, I also think you are over-rating Black. Rookie PGs are universally super-high TO players. And start with eFG% numbers about 5-10% below positional expectations. No rookie PG ever has positive plus/minus metrics. Fultz and Anthony are positive players in net outcomes.

What I am confident we do both agree on though is that this team has too many guards. Even if Black and Howard are starters on day one, there needs to be more minutes. Something has got to give here.

Plus minus doesn't help your case.
Cole has a -3.83 RPM
Fultz has a 0.14 RPM

Black will be nowhere near those numbers his rookie year. Expect a high minutes rookie PG to be more like minus-7. That's a pretty typical number. (( of course such a rookie is also usually on a HORRIBLE team )). I'm imagining a "Jaded Ivey" type.

89% of rookie point guards have >= -3.83 RPM
19% of rookie point guards have >= 0.14 RPM

Never has a rookie point guard had a -7 or worse RPM

The facts are not in your favor on this one.

[Ralof]

Can see Black in a 18-20 minutes role from the bench with Anthony running the show,he guarding the opponent best backcourt player,running in transition and giving playmaking with ingles.

[pepe1991]

Can see Black in a 18-20 minutes role from the bench with Anthony running the show,he guarding the opponent best backcourt player,running in transition and giving playmaking with ingles.

Suggs and Cole when Black takes their job

[basketballRob]

Can see Black in a 18-20 minutes role from the bench with Anthony running the show,he guarding the opponent best backcourt player,running in transition and giving playmaking with ingles.

Suggs and Cole when Black takes their job

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[pepe1991]

Can see Black in a 18-20 minutes role from the bench with Anthony running the show,he guarding the opponent best backcourt player,running in transition and giving playmaking with ingles.

Suggs and Cole when Black takes their job

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it's pic of Suggs and Cole off bench, in street suit pointing finger at court toward somebody. Nothing important, just joke

[drsd]

Plus minus doesn't help your case.
Cole has a -3.83 RPM
Fultz has a 0.14 RPM

Black will be nowhere near those numbers his rookie year. Expect a high minutes rookie PG to be more like minus-7. That's a pretty typical number. (( of course such a rookie is also usually on a HORRIBLE team )). I'm imagining a "Jaded Ivey" type.

89% of rookie point guards have >= -3.83 RPM
19% of rookie point guards have >= 0.14 RPM

Never has a rookie point guard had a -7 or worse RPM

The facts are not in your favor on this one.

We are oranges and eggs here. I am talking plus/minus and you are talking RPM.

For plus-minus, as an example: Jaden Ivey. His +/- per 100 possessions was minus-13.8. His on/off numbers were minus-11.8 .
These are the numbers of a PG/combo-guard given large minutes on a roster with horrible teammates.

Put Black in, for example the Wizards, these are his starting lines.

I will wager your house that Black's plus/minus and on/off numbers will be the worst of all Magic guards named not-Howard or not-Houstan; that is, when compared to Fultz, Anthony, G-Harris, and Suggs. Or any guard traded for.

[drsd]

Well, this is the current depth chart:
Fultz/Anthony/Black
G-Harris/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Bol/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

That looks a lot like 16 players to me. Orlando could re-up Bol all the way to the end of training camp. But before game 1, this list needs to be cut by one name. Bol is A1 for being released, but keep an eye on Houstan and Okeke.

The only other path here would be a 2-for-1 trade. Example: G-Harris and Anthony for a new starting SG. Then Bol could be kept.

EDIT: Black and Howard are officially Magicians. Ink is on the paper for at least two years.

[eyriq]

Depth chart based on salary and injury history

PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga

[cedric76]

Depth chart based on salary and injury history

PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga

Very solid

+ Awesome finance for future moves

Go magic

[Skybox]

TOO solid, imo…the frontcourt has a handful of guys (including one who just got $8m) who won’t be shocked to get a DNP…the backcourt has 6 legit guys who NEED minutes…I would drop Harris into the “glad you’re here, sit next to Okeke, we’ll let you know if we need you” category-except he’s the only proven NBA shooter…we might need to make a giveaway move just to clear PT. You cant just sit Cole, Suggs, Fultz, or the two top 11 picks and expect them to grow…Black & Howard are not like Houstan, who’s lucky to be here and happy when you call his name.

I hope we try to move 2 B’s for an A, but something’s gotta give regardless. I don’t love it, but I predict Cole for a future pick…might not even be a first, given the recent valuations …I really hope it’s Cole and Harris for a Herro or Simons level guy. Of course, sending Fultz out is my first preference, but I don’t expect or even feel certain about it…but an on-ball guy needs to go.

If Black goes to Lakeland/Kissimmee

[Knightro]

Depth chart based on salary and injury history

PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga

This ain't happening my guy.

[Skybox]

Depth chart based on salary and injury history

PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga

This ain't happening my guy.

100% agree…so what does happen?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Depth chart based on salary and injury history

PG: Fultz | Black | Cole
SG: Harris | Suggs | Jett
SF: Franz | Ingles | Houstan
PF: Paolo | Isaac | Okeke
C: WCJ | Moritz | Goga

This ain't happening my guy.

100% agree…so what does happen?

I’d guarantee Black sees minutes at SF and Ingles at PF. There’s no way around it unless our sleepy FO moves one of the guards.

[RichCollab]

Here is what I hope happens by the middle of the season but won’t. To get Black minutes.

Fultz/Black
Suggs/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jet/Houstan
Paolo/JI/Ingles/Okeke
WCJ/Goga/M. Wagner.

[basketballRob]

Odds are one of the guards will be injured. I still believe Black will get minutes over Harris.

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