Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Eatgreenz]

Woj not mentioning the Nets as interested for Dame should be telling. Thats Sean Marks source. Which means Marks is holding off on our assests for a bigger fish. Could be Giannis(who I personally dont like but it be whatever) or who I really think could might become available is Luka. Marks sent kyrie over to Dallas on a mission to do what he does best. So he has to be keeping tabs over there. Thats a guy you send every assest we got over for.

[Hello Brooklyn]

respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.

Lillard is not a legit #1. He couldn't even get the Blazers to the play in.

He wilts every time he gets to the second round.

He's a great #2. But having a small guard as your #1 option is a recipe for disaster. Curry is the only exception.

We are well positioned to add a star to this team. You don't have to jump up at the first one. Sell the farm for Giannis or Luka.

Both look headed towards a divorce.

Giannis and Luka are not coming here. This is not a hot destination. Ky only came here for nostalgia and everyone else came to play with him. If we want stars, we need to draft or trade for one

Oh please. Of course its a hot destination.

KD/Kyrie/Harden came here. Then not even a season goes by and Lillard wants to come here.

We have a good owner. Are in NYC.

Stars would love to come here as long as James Dolan owns the Knicks.

[TheNetsFan]

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Nets will monitor the offers, and then decide whether to engage. They're playing it off as not interested, but they'll be opportunistic if the offer to beat is low enough.

[Tha King]

Woj not mentioning the Nets as interested for Dame should be telling. Thats Sean Marks source. Which means Marks his holding off on our assests for a bigger fish. Could be Giannis(who I personally dont like but it be whatever) or who I really think could might become available is Luka. Marks sent kyrie over to Dallas on a mission to do what he does best. So he has to be keeping tabs over there. Thats a guy you send every assest we got over for.

the next couple years Ingram, Trae, Zion, Mitchell etc. could also all be available through trade or FA.

tbh if you're not going to draft a star, the best way to sustainable contention might be adding one with cap space where you keep the rest of your team and assets. We did it with KD and the team was really set up incredibly well if he chose someone else to team up with.

[Keith Van Horn]

I still can't believe FVV got that bag.

If we don't get Dame, I'm hoping we can sneak in on one of the Hawks guards

[Netaman]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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[Marvin Martian]

Lillard is not a legit #1. He couldn't even get the Blazers to the play in.

He wilts every time he gets to the second round.

He's a great #2. But having a small guard as your #1 option is a recipe for disaster. Curry is the only exception.

We are well positioned to add a star to this team. You don't have to jump up at the first one. Sell the farm for Giannis or Luka.

Both look headed towards a divorce.

Giannis and Luka are not coming here. This is not a hot destination. Ky only came here for nostalgia and everyone else came to play with him. If we want stars, we need to draft or trade for one

Oh please. Of course its a hot destination.

KD/Kyrie/Harden came here. Then not even a season goes by and Lillard wants to come here.

We have a good owner. Are in NYC.

Stars would love to come here as long as James Dolan owns the Knicks.

Kyrie came here because the Nets were his hometown team. KD and Harden didn't care about the franchise at all. The moment they felt that they were no longer going to play with Kyrie, they bolted.

I cannot remember NYC signing any big name stars from FA aside from Amare Stoudamire decades ago

The only way the Nets are bringing in stars is through a trade

[Hello Brooklyn]

Giannis and Luka are not coming here. This is not a hot destination. Ky only came here for nostalgia and everyone else came to play with him. If we want stars, we need to draft or trade for one

Oh please. Of course its a hot destination.

KD/Kyrie/Harden came here. Then not even a season goes by and Lillard wants to come here.

We have a good owner. Are in NYC.

Stars would love to come here as long as James Dolan owns the Knicks.

Kyrie came here because the Nets were his hometown team. KD and Harden didn't care about the franchise at all. The moment they felt that they were no longer going to play with Kyrie, they bolted.

I cannot remember NYC signing any big name stars from FA aside from Amare Stoudamire decades ago

The only way the Nets are bringing in stars is through a trade

As if thats the only reason. KD wanted to be in NYC.

If we were still in NJ we wouldn't get anyone.

Dwight Howard wanted to come here too.

NYC didn't sign any big stars because James Dolan is a terrible owner. Nets will attract a ton of stars.

[Hello Brooklyn]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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Its not a waste. You put together a competitive team to attract stars. Similar to the '19 team.

I'm not making Lillard my franchise player. Hes not worth it and his contract sucks.

[Paradise]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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Its not a waste. You put together a competitive team to attract stars. Similar to the '19 team.

I'm not making Lillard my franchise player. Hes not worth it and his contract sucks.

No star is coming here on some cheap deal. Luka or anyone else would be here on more money.

Lillard fits what Brooklyn is about and he’s never shown to be a quitter. He attracts other stars. He would’ve been a far better fit than Kyrie in hindsight. Be grateful another star handpicks us to be a destination...again. That was unheard of 10 years ago. We’ve come along way from Dwightmare.

[CalamityX12]

Didn't realize Toppin was available

I would've been down tbh

It's like Rui for me

[Paradise]

Woj not mentioning the Nets as interested for Dame should be telling. Thats Sean Marks source. Which means Marks his holding off on our assests for a bigger fish. Could be Giannis(who I personally dont like but it be whatever) or who I really think could might become available is Luka. Marks sent kyrie over to Dallas on a mission to do what he does best. So he has to be keeping tabs over there. Thats a guy you send every assest we got over for.

the next couple years Ingram, Trae, Zion, Mitchell etc. could also all be available through trade or FA.

tbh if you're not going to draft a star, the best way to sustainable contention might be adding one with cap space where you keep the rest of your team and assets. We did it with KD and the team was really set up incredibly well if he chose someone else to team up with.

Lol Half of those are in problematic situations and problematic players.

Character matters. Lillard is a culture driver. Not a diva. You listed a bunch of guys who aren’t built for NYC. Again, we have to be realistic of who can come here and fit in regardless of age.

[vincecarter4pres]

respectfully i think the not matching timeline thing is nuts. cam and bridges are 27. they arent 22. they are under contract for the next 3-4 years respectively. dame is under contract for his age 33, 34, 35, 36. the day after the 4th anniversary of "the clean sweep" we know better than anyone how much can change in 3-4 years.

The only timeline Dame matches is a 2 year window for a title.

We would still need to find a 3rd star to contend even after trading for him.

If you’re blowing all these premium assets you need a 4-7 year window imho, or you just stay the course.

Imho, Dame has like 1 season of MVP level play left and then an inevitable unknown decline of some trajectory.

Miami would add him to a core of Butler and Bam, good role players and ring chasers will always love Miami.

would i rather get someone younger like mitchell? sure but it is exceedingly unlikely cleveland trades him. he is under contract for 2 years. if im marks the only way im passing on a lillard pursuit is if ive had conversations knowing that a mitchell type is available.

There is almost always someone of that ilk available and ultimately dealt.

And Dame wants Miami. Marks always preaches we only want guys who want to be here. We don’t need another Harden situation. Do we ever learn anything from anything?

if the nets get lillard they will still have 2 big TPEs, a bunch of picks to keep adding, and Simmons turning into an expiring next year.

TPE’s are always tremendously overrated, as often are expirings. We always talk about them in fictional deals on here, but how often are they used league-wide, let alone specifically by us? And how often do they bring an actual valuable player back, especially when there are no tangible assets to add to a trade package?

lillard is a legit #1.
bridges gets his chance as a #2.

Yes and he’s never been able to get it done as a number 1 with a good number 2 next to him.

He hasn’t even gotten to a Finals.

Great player, all time great. But unless we have another big time needle mover next to Dame and Bridges, chances are we come up way short. And that’s without sacrificing all our depth and athleticism and perfect fit role guys in the process of acquiring said 3rd player.

claxton, cam, dfs, etc slot into the exact right roles for their games. culture fits. im putting a better offer on the table than miami and making lillard force his way there.

He absolutely fits this roster, but again, 33 years old and again, all the assets to be a darkhorse who likely gets straight dragged by Denver if we even get there. And again, good chance we lose Clax or one of DFS or O’Neale trading for him.

If he comes here, I’ll be an excited fan and enjoy the ride, but it still seems obviously shortsighted as is standard operation with this organization since day 1 in BK.

[JKiddy]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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Its not a waste. You put together a competitive team to attract stars. Similar to the '19 team.

I'm not making Lillard my franchise player. Hes not worth it and his contract sucks.

No star is coming here on some cheap deal. Luka or anyone else would be here on more money.

Lillard fits what Brooklyn is about and he’s never shown to be a quitter. He attracts other stars. He would’ve been a far better fit than Kyrie in hindsight. Be grateful another star handpicks us to be a destination...again. That was unheard of 10 years ago. We’ve come along way from Dwightmare.

We have come a long way.

What our FO and owner are likely discussing is this:

Should we give up 3 very very very valuable picks for 2 great seasons of 33 and 34 year old Dame and then a decent injury plagued season of 35 year old drop off in production Dame OR wait it out and grab Luka (or a young star) at age 27 on a 4-5 year deal then?

That is the question my friends. As much as I love Dame and think we'd likely make a nice playoff push for this and next season with him... I think I know what you all would want here...

[MGrand15]

I'm not saying we're bonafide contenders if get Dame but I think everyone needs to adjust from the superteam era. Real teams are the ones making noise in the playoffs.

Miami went to the finals with Jimmy, Bam, and solid roleplayers. Jokic just won a chip as the lone all star. Curry won a chip with a washed up Klay + an older Draymond and role players.

I'm cool with whatever direction we take as long as we don't overpay.

[Hello Brooklyn]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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Its not a waste. You put together a competitive team to attract stars. Similar to the '19 team.

I'm not making Lillard my franchise player. Hes not worth it and his contract sucks.

No star is coming here on some cheap deal. Luka or anyone else would be here on more money.

Lillard fits what Brooklyn is about and he’s never shown to be a quitter. He attracts other stars. He would’ve been a far better fit than Kyrie in hindsight. Be grateful another star handpicks us to be a destination...again. That was unheard of 10 years ago. We’ve come along way from Dwightmare.

Luka is also WAY better and younger.

I'm not paying 37 year old Lillard 50 million. No thanks.

Thats fine but hes proven hes not good enough to lead a team to a title. We won't have the assets after trading for Dame to get another star.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm not saying we're bonafide contenders if get Dame but I think everyone needs to adjust from the superteam era. Real teams are the ones making noise in the playoffs.

Miami went to the finals with Jimmy, Bam, and solid roleplayers. Jokic just won a chip as the lone all star. Curry won a chip with a washed up Klay + an older Draymond and role players.

I'm cool with whatever direction we take as long as we don't overpay.

You don't need a Superteam. But you need a legit #1 type guy to win a title.

Jimmy Butler has been that guy again and again in the playoffs. Guy was putting up 50 in the Bubble vs prime LeBron.

Lillard is not that guy.

So the question is. How can we possibly get that #1 type guy after giving up assets for Lillard? Seems unlikely to me.

[Marvin Martian]

Its not a waste. You put together a competitive team to attract stars. Similar to the '19 team.

I'm not making Lillard my franchise player. Hes not worth it and his contract sucks.

No star is coming here on some cheap deal. Luka or anyone else would be here on more money.

Lillard fits what Brooklyn is about and he’s never shown to be a quitter. He attracts other stars. He would’ve been a far better fit than Kyrie in hindsight. Be grateful another star handpicks us to be a destination...again. That was unheard of 10 years ago. We’ve come along way from Dwightmare.

We have come a long way.

What our FO and owner are likely discussing is this:

Should we give up 3 very very very valuable picks for 2 great seasons of 33 and 34 year old Dame and then a decent injury plagued season of 35 year old drop off in production Dame OR wait it out and grab Luka (or a young star) at age 27 on a 4-5 year deal then?

That is the question my friends. As much as I love Dame and think we'd likely make a nice playoff push for this and next season with him... I think I know what you all would want here...

I am skeptical about Dame but he is really being underestimated here. An average Dame year would be a career year for most stars in their prime.

There is a serious risk of waiting it out. Because once Bridges contract expires he is going to get 40 mil a year. Can you build a better team with Bridges making max money in 4 years or Bridges right now on a bargain deal?

[vincecarter4pres]

So the alternative plan is waste 1 or more of bridges and cams last few years in their 20’s? If luka hit the block tomorrow why does he want to come here?

I’m not saying go all in but passing altogether on a guy who has us as one of his preferences and fits the team in a basketball sense really well seems stupid to me. He took Portland to the playoffs in tough WC 8/10 years and had them .500 when he played this year when they were 20 games under without him. Knowing there’s enough ammo for follow up moves I’m in if the price is reasonable.


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Don’t think anyone is questioning Dame’s pedigree or heart. But he’s 33 and on a contract that will pay him over $60’million in his age 35-36 seasons.

No one beats father time.

Someone said it earlier this week on here. It doesn’t matter if he’s still productive. You need MVP level Dame all 4 years if you’re giving up a ton of premium assets and smoking salary cap flexibility for half a decade.

This is an easy pass if he doesn’t come dirt cheap.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm not saying we're bonafide contenders if get Dame but I think everyone needs to adjust from the superteam era. Real teams are the ones making noise in the playoffs.

Miami went to the finals with Jimmy, Bam, and solid roleplayers. Jokic just won a chip as the lone all star. Curry won a chip with a washed up Klay + an older Draymond and role players.

I'm cool with whatever direction we take as long as we don't overpay.

You don't need a Superteam. But you need a legit #1 type guy to win a title.

Jimmy Butler has been that guy again and again in the playoffs. Guy was putting up 50 in the Bubble vs prime LeBron.

Lillard is not that guy.

So the question is. How can we possibly get that #1 type guy after giving up assets for Lillard? Seems unlikely to me.

I would absolutely not say, Lillard is not that guy.

He is not Steph, or LeBron, or Jokic, but he is a crazy great #1. He’s never been paired with a top #2 though. The thing is, broken record time… he’s too old compared to asset cost and cap implications, and Bridges possibly not good enough, or real enough a #2 to change any of that here though. That’s why he’s an easy pass for us, from my perspective.