All Things Thunder Offseason Thread

[ThunderBolt]

We were always more likely to make a bigger jump from internal development than adding a player like PJ Washington and that still holds true, but as an outsider looking in it’s hard not to question some things. I think this is Sam’s last year to be “patient” and get possibly get away with it.

[Dadouv47]

We were always more likely to make a bigger jump from internal development than adding a player like PJ Washington and that still holds true, but as an outsider looking in it’s hard not to question some things. I think this is Sam’s last year to be “patient” and get possibly get away with it.

100% related to the Chet injury. Gotta hope we can have a good season from him and Presti won't have another excuse to keep it slow.

[ThunderBolt]

We were always more likely to make a bigger jump from internal development than adding a player like PJ Washington and that still holds true, but as an outsider looking in it’s hard not to question some things. I think this is Sam’s last year to be “patient” and get possibly get away with it.

100% related to the Chet injury. Gotta hope we can have a good season from him and Presti won't have another excuse to keep it slow.

At the moment I'm not seeing an available star that we should target. However if and when that player becomes available I don't see any need to wait on Chet as long as it's not an overlapping position that couldn't share the court with him.

[Mr Thunder Nick]

We were always more likely to make a bigger jump from internal development than adding a player like PJ Washington and that still holds true, but as an outsider looking in it’s hard not to question some things. I think this is Sam’s last year to be “patient” and get possibly get away with it.

100% related to the Chet injury. Gotta hope we can have a good season from him and Presti won't have another excuse to keep it slow.

At the moment I'm not seeing an available star that we should target. However if and when that player becomes available I don't see any need to wait on Chet as long as it's not an overlapping position that couldn't share the court with him.

However there are players like Damian Jones , Kevin Knox , Jock Landale , Jalen McDaniels , Mason Plumlee , Paul Reed , Dario Saric , Christian Wood , Grant Williams , who could us make better. I'm shocked with all this waived contracts the last year like Kemba Walker etc we take another bad contract in Oladipo (and Bertans). Presti's patience bothers me a lot this year.

[jake_swivel]

I don’t see us spending next offseason either with these outrageous contracts that are coming in and having to try to pay Josh and Jalen. If Chet works out, I see us trying to exercise fiduciary responsibility and trying to use all of the assets to replace the contracts of role players as their contracts come up if they perform well. Hope you can sign and trade the Wiggins and Joes of the world to teams under the cap for value.

Look at Strus and Vincent. If Joe and Wiggins or Poku/Dieng have one good series on the way to conference finals, they’ll get offered the moon. I don’t see how they try to pay shai/giddey/Jalen/Chet while adding a “star” or even a jerami grant or pj Washington. John Collins looks like a downright bargain if he goes back to his 15/8 and 40% from 3 baseline.

If Chet is what we hope he is, presti will call it good and try to outmaneuver for affordable role players until like 2031 through the draft. Hope development, culture, and stability pay off and manage around the edges. Hope decent role players develop some Kenrich contract loyalty (although if I’m wiggins, I’m pissed with this treatment). When we don’t have enough roster spots, keep flipping for later picks down the line. Small market moneyball.

[ThunderBolt]

I don’t see us spending next offseason either with these outrageous contracts that are coming in and having to try to pay Josh and Jalen. If Chet works out, I see us trying to exercise fiduciary responsibility and trying to use all of the assets to replace the contracts of role players as their contracts come up if they perform well.

Look at Strus and Vincent. If Joe and Wiggins or Poku/Dieng have one good series on the way to conference finals, they’ll get offered the moon. I don’t see how they try to pay shai/giddey/Jalen/Chet while adding a “star” or even a jerami grant or pj Washington. John Collins looks like a downright bargain if he goes back to his 15/8 and 40% from 3 baseline.

If Chet is good, presti will call it good and try to outmaneuver for affordable role players until like 2031 through the draft. Hope development and stability pay off and manage around the edges. Hope Wiggins and Joe develop some Kendrick loyalty (although if I’m wiggins, I’m pissed with this treatment). When we don’t have enough roster spots, keep flipping for later picks down the line. Small market moneyball.

You're probably right. Like any plan, it's great if it works. Sam and any GM should have a pulse on what his star player's feelings are about winning now and long term but we've seen Sam be wrong before. Bennett's trust and patience is what enhances Presti's strength and weaknesses.

[jake_swivel]

I don’t see us spending next offseason either with these outrageous contracts that are coming in and having to try to pay Josh and Jalen. If Chet works out, I see us trying to exercise fiduciary responsibility and trying to use all of the assets to replace the contracts of role players as their contracts come up if they perform well.

Look at Strus and Vincent. If Joe and Wiggins or Poku/Dieng have one good series on the way to conference finals, they’ll get offered the moon. I don’t see how they try to pay shai/giddey/Jalen/Chet while adding a “star” or even a jerami grant or pj Washington. John Collins looks like a downright bargain if he goes back to his 15/8 and 40% from 3 baseline.

If Chet is good, presti will call it good and try to outmaneuver for affordable role players until like 2031 through the draft. Hope development and stability pay off and manage around the edges. Hope Wiggins and Joe develop some Kendrick loyalty (although if I’m wiggins, I’m pissed with this treatment). When we don’t have enough roster spots, keep flipping for later picks down the line. Small market moneyball.

You're probably right. Like any plan, it's great if it works. Sam and any GM should have a pulse on what his star player's feelings are about winning now and long term but we've seen Sam be wrong before. Bennett's trust and patience is what enhances Presti's strength and weaknesses.

A Dort trade for a short term PF making use of the space already there before the extensions start kicking in makes the most sense, especially with Cason’s addition. Someone on a 2 or 3 year deal.

[Woerzboerg]

We were always more likely to make a bigger jump from internal development than adding a player like PJ Washington and that still holds true, but as an outsider looking in it’s hard not to question some things. I think this is Sam’s last year to be “patient” and get possibly get away with it.

Depends on how things work out. If we somehow reach the Conference Finals, then everybody will like Prestis approach.

[slick_watts]

i do not think it's sam presti's last year to be patient and get away with it. most thunder fans i see lap this stuff up. sam presti just took on $32 million (minimum) into cap space over the next two seasons in return for two draft slots and two 2nd round picks, and we're seeing thinkpieces from thunder media and twitter on how smart he is to utilize cap space this way. i'm not opposed to using cap space to take on salary and assets in general- but we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. i'm thinking we will end up cutting oladipo, too.

[ThunderBolt]

i do not think it's sam presti's last year to be patient and get away with it. most thunder fans i see lap this stuff up. sam presti just took on $32 million (minimum) into cap space over the next two seasons in return for two draft slots and two 2nd round picks, and we're seeing thinkpieces from thunder media and twitter on how smart he is to utilize cap space this way. i'm not opposed to using cap space to take on salary and assets in general- but we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. i'm thinking we will end up cutting oladipo, too.

I don’t think he gets away with it in the sense of ownership or fans demanding he make a move. I think it’s his last year before something happens that forces his hand or he’s going to miss out by doing an Ainge impression.

Shai is the ideal star for okc at the moment but all it takes is him having a little bit of doubt and making a comment about being tired of losing. I’m sure he’s already having guys try to recruit him. We cant always be hunting for the next Andrew Wiggins replacement.

[mr570]

i do not think it's sam presti's last year to be patient and get away with it. most thunder fans i see lap this stuff up. sam presti just took on $32 million (minimum) into cap space over the next two seasons in return for two draft slots and two 2nd round picks, and we're seeing thinkpieces from thunder media and twitter on how smart he is to utilize cap space this way. i'm not opposed to using cap space to take on salary and assets in general- but we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. i'm thinking we will end up cutting oladipo, too.

The casual fans were never going to care anyway until OKC is back in the playoffs or Chet Holmgren starts playing basketball. As long as he has the contingent of fans that do follow trade moves and do understand, at least in some way, what the org is doing, happy, then he's in no danger of losing any part of the fan base. Chet's going to get casual fans' interest anyway, and as long as we have SGA they'll stay engaged.

[jake_swivel]

I don’t think he gets away with it in the sense of ownership or fans demanding he make a move. I think it’s his last year before something happens that forces his hand or he’s going to miss out by doing an Ainge impression.

Shai is the ideal star for okc at the moment but all it takes is him having a little bit of doubt and making a comment about being tired of losing. I’m sure he’s already having guys try to recruit him. We cant always be hunting for the next Andrew Wiggins replacement.

I agree with everything you’re saying. But also, it seems like this CBA is going to really reward teams that have a good base of talent that are very good at hunting the next Aaron Wiggins. Keeping big names is going to be increasingly hard. I think we are going to see the most parity in league history. The margins are going to get slim as heck and we will see lower tier teams that normally weren’t scoring free agents get them. There just won’t be enough space to keep teams together without spending into oblivion. If ever there was an era to have a base of talent and 30 draft picks in the next 6 years, I think this CBA is it.

[jake_swivel]

i do not think it's sam presti's last year to be patient and get away with it. most thunder fans i see lap this stuff up. sam presti just took on $32 million (minimum) into cap space over the next two seasons in return for two draft slots and two 2nd round picks, and we're seeing thinkpieces from thunder media and twitter on how smart he is to utilize cap space this way. i'm not opposed to using cap space to take on salary and assets in general- but we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. i'm thinking we will end up cutting oladipo, too.

I hear you. I don’t think presti’s patience was initially with this CBA in mind, but I do think that this CBA will reward patience and conservative building if you hit on a few big pieces. If Sam is anything, he’s a game theory guy. He works the edges for advantages. I think this is a really good set up for him.

[slick_watts]

signing micic is something. it seems antithetical to the stated approach. he cannot be traded until december 15. i hope there's more happening.

[jake_swivel]

signing micic is something. it seems antithetical to the stated approach. he cannot be traded until december 15. i hope there's more happening.

Friggin weird. I’m beginning to suspect the Thunder legit view Jalen/Josh/Kenrich as being able to play 4 pretty much full time going forward.

[ThunderBolt]

Well it’s more exciting than waking up and seeing we got dipo. So there’s that.

[jake_swivel]

Honestly though, with the contracts we’ve been seeing this contract is tradeable as heck if he’s halfway decent.

[jake_swivel]

Weird that they picked up JREs option. Gotta be a trade or they’re just waiving Mann?

I can’t see dort surviving it to the season.

[jake_swivel]

I'm so disappointed with all of you for doing anything with your lives other than talking about basketball today.

[Dadouv47]

Didn't want Micic because of all the drama last seasons but he's a very good player. Let's see. Presti probably tried to trade him but couldn't find good value so he would rather bet on him having more value after half or a full season in OKC.

Bye Mann?