2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[89Magicfan]

I can't speak for the rest of the players on the list, but Banchero didn't play winning ball last season. Any job you do, you'll learn how to be more efficient and do a better quality of job with time. You learn what works and what doesn't.

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Winning ball is what you meant at 26. Being. Good is why you were drafted.

Yes, you have a foundation to work with. Some players like Franz grasp the team concept quicker than others

Ingles is going to help because he's knows exactly what to do to play winning ball.

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You got to play to grasp it.

Right now the roster makes no sense. Maybe it will soon but if this is what it is at the start of the season...Man...

[Dub_Sax]

Listening to nba radio and Mitch Lawrence just said the Magic called about Beal trade but was rejected due to Beals no trade clause. Which Lillard doesn't have and he has now requested a trade to the Heat!

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[djguevara114]

I am a die hard Magic fan for life but I am now a fan of OKC as a second team… How I wish we had their FO… Can’t help but think we would be in a much better position!

[pepe1991]

If you believe what Weltman said about rookies having to earn playing time, there's no way that either of them will AUTOMATICALLY get playing time over Fultz, Cole, Suggs, or Harris.

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So we drafted two players in lottery for depth purposes while starting PG and SG would not be starting on 25 other teams?

Not drafted for depth. Drafted for development. It's up to the coaches to determine at what point does their development warrants playing time.

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There seems to be too many internal motivations for players to not lose their rotation spot this year. 50% of roster is in contract year. Scary times ahead.

[PigsEatHam]

I am a die hard Magic fan for life but I am now a fan of OKC as a second team… How I wish we had their FO… Can’t help but think we would be in a much better position!

We kind of did have their front office for awhile, though. Rob Hennigan came from OKC, and now he's back as assistant GM. It didn't work out all that great, though bad lottery luck had a part in that.

That said, I'm not saying our current GM couldn't be a bit better, a bit bolder with the team-building. But they have put together a better roster than the last GM did (with a longer time frame to accomplish it, granted).

[thelead]

What I don’t understand is where the overall money is coming from. The cap keeps on going up, there are talks of huge new tv deals around the corner, but cable cutting has been an HUGE problem for cable companies and all of the networks are laying off everyone…

It’s not adding up for me.

People watch basketball regardless of the platform. It's all about the number of eyes watching that makes those advertisements so valuable.

Its even more valuable now because the rest of cable networks is so diluted and has less eyes watching it.

So where is all of the actual money/eyes coming from if not from cable? Online subscriptions to ESPN/TNT? Apparel sales? Do you really think the NBA is bringing in enough for this level of spending to continue escalating?

At this rate, we’ll be seeing half billion dollar 5 year contracts in the next 5-10 years. I just don’t see it when ESPN is firing everyone and the regional sports networks filed for bankruptcy a few months ago. It’s not adding up to me.Maybe I’m just missing it entirely.

[3ddman23]

I'd be all in on getting simons or herro to start at that 2 guard spot. But this front office just won't do it. It's a shame casue tk me this is a perfect opportunity to sweep in and steal simons or herro.

[bigdogdylan5]

The front office has put themselves in an interesting position here. I am starting to get nervous as well how they are going to thread this needle. They have to be willing to play hardball with player and make decisions. However I am not panicking until we see what it looks like. I don’t have a bug up my ass about value. If Anthony or Fultz aren’t cutting it we should let them go. We collected all the assets now we need to cut the fat and build a team. It will be tough but I don’t think it’s panic mode.

[djguevara114]

I am a die hard Magic fan for life but I am now a fan of OKC as a second team… How I wish we had their FO… Can’t help but think we would be in a much better position!

We kind of did have their front office for awhile, though. Rob Hennigan came from OKC, and now he's back as assistant GM. It didn't work out all that great, though bad lottery luck had a part in that.

That said, I'm not saying our current GM couldn't be a bit better, a bit bolder with the team-building. But they have put together a better roster than the last GM did (with a longer time frame to accomplish it, granted).

Here’s my one defense if Rob… Alex Martins was the puppeteer behind much of that from my perspective…. He put together a core of Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Oladip, Fournier, and Elfrid Payton… Drafted Sabonis and truly feel he would have let it grow organically but was pushed to make moves…

[Furinkazan]

So we drafted two players in lottery for depth purposes while starting PG and SG would not be starting on 25 other teams?

Not drafted for depth. Drafted for development. It's up to the coaches to determine at what point does their development warrants playing time.

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There seems to be too many internal motivations for players to not lose their rotation spot this year. 50% of roster is in contract year. Scary times ahead.

implosion in 3 2 ...



Weltman adding all these mediocre players to the roster I wonder how they will find playing time for all of them.

[89Magicfan]

Not drafted for depth. Drafted for development. It's up to the coaches to determine at what point does their development warrants playing time.

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There seems to be too many internal motivations for players to not lose their rotation spot this year. 50% of roster is in contract year. Scary times ahead.

implosion in 3 2 ...



Weltman adding all these mediocre players to the roster I wonder how they will find playing time for all of them.

“Evaluation time! Don’t worry! Cream rises to the top!”

So do turds.

[pepe1991]

There seems to be too many internal motivations for players to not lose their rotation spot this year. 50% of roster is in contract year. Scary times ahead.

implosion in 3 2 ...



Weltman adding all these mediocre players to the roster I wonder how they will find playing time for all of them.

“Evaluation time! Don’t worry! Cream rises to the top!”

So do turds.

Solution: draft 11th next year, resign everybody, run it back. Evaluate again

[89Magicfan]

implosion in 3 2 ...



Weltman adding all these mediocre players to the roster I wonder how they will find playing time for all of them.

“Evaluation time! Don’t worry! Cream rises to the top!”

So do turds.

Solution: draft 11th next year, resign everybody, run it back. Evaluate again

And take a nap!

[Furinkazan]

implosion in 3 2 ...



Weltman adding all these mediocre players to the roster I wonder how they will find playing time for all of them.

“Evaluation time! Don’t worry! Cream rises to the top!”

So do turds.

Solution: draft 11th next year, resign everybody, run it back. Evaluate again

almost 100% sure thats how its going to end up

[Skybox]

Dame has spoken. Grant says "Thanks buddy"...Alright, who is the odd man out...Herro or Simons? I'd throw in Harris, Cole (if needed), our remaining cap space post-Ingles signing, DEN pick and our (top 5 protected) 2024 pick to "help" our friends to the South get Lillard for a couple of years of contention (they're doing it anyway) and walk away with our scoring guard for the next 10.

One of those teams would value Cole, but I'd prefer he go West if we lose him. Obviously, Okeke, Houstan, Goga, Isaac salaries are available if needed.

[basketballRob]

I like Simons more than Herro.

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[PigsEatHam]

I am a die hard Magic fan for life but I am now a fan of OKC as a second team… How I wish we had their FO… Can’t help but think we would be in a much better position!

We kind of did have their front office for awhile, though. Rob Hennigan came from OKC, and now he's back as assistant GM. It didn't work out all that great, though bad lottery luck had a part in that.

That said, I'm not saying our current GM couldn't be a bit better, a bit bolder with the team-building. But they have put together a better roster than the last GM did (with a longer time frame to accomplish it, granted).

Here’s my one defense if Rob… Alex Martins was the puppeteer behind much of that from my perspective…. He put together a core of Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Oladip, Fournier, and Elfrid Payton… Drafted Sabonis and truly feel he would have let it grow organically but was pushed to make moves…

That's a reasonable defense. The team seemed like it was starting to come together and then the Harris and Oladipo trades kind of derailed the vision.

[pepe1991]

Imo Hennigan was victim of own mistakes ,cancers he didn't know when to drop.

Payton menaged to lose starting job for 3 different coaches in 3 different years.

Yet he was still 100% supporting him as "starter" as he never even tried to find starting level PG or even backup to challenge him.

Harris was slight overpay, but he panicked as he just drafted Hezonja and Gordon, who both played same/similar position as Harris.

One mistake led to another, in year when we had money, instad of FINALLY adressing PG position, we traded Oladipo for Ibaka and signed BIyombo and Green. All 3 players that stil didn't solve fact that it was f**** Elfrid Payton tasked to do thing he can't - run a damn offense.

Evan over night becomes "core"p player by default as only person capable of shooting from perimeter.



Even after Hammond and Weltman took over, they still wasted one whole season doing nothing, than most hilarious thing happends, same roster, where Payton is dropped FOR NOTHING , makes playoffs with DJ Augustin starting. Same DJ Augustin who was brought to Payton's backup. Payton's fade from nba was so quick that in matter of two years he was no longer rotation player.


This is what happends when you think with emotions instad of your head as front office. Payton proved he isn't starting level PG back in 2016. But Hennigan elected to be a blind to a fact.

[jezzerinho]

“Evaluation time! Don’t worry! Cream rises to the top!”

So do turds.

Solution: draft 11th next year, resign everybody, run it back. Evaluate again

And take a nap!

A 364-day one!

[djguevara114]

What do y’all think about Gary Harris and Bol to Celtics for Brogdon?

This helps Celtics she’s some cap and capture to expirings… Brogdon is a great vet to mentor our youth and can play both guard positions… He’s hurt so won’t cut into playing time while he recovers and frees up a roster spot to resign Moe Wagner…???

WCJ / Bitadze / M. Wagner
Banchero / Isaac / Okeke
F. Wagner / Ingles / Houstan
Suggs / Anthony / Howard
Fultz / Black / Brogdon