Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24

[aim2please]

Rockets massively overpaid VanVleet, forced Bucks to overpay for Lopez. Who's the next guy they're gonna overpay for? Dillon Brooks hopes it's him otherwise he's got nowhere to go.

Grant Williams

He's one of the best players left. I think it's Brooks though. It's probably gonna be announced soon.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Pat Bev isn’t good at this sport and Philly is a poverty franchise.

Carry the hell on…

Perk, is that you?

He's an imposter. Carry the hell on.

[chrisab123]

Spears is in fantasy land about Tatum trying to recruit Dame. Dame probably puts Riley on 3 way with Tatum and by the end of the call Tatum is going to ask Brad for a trade to Miami.

[Celtics_Champs]

Spears is in fantasy land about Tatum trying to recruit Dame. Dame probably puts Riley on 3 way with Tatum and by the end of the call Tatum is going to ask Brad for a trade to Miami.

Where did spears say this

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Spears is in fantasy land about Tatum trying to recruit Dame. Dame probably puts Riley on 3 way with Tatum and by the end of the call Tatum is going to ask Brad for a trade to Miami.

Yeah he wants Miami and that's what he's going to get. Portland fans are in complete denial about the complete and utter **** they're going to get in return for him.

[ajones9219]

Spears is in fantasy land about Tatum trying to recruit Dame. Dame probably puts Riley on 3 way with Tatum and by the end of the call Tatum is going to ask Brad for a trade to Miami.

You think far too much of the LA/Miami draw.

[zoyathedestroya]

Spears is in fantasy land about Tatum trying to recruit Dame. Dame probably puts Riley on 3 way with Tatum and by the end of the call Tatum is going to ask Brad for a trade to Miami.

Yeah he wants Miami and that's what he's going to get. Portland fans are in complete denial about the complete and utter **** they're going to get in return for him.

They're still trying to pretty up the pile of **** they're gonna send Portland's way by trying to involve other teams.

[ajones9219]

Smart Pritchard and picks would have been nice package if the Clippers didn’t **** us on Brogdon

Please there are posters on this board who probably wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Dame. They would have lost their **** slightly less than they did regarding Porzingis.

Hes a Miami Heat. Celtics can match salary without giving up Porzingis Brown Rob or Tatum. They can even give a better package out of that to the Blazers than the Heat would. The problem is that Dame will not come to Boston. He wants to go to Miami or Brooklyn thats it. I don't want a disgruntled superstar and wondering if he's going to show up

Please. He would be on a contender and have multiple years left. Miss me with the "disgruntled" crap

[Bohemian]

I expected Jaylen to be signed yesterday...why is it taking so long?

[Shamrock]

Lillard is still locked for 3+1 so Blazers still are going to want some substantial back. Not just a Miami poo poo platter

[BigTrade92]

This really is the most wonderful time of the year

Need the rumors to keep flowing

[Shamrock]

I expected Jaylen to be signed yesterday...why is it taking so long?

In fairness Jaylen just seems like the type of person that will drag this decision out for a little bit. But.. could be something else

[fallguy]

Jaylen is the single best asset available in trade for Dame. But you need to route him to a third team that sends value back to the Blazers. And that third team needs to be a place where Jaylen wants to be. Tricky but not impossible.

I wonder if there's anything in a SAS-POR-BOS deal.

[darrendaye]

Grant into the 9mm TPE Miami created from Oladipo and rerouted to Portland? Allowable component in a theoretical 3-team trade?

[BK_2020]

Rockets massively overpaid VanVleet, forced Bucks to overpay for Lopez. Who's the next guy they're gonna overpay for? Dillon Brooks hopes it's him otherwise he's got nowhere to go.

Grant Williams

He's one of the best players left. I think it's Brooks though. It's probably gonna be announced soon.

Is he even one of the best PFs left? What separates Grant from the poo poo platter of Saric, Crowder, Wood, Justice Winsow, Derrick Jones, Jr. and the like?
Then there's PJ Washington who's a tier above.

[celticfan42487]

I would do it.

But if we can get Lillard without moving JB (so Brogdon + other guys), it would be preferred.

Yeah it's an interesting one. I think if we added him our team solves it's biggest issue - lack of penetration/ball handling against teams like Miami. Plus it takes away from the Heat who will be tough to beat with a Lillard/Butler/Bam combo. And add a real killer/leader who plays big in big moments

Lillard is just a much better player than JB, too. Lillard was 10th in the NBA last season with a BPM of 7.1. JB was 66th in the league with a BPM of 1.3. Yikes..

Lillard is also a much better fit with Tatum & Porzingis. JB is redundant with Tatum (both are score-first wings but neither of them is an elite shooter, neither is an elite defender, neither is an elite playmaker) and also redundant with Tatum and Porzingis (all 3 are high usage guys, high scorers, but none of them are elite defensively, none are elite playmakers).

The last 13 NBA champions have had a guy with a 30% or higher assist rate. With the way our roster stands right now, our highest assist % guy last season was Brogdon, at 21.5%. That is an extremely low number for your leading assist % guy. Compare that to Dame, who has had better than a 30% assist rate SEVEN times in his career, including each of the past 6 seasons. 35% assist rate just last season.

Another addition to this for people viewing KP as the next hub of the offense.

Jaylen Brown has a 1.2 assist to turnover ratio

KP has a 1.3 assist to turnover ratio

JB average 3.5 assists last year, KP averaged 2.7

We have two guys here who put the ball in the basket at 49% and can't play make. You want someone who can set them up to do what they do, score.

As much as JB has added no help at all for Tatum in the playmaking department, KP is no Jokic himself in fact he's pretty much just another JB. Except instead of drives he just does jump shots from 3 or from mid range.

Dame has said he'll never play in Boston basically many times, but we really need pieces that fit.

JB, Tatum, KP is 3 pieces that don't fit. You're missing a playmaker. And JB or KP should be traded for one, ideally KP because you can't plan on KP playing more than 50 games in any given season but I know for PR reasons we can't trade KP anytime soon.

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Get Joe from OKC.

It wouldn't shock me if OKC now looks to trade Micic. By signing him to this type of contract first, it allows them to get more value back via trade. Due to salary matching. If they traded him without a contract (and simply traded his rights), all they would probably get back is draft compensation.

Look at Sasha Vezenkov - he was being stashed overseas, with no NBA contract. The Cavs had his rights, but a year ago the Cavs traded his rights to Sacramento for draft compensation.

Plus, other teams may now be more open to negotiating a trade for Micic with OKC, since now they won't have to worry about going through the whole process of working with Micic and his agent on negotiating a contract. OKC has done that for them. Other teams might not want to trade for his "rights" because there's risk involved - what if the team and Micic can't agree on contract terms or the team can't get the contract terms to be to their liking? What if they can't get him to agree to a salary number that allows them to stay under the cap or under the 2nd apron? Trading for Micic just became much less complex. It's now more cut and dry, now that he has a contract.

Trading for Micic rights is like putting an item in your shopping cart and getting all the way to the register without knowing how much it costs. Well, now teams know how much he costs..it makes more sense to (is smarter shopping) to know the price of something before putting it into your shopping cart.

OKC now has a VERY crowded back court. You have Giddey and SGA, plus Cason Wallace who they just traded up to get with the 10th pick in the draft. You would think these 3 guys would be the guards they prioritize getting minutes for, especially being a young, rebuilding team - why give mins to 29 year old Micic over them? Plus they have Isaiah Joe, who's 23 and Tre Mann, who's 22.

OKC has a ton of guards and wings but they're very thin at the 4 and 5 spots. I wouldn't be surprised if they now look to trade Micic (or possibly Joe or Mann) for some help at the 4/5 spots..

Micic isn't gonna want to come over from Europe to play behind a bunch of young kids on a play-in time.

For such little money he would be a great player for the Celtics to target and trade for. A relatively big guard who can playmake and shoot. We just need someone to come in and set up the table and get some easy looks for our 3 artillery pieces out there.

3 years too is right about where everyone on our roster is signed for.

Agreed.

I got mocked on here by some for saying it, but the NBA player who Micic reminds me of the most is Malcolm Brogdon. Brogdon is obviously more proven in the NBA, but he also makes like $14 mil more than Micic.

As we've been discussing on here, we don't *have* to trade Brogdon, but the option is there to make a move where you possibly trade Brogdon, replace him with someone lie Micic. And since Micic makes about $14 mil a year less than Brogdon, that allows you to add another quality player to the team. Maybe it means that now you can resign Grant, maybe it means you can now sign a solid player with the TPMLE.

But it's an option.

Perhaps something like Micic to Boston, Brogdon to Clippers and Clippers send assets to OKC. OKC is very thin at the 4 and 5 spots. Perhaps they'd like someone like Batum, Covington or Morris - or even Zubac (that would leave the clippers thin at center, but I've heard some rumors that they may be open to trading Zubac).

Zubac (a big, beefy dude who can't shoot or handle the ball) could pair nicely alongside Chet (a PF/C who is skinny but can handle the ball and shoot it well).

We've been talking with the Clippers about a Brogdon trade. And we have a history of making trades with OKC too (Horford, Muscala). It's not that farfetched, imo.

[watsonthedragon]

It is strange we have heard a single things about JB extension yet.

[Edug27]

It is strange we have heard a single things about JB extension yet.

I was just saying this. You’d expect it to be done by now.

[chrisab123]

Smart Pritchard and picks would have been nice package if the Clippers didn’t **** us on Brogdon

Please there are posters on this board who probably wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Dame. They would have lost their **** slightly less than they did regarding Porzingis.

Hes a Miami Heat. Celtics can match salary without giving up Porzingis Brown Rob or Tatum. They can even give a better package out of that to the Blazers than the Heat would. The problem is that Dame will not come to Boston. He wants to go to Miami or Brooklyn thats it. I don't want a disgruntled superstar and wondering if he's going to show up

Please. He would be on a contender and have multiple years left. Miss me with the "disgruntled" crap

The years left does not matter. Its a players league and the superstars generally get what they want.