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drsd wrote:ESPN has a nice table of what FAs should make this off-season. Early numbers are that teams are overpaying.
ESPN link: Projected salaries for every free agent
Optimus_Steel wrote:djguevara114 wrote:Optimus_Steel wrote:At this point, waive Bol and resign Mo Swag and call it a day.
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My thoughts too but again, this would be a major fail by the FO by letting players go for nothing and not capitalizing on assets… They should have traded him then when his value was sky high…
Still holding out hood we do a S&T of Lopez for Harris and Bitadze. S&T Okeke for Grant Williams and then resign M. Wagner…
I truly don’t get Ingles at this point in time for the Magic—don’t dislike Ingles just think it’s a reach at 11M.
Bol probably doesn't have that much value. After he got covid he went downhill, is that a covid thing of just Bol being Bol. Given his history it is probably Bol being Bol. Btw I don't think OKK is a free agent, we picked up his option.
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Skybox wrote:I’d say our best chance at a big-ish move would be to help POR & MIA facilitate a Dame move when he finally makes a decision…
We should still have some cap space, POR will be looking for picks that MIA doesn’t have, POR likely doesn’t value Herro with their young guard rotation, and Dame has a massive deal that MIA will have difficulty squeezing in.
ORL sends Gary Harris (13m expiring), Cole Anthony (5.5m expiring- but either team would likely value)
with ORL top 5 protected 24 frp and/or DEN 25 frp…
ORL absorbs remaining portion of Herro’s $27m into cap space
ORL gets a young starting SG who can spread the floor, create, and go for 30 on any given night-and thin the bloated backcourt of players that aren’t part of the long-term picture. There will be complaints about Herro’s defense, but he’s clearly a superior scoring option to the guys going out. His $27m sounds quite reasonable in light of what we’re seeing young guys get and what Franz & Paolo will command very soon.
Fultz, Black
Herro, Suggs, Howard
Franz, Ingles, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, Okeke
WCJ, Goga, M. Wagner
We’ll have some flexibility (if we want) with Fultz & Isaac ‘s $34m+ at TD or summer, but maybe they both have strong seasons and we’re set. 24 draft is supposedly weak and we’re overloaded with kids anyway. Moving the pick for a young proven scorer sounds steep but makes sense…top 5 protection provides us catastrophic coverage…in the event injuries etc killing this season.
*alternatively, POR might prefer Herro and give us Simons in the 3-way deal. I like Cole and I’d prefer him heading to POR so we’re not dealing with him 4x yearly in MIA.
djguevara114 wrote:I’m trying so hard to trust this FO but these moves make absolutely no sense… I don’t dislike Ingles, I dislike him for the current make-up of our team… If you’re gonna sign a 35 year old veteran, you go after Brook Lopez who truly fills a need!
pepe1991 wrote:Difference being fact that Vleet is massive expiring in two years, where our marriage with Fultz will probably last much longer
tiderulz wrote:djguevara114 wrote:I’m trying so hard to trust this FO but these moves make absolutely no sense… I don’t dislike Ingles, I dislike him for the current make-up of our team… If you’re gonna sign a 35 year old veteran, you go after Brook Lopez who truly fills a need!
Brook wasnt going to come here. 35 yr old Ingles who wasnt wanted by any contender and being overpaid, even if only for 1 year, was.
djguevara114 wrote:Optimus_Steel wrote:djguevara114 wrote:
My thoughts too but again, this would be a major fail by the FO by letting players go for nothing and not capitalizing on assets… They should have traded him then when his value was sky high…
Still holding out hood we do a S&T of Lopez for Harris and Bitadze. S&T Okeke for Grant Williams and then resign M. Wagner…
I truly don’t get Ingles at this point in time for the Magic—don’t dislike Ingles just think it’s a reach at 11M.
Bol probably doesn't have that much value. After he got covid he went downhill, is that a covid thing of just Bol being Bol. Given his history it is probably Bol being Bol. Btw I don't think OKK is a free agent, we picked up his option.
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No, but Grant Williams is… If we signed him to a contract at about 14M we could create a trade exception for Boston and give them back, at least in theory, a similar type player…
tiderulz wrote:djguevara114 wrote:I’m trying so hard to trust this FO but these moves make absolutely no sense… I don’t dislike Ingles, I dislike him for the current make-up of our team… If you’re gonna sign a 35 year old veteran, you go after Brook Lopez who truly fills a need!
Brook wasnt going to come here. 35 yr old Ingles who wasnt wanted by any contender and being overpaid, even if only for 1 year, was.
sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Who else remembers this board being ultra depressed and despondent when it was rumored that Brook and pics was who we were going to get in the Dwightmare trade? Weird how it turned out with Dwight playing in China and us hoping we can throw a contract at a Vet Lopez.
RookieStar wrote:sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Who else remembers this board being ultra depressed and despondent when it was rumored that Brook and pics was who we were going to get in the Dwightmare trade? Weird how it turned out with Dwight playing in China and us hoping we can throw a contract at a Vet Lopez.
Actually... that was a lot better than what Laker fans wanted us to swallow.. which was one of Bynum/Gasol and trash...
1st time i got a warning I think... lots of obnoxious Laker fans invading our forum with those ridiculous trade proposals.
Optimus_Steel wrote:djguevara114 wrote:Optimus_Steel wrote:
Bol probably doesn't have that much value. After he got covid he went downhill, is that a covid thing of just Bol being Bol. Given his history it is probably Bol being Bol. Btw I don't think OKK is a free agent, we picked up his option.
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No, but Grant Williams is… If we signed him to a contract at about 14M we could create a trade exception for Boston and give them back, at least in theory, a similar type player…
Seeing some of the contracts handed out...I can't see him wanting to settle for $14M.
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Optimus_Steel wrote:tiderulz wrote:djguevara114 wrote:I’m trying so hard to trust this FO but these moves make absolutely no sense… I don’t dislike Ingles, I dislike him for the current make-up of our team… If you’re gonna sign a 35 year old veteran, you go after Brook Lopez who truly fills a need!
Brook wasnt going to come here. 35 yr old Ingles who wasnt wanted by any contender and being overpaid, even if only for 1 year, was.
Let's see what Lopez ends up getting but I think he earned himself a nice increase in salary. He was one of the top defensive players last year.
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RookieStar wrote:sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Who else remembers this board being ultra depressed and despondent when it was rumored that Brook and pics was who we were going to get in the Dwightmare trade? Weird how it turned out with Dwight playing in China and us hoping we can throw a contract at a Vet Lopez.
Actually... that was a lot better than what Laker fans wanted us to swallow.. which was one of Bynum/Gasol and trash...
1st time i got a warning I think... lots of obnoxious Laker fans invading our forum with those ridiculous trade proposals.
RookieStar wrote:I think BroLo is going to the West. All those WCF see Jokic as a roadblock to the ship and they need a Brook to counter that.
tiderulz wrote:djguevara114 wrote:I’m trying so hard to trust this FO but these moves make absolutely no sense… I don’t dislike Ingles, I dislike him for the current make-up of our team… If you’re gonna sign a 35 year old veteran, you go after Brook Lopez who truly fills a need!
Brook wasnt going to come here. 35 yr old Ingles who wasnt wanted by any contender and being overpaid, even if only for 1 year, was.
pepe1991 wrote:Drafting froncourt players just to casually decide to not divorce from anybody from previous decisions and just entering season with Fultz, Suggs, Cole, Harris all in contract years is ... Odd.
If they slap big contract exstension on Fultz , what does that mean for Black, Suggs or Cole?
Pretty much same as it means for Thompson & Porter on Houston. They have you, but they don't trust you. Difference being fact that Vleet is massive expiring in two years, where our marriage with Fultz will probably last much longer
Skybox wrote:RookieStar wrote:I think BroLo is going to the West. All those WCF see Jokic as a roadblock to the ship and they need a Brook to counter that.
HOU still has the cap space to get him. Adding a fierce vet leader in FVV (debate the $$ elsewhere), a solid reliable vet in Brook, a tough sound coach in Udoka...if they whip those kids in shape...that team could jump up...
Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, Alperen Sengun, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Tari Eason, KPJ
Some talented knuckleheads in the bunch, but that's what tough proven vets and coaches are for...tons of talent here.
FVV makes so much sense here and the length of his deal makes it okay. His leadership and accountability mean everything to a group like this and all that vet stuff is limited if you're not also among the best guys on the floor as well as the one with the ball in his hands to set the pace and control the vibe. Great signing for them...same reasons I wanted him in ORL, but they paid a lot of money but they drafted a successor at PG at the same time...the signing is universally approved by NBA people who know.
We don't have the same smattering of untapped talented knuckleheads, IMO, so while I wanted him for the same role - they needed him more and paid for the solution they needed to avoid more years of floundering and waiting for their high picks to get overpaid for empty stats and/or leave.