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Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1081 » by Karate Diop » Sat Jul 1, 2023 3:24 pm

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Shark wrote:So we signed Dennis Smith Jr. A bit of a weird signing considering his poor 3pt shooting. But he does at least create for others.

He’s turning into a great on ball defender. He’s only 25. Same age as Bridges and younger than Cam. We could possibly turn him around into a key role player.


I think his ability to push the pace is why the Nets targeted him. When this team runs it's going to be extremely fun to watch.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1082 » by Netaman » Sat Jul 1, 2023 3:57 pm

oh boy. game on.

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1083 » by Paradise » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:03 pm

Let’s wash away the curse of the Gerald Wallace deal and get Dame where he should’ve been.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1084 » by Netaman » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:11 pm

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1085 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:12 pm

To Miami, fingers crossed! :peace: :lol:
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1086 » by Netaman » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:13 pm

Paradise wrote:Let’s wash away the curse of the Gerald Wallace deal and get Dame where he should’ve been.


amen.

Dinwiddie (20.3m), Royce (9.5m), Patty (6.8m) = just enough in expirings

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1087 » by Shark » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:14 pm

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Dang that's wild. Didn't he want them to resign Grant? :lol:

Thought it was weird. Grant is plenty talented, but he's not a needle mover IMO. Maybe there were certain role players he was hoping they'd target too? Either way things are getting interesting.
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Post#1088 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:17 pm

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Dang that's wild. Didn't he want them to resign Grant? :lol:

Thought it was weird. Grant is plenty talented, but he's not a needle mover IMO. Maybe there were certain role players he was hoping they'd target too? Either way things are getting interesting.

He definitely pulled a KD lol. Let Marks trade a 1st for Royce and chase free agents, knowing he was good as gone.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1089 » by Rich Rane » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:23 pm

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Of course, Portland doesn't have to trade him there, but I'm guessing they accommodate him for being so loyal (even for all the money).
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1090 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:28 pm

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Paradise wrote:Let’s wash away the curse of the Gerald Wallace deal and get Dame where he should’ve been.


amen.

Dinwiddie (20.3m), Royce (9.5m), Patty (6.8m) = just enough in expirings

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The Harris trade isn't official until the 6th, so that could be part of the salary matching. More likely, the Nets would push to include Simmons.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1091 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:29 pm

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Of course, Portland doesn't have to trade him there, but I'm guessing they accommodate him for being so loyal (even for all the money).

They could refuse to take Herro's contract and force Miami to find a taker.
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Post#1092 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:32 pm

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Of course, Portland doesn't have to trade him there, but I'm guessing they accommodate him for being so loyal (even for all the money).

They could refuse to take Herro's contract and force Miami to find a taker.

Hopefully they can lol.

Dame is a stud, but he doesn’t matchup with our timeline.

Let Miami have him and make the East even more interesting. They make total sense for his age and direction.

Then we pounce on a guy like Mitchell.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1093 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:48 pm

Yeah I still don't want Dame. Let him go to Miami.

Luka/Giannis are my targets.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1094 » by Netaman » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:56 pm

respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1095 » by Tha King » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:24 pm

Netaman wrote:respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.

he doesn't match the timeline because we don't really know what this roster is and he alone will absolutely not make this team a contender. With his contract, you need to be competing for a title day one to make it worth it because the latter portion of that contract could be very ugly.

Thankfully he wants to go to Miami specifically - as expected - and you absolutely can't trade what it would take to get him if he wants to be elsewhere going in. Miami makes sense for both sides because they probably ahve the best team in the league with him and can live with his contract if they are competing for a title the next few years.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1096 » by Tha King » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:29 pm

I think Herro could be an interesting buy low pick up if the Blazers don't want him. They already have Simons so there is some redundancy there.

He can't defend but he is not a net negative player like some of the non-defensive guards he gets compared to. He's not Mitchell but you're getting a similar skillset at what would be a fraction of the cost the next several years.
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Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1097 » by Paradise » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:47 pm

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Netaman wrote:respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.

he doesn't match the timeline because we don't really know what this roster is and he alone will absolutely not make this team a contender. With his contract, you need to be competing for a title day one to make it worth it because the latter portion of that contract could be very ugly.

Thankfully he wants to go to Miami specifically - as expected - and you absolutely can't trade what it would take to get him if he wants to be elsewhere going in. Miami makes sense for both sides because they probably ahve the best team in the league with him and can live with his contract if they are competing for a title the next few years.

This roster wouldn’t capable of judgment until he is here or not. Lillard would have enough for a deep postseason run and considering we just added two more TPEs worth a combined $40M I don’t think building a title contender around Lillard, Mikal, CJ, Clax would be too difficult. An East version of the Suns in 2021 minus Paul but including Dame isn’t hard to imagine.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1098 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jul 1, 2023 5:58 pm

Netaman wrote:respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.


Lillard is not a legit #1. He couldn't even get the Blazers to the play in.

He wilts every time he gets to the second round.

He's a great #2. But having a small guard as your #1 option is a recipe for disaster. Curry is the only exception.

We are well positioned to add a star to this team. You don't have to jump up at the first one. Sell the farm for Giannis or Luka.

Both look headed towards a divorce.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1099 » by Shark » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:00 pm

DLo resigns with the Lakers. Just 2 years, but 37 mil. Got paid more than I though he would.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1100 » by Marvin Martian » Sat Jul 1, 2023 6:22 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Netaman wrote:respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.


Lillard is not a legit #1. He couldn't even get the Blazers to the play in.

He wilts every time he gets to the second round.

He's a great #2. But having a small guard as your #1 option is a recipe for disaster. Curry is the only exception.

We are well positioned to add a star to this team. You don't have to jump up at the first one. Sell the farm for Giannis or Luka.

Both look headed towards a divorce.


Giannis and Luka are not coming here. This is not a hot destination. Ky only came here for nostalgia and everyone else came to play with him. If we want stars, we need to draft or trade for one

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