Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[LeonJordanJr24]

Jaylen Brown and lavine is guys I'm looking into.

[Slacktard]

I think we'll be out of contending this year.
We're going to trade Harden for a couple of expirings (RoCo and Batum) and Mann. Maybe a distant pick, if we're lucky and the Clips are desperate. Maybe a Tucker for Morris swap

Then, we're going to empty the cap for the next summer, with only joel and maxey (and eventually mann) signed.
That will be "our summer": either we'll be able to build another contender around Joel or he will ask out from Philly.

BTW i would monitor the J.Brown situation in Boston: I'm not sure the Celtics are going to give him the super max neither he want be locked up with Tatum for the next few years.

Empty the cap for whom?

[sixers hoops]

Dame joins the mercenary clowns. Some shameful stars in this era.

I don’t think what he is doing is any different than what Wilt, Barkley, Kobe, Clyde, Shaq, Garnett, etc did. Requesting a trade or leaving in FA because your timeline doesn’t lineup with the team’s rebuilding timeline makes sense. I think you see it more often now because of free agency, draft lottery, and a salary cap.

If you get drafted by a team with an elite front office and an ability to recruit talent, then you aren’t faced with this type of decision. Kobe forced a trade to the Lakers before playing a single game, and that was almost 30 years ago. Tim Duncan and Steph Curry were drafted by great teams who had great coaches and front office execs, so they never had to make tough decisions.

If I’m Lebron and see that the Cavs front office is clueless, I would have left too. I just wouldn’t have went to a team with an alpha star in place. Lebron jumping on Wade’s coattails and Durant on Curry’s, I thought were most shameful. If you believe you are good enough to be the best player on a title team, go to a team with resources, then build a culture and identity with your own leadership. At least Lebron redeemed himself with the Cavs title. That was hard earned.

Dame built his whole reputation on loyalty and openly criticizing those guys, though. So he looks mad hypocritical now.

True. I think if he could win a title with the Sixers or Heat, two teams who are contenders but are far from favorites, I give him some respect. He goes to Milwaukee, he is winning it on the championship base that Giannis built, so it’s not the same in my eyes.

[kriss73]

I think we'll be out of contending this year.
We're going to trade Harden for a couple of expirings (RoCo and Batum) and Mann. Maybe a distant pick, if we're lucky and the Clips are desperate. Maybe a Tucker for Morris swap

Then, we're going to empty the cap for the next summer, with only joel and maxey (and eventually mann) signed.
That will be "our summer": either we'll be able to build another contender around Joel or he will ask out from Philly.

BTW i would monitor the J.Brown situation in Boston: I'm not sure the Celtics are going to give him the super max neither he want be locked up with Tatum for the next few years.

Empty the cap for whom?

That's the problem...not a great FA class, right?

[LeonJordanJr24]

We ain't outta contention with Embiid and Maxey and company. If you think we are you smoking...

[Ben]

What's going to be the Miami package?
Herro, Lowry, and some picks?

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Those Heat picks could be valuable with Jimmy & Dame aging into their late 30s. Probably not a bad haul depending on the pick protections.

There's no question about it; Miami could offer a pretty attractive package. Herro is a young, 20ppg scorer on a multi-year contract that by this year's standards is extremely affordable (3/93) remaining. And they have Lowry and draft picks. I could absolutely see that happening. Plus, Riley has to feel that he can just replace his outgoing young players by identifying future talent as he's done in the past.

[FireMorey]

On a different note, I'd never thought I would get to this point but I think I'll be done following the NBA after Embiid's 76ers career is over.

I'm all for player empowerment as I feel like all this newfound private equity ownership of sports franchises represents the worst of the worst in terms of guys who are willing to wring out every bit of value out of irrational fandom of regular people. In any discussion of who's the bad guy in sports, the owners are so far worse than the players who are being vilified it's sickening.

But my personal enjoyment of sports (and the 76ers included) is for there to be a fair ability to restrict player movement when you draft players and develop them. All the stars finding and using their leverage to go where they want to go and sticking it to the owners is what I believe is right for the players but bad for my fandom.

It seems like I'll be giving up my fandom in basketball. There's a big problem in having small rosters and in any given year knowing if you don't have say, one of three of four players, you are just in the group of 26 teams twiddling your thumbs for a season. A big problem with no clear solution and I doubt the NBA will ever implement my suggestion of eliminating max salaries. Someone should be allowed to pay Doncic or LBJ (or whomever) 85% of the cap and then only have minimum salaries around him.

Individual player impact is more muted in other sports like football, hockey, and baseball so there more opportunity for non-major or lifestyle markets like Philly so the Eagles, Flyers, and Phillies will always have a better chance to remain competitive than the Sixers.

If it were me, I'd settle for just watching Embiid play as a 76er for the rest of his playing career, but I know in the player empowerment era (which I support) the likelihood I'd get my wish as a fan is almost zero.

I'm pretty much done as a professional basketball fan. Embiid putting on a 76ers jersey is about the last thing keeping me hanging on by a thread.

I don't blame you, and I bet you won't miss it either. Once you take time off watching NBA you realize it's not all that great, especially the regular season.

[sixers hoops]

Jaylen Brown and lavine is guys I'm looking into.

I feel like Jaylen is re-signing with the team he finishes next season with. If the Celts are going to give him the super max or whatever he qualified for, they will prob trade him so they don’t lose him for nothing. And he will prob sign with that team. I don’t see him really hitting the open market though.

[Stanford]

We ain't outta contention with Embiid and Maxey and company. If you think we are you smoking...

Embiid by himself is going to get you 45 wins. He's a regular season God.

[Kobblehead]

Lavine has developed into one of the best regular season SGs in the league. But completely unproven in the playoffs. Looked like poop in the first showing a couple years back.

[Jailblazers7]

Dame requesting a trade so he has a title shot in the back half of his 30s is very different from KD or Lebron jumping ship to a super team in the middle of their prime.

It’s in the best interest of both Dame & Portland to go their separate ways.

[mjkvol]

Whatever the Sixers decide to do there needs to be a direction. Either go all in to win or take a step back to reset and go for it next summer. Them trading Harden for a package of role players that don’t offer long term flexibility plus signing a few bench guys and trying to sell to the fans that team + Nurse can win a title is not going to go over well. That’s half measure nonsense.

Totally agree. Don't half-ass it, which is what I fear will happen. Problem is that aside from the Kahwi pipe dream I don't see anyone who can come in and give us even a chance at really competing for a title. I don't buy Lillard, George, DeRozan, or (gasp) Levine as 'put us over the top' players, and they come with toxic deals that will cripple the franchise for years.

My respect for Morey would go through the roof if he brought back picks and expirings for Harden, and did a one year Process kind of thing, selling it that way. Only idiot fans would have a problem with that approach.

I would take a Harden for Murray deal, but how on earth could Atlanta believe that Harden and Young could coexist?

[mjkvol]

Jaylen Brown and lavine is guys I'm looking into.

Young isn't happening, and Levine would be worse than any other conceivable option.

[kriss73]

We ain't outta contention with Embiid and Maxey and company. If you think we are you smoking...

To contend, you need to get out of 2nd round in the Po, so....

[Kobblehead]

Dame requesting a trade so he has a title shot in the back half of his 30s is very different from KD or Lebron jumping ship to a super team in the middle of their prime.

It’s in the best interest of both Dame & Portland to go their separate ways.

Yeah, but Dame was so damn righteous over the last 5 years. So the fact that his "loyalty" brand had an expiration date is kind of hilarious to me.

[sixers hoops]

How about if this can happen:

Embiid
Morris
Covington
Mann
Lillard

I think that’s just a worse team than we had last year.

Yeah. From what I read, Cov is not longer a rotational player. He is more suited for small minutes or step in a few weeks for an injury. Prob almost the same with Morris. I think they are more salary filler than guys projected to be starters.

[mjkvol]

I think we'll be out of contending this year.
We're going to trade Harden for a couple of expirings (RoCo and Batum) and Mann. Maybe a distant pick, if we're lucky and the Clips are desperate. Maybe a Tucker for Morris swap

Then, we're going to empty the cap for the next summer, with only joel and maxey (and eventually mann) signed.
That will be "our summer": either we'll be able to build another contender around Joel or he will ask out from Philly.

BTW i would monitor the J.Brown situation in Boston: I'm not sure the Celtics are going to give him the super max neither he want be locked up with Tatum for the next few years.

Empty the cap for whom?

I see that a lot, and don't get it. The way things change from year to year in this league now, there's no telling who might come available next off season. Regardless, making a less than acceptable deal now isn't a good alternative.

[mjkvol]

Dame requesting a trade so he has a title shot in the back half of his 30s is very different from KD or Lebron jumping ship to a super team in the middle of their prime.

It’s in the best interest of both Dame & Portland to go their separate ways.

Not comparing Lillard to those two, the 'kings' of sellouts, but he wants to be patted on the back for his loyalty at the same time he's asking to be moved. I don't blame him at all for asking out, but save us the self-righteousness.

[FireMorey]

Whatever the Sixers decide to do there needs to be a direction. Either go all in to win or take a step back to reset and go for it next summer. Them trading Harden for a package of role players that don’t offer long term flexibility plus signing a few bench guys and trying to sell to the fans that team + Nurse can win a title is not going to go over well. That’s half measure nonsense.

Totally agree. Don't half-ass it, which is what I fear will happen. Problem is that aside from the Kahwi pipe dream I don't see anyone who can come in and give us even a chance at really competing for a title. I don't buy Lillard, George, DeRozan, or (gasp) Levine as 'put us over the top' players, and they come with toxic deals that will cripple the franchise for years.

My respect for Morey would go through the roof if he brought back picks and expirings for Harden, and did a one year Process kind of thing, selling it that way. Only idiot fans would have a problem with that approach.

I would take a Harden for Murray deal, but how on earth could Atlanta believe that Harden and Young could coexist?

Thing is, I don't think Nick Nurse was hired to come here and coach a team that's expected to reset. Could be wrong though.

[Jailblazers7]

Dame requesting a trade so he has a title shot in the back half of his 30s is very different from KD or Lebron jumping ship to a super team in the middle of their prime.

It’s in the best interest of both Dame & Portland to go their separate ways.

Not comparing Lillard to those two, the 'kings' of sellouts, but he wants to be patted on the back for his loyalty at the same time he's asking to be moved. I don't blame him at all for asking out, but save us the self-righteousness.

Yeah, sometimes it best to just keep quiet & let other people do the talking for you.