2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[89Magicfan]

Solution: draft 11th next year, resign everybody, run it back. Evaluate again

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[jonbob17]

You are joking right? You think Gary Harris is pushing the 6th pick out of the rotation and Suggs to reserve minutes?

I don't know why they picked up Harris, maybe think they need the salary as an option for a future trade, but Harris isn't starting, i am not sure he averages more than 15 minutes or so.

Harris literally started over Suggs last year so I don’t really see why that would change. As it stands right now, he’s the only guy of the six guards who can make threes consistently.

And you’re not understanding that if Harris plays even 15 minutes a night that means neither rookie is playing.

You really can only play four guards in a 10 man rotation. Two of the six guys are going to get squeezed out pretty much completely.

I can’t imagine since they have said they want to make the playoffs that they’re going to pay Harris and Ingles 24 million combined to be glued to the bench.

Last year by minutes
Fultz 30
Cole 26
Harris 25
Fultz 24

Those probably all skew a little high due to injuries. Other guys got minutes at guard positions.

Orlando only had 3 guys last year play more that 60 games, an incredibly low bar, Franz, Paolo, and Bol. You need the depth. I think Ingles get minutes behind Franz, assuming he looks healthy. Think they will try to find some for Howard and Houston, maybe play Franz some at 4 with the reserves.

Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Black
Franz/Ingles/Howard
Paolo/JI/
WCJ/Goga

The team would be insane to draft Black and not give him minutes, maybe ease him in over the first month. The Magic are making the playoffs with or without Harris getting time.

[Stormofreign]

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[eyriq]

If there really not going to be a move, then Cole is just going to have to play off ball. Thats just how it has to be. He's capable. There's no other possible way this works unless Black is going to ride the bench.

Fultz/Black
Suggs/ Cole

With Garry Harris playing spot minutes. With Blacks height you could get away with having Black, Cole and Harris on the floor together. It's feeling like we are probably not a playoff team as we are going to have to do alot of lineup experimenting in the first half of the season to figure of what works. Seem very unlikely we have a solid rotation for the majority of the season.

This is the most likely scenario if we run it back. Cole already averages more minutes per game than Harris and the SL was much better with Suggs than Harris. Black is going to be much better than Cole right out of the gate and has a shot at being better than Fultz right out of the gate (I would bet on it, he's a top tier PG prospect).

The benefit of this guard rotation is that the three guard lineups will have much better size as well with Black in it vs otherwise.

[jezzerinho]

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Shame you dont get to choose how people decide to support their team.

Fans have a voice. If they choose not to use it when their team is being mismanaged, thats their prerogative. If theyre happy with a decade of mediocrity, also fine with me. If they think the pace of progress is sufficient, great.

But those of us who disagree and want to let it be known, shouldnt and wont be shut up by you. For obvious reasons.

[89Magicfan]

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[p0peye]

Imo Hennigan was victim of own mistakes ,cancers he didn't know when to drop.

Payton menaged to lose starting job for 3 different coaches in 3 different years.

Yet he was still 100% supporting him as "starter" as he never even tried to find starting level PG or even backup to challenge him.

Harris was slight overpay, but he panicked as he just drafted Hezonja and Gordon, who both played same/similar position as Harris.

One mistake led to another, in year when we had money, instad of FINALLY adressing PG position, we traded Oladipo for Ibaka and signed BIyombo and Green. All 3 players that stil didn't solve fact that it was f**** Elfrid Payton tasked to do thing he can't - run a damn offense.

Evan over night becomes "core"p player by default as only person capable of shooting from perimeter.



Even after Hammond and Weltman took over, they still wasted one whole season doing nothing, than most hilarious thing happends, same roster, where Payton is dropped FOR NOTHING , makes playoffs with DJ Augustin starting. Same DJ Augustin who was brought to Payton's backup. Payton's fade from nba was so quick that in matter of two years he was no longer rotation player.


This is what happends when you think with emotions instad of your head as front office. Payton proved he isn't starting level PG back in 2016. But Hennigan elected to be a blind to a fact.

Payton was the hill Rob chose to die on, as much as he was being pressured to deliver by ownership. While shooting is being usually called out in Elfrid's case, it's the defensive lapses that was IMO more of an issue that even Ibaka/Biyombo duo couldn't fix.

By the way, if we didn't even try to get Reaves instead of Ingles, I am officially pissed.

[Furinkazan]

meh draft meh FA moves...

nothing new... I think we all are used to it...

each year we see other teams doing exciting stuff stars chaning teams :p fans excited...
and theres Orlando Magic fan life

[SOUL]

I'm personally excited about this team. Just like people don't have to be happy, it doesn't influence my vision of the team until things actually happen. Not worrying about playing time or extensions or logjams until they happen.

I've seen talk about logjams here for months.. until our team was a walking infirmary 2 weeks into the season and we were signing players off of the street.

I've seen talk about rookies not getting enough playing time.. until the vets took a backseat and they got ample opportunity.

I think running it back was the decision last year and the way free agency came out this year meant we either had to overpay for someone like FVV or just sit on your hands unless you had a lot of roster spots to fill (like the Lakers).

I personally think we're ripe for a consolidation trade this upcoming season. Can't force the trade if it isn't there.

[mattyBoi]

The front office has about one more year before people go ballistic.

[Ralof]

I have zero trust long term,for total opposite reasons of 99% of pessimistic guys here.

but,tbh,i really think WeHam made a good job this offseason.
(except that #11,that is really a joke,is not defensible even by me).

but the rest of the moves really has sense and you can easily see"the vision"and it is really appropriate for today nba,even ahead of many other teams.

barring another "injuries extravaganza",really think we can reach our season goal and do the play-in next season.

[Cammo101]

Imo Hennigan was victim of own mistakes ,cancers he didn't know when to drop.

Payton menaged to lose starting job for 3 different coaches in 3 different years.

Yet he was still 100% supporting him as "starter" as he never even tried to find starting level PG or even backup to challenge him.

Harris was slight overpay, but he panicked as he just drafted Hezonja and Gordon, who both played same/similar position as Harris.

One mistake led to another, in year when we had money, instad of FINALLY adressing PG position, we traded Oladipo for Ibaka and signed BIyombo and Green. All 3 players that stil didn't solve fact that it was f**** Elfrid Payton tasked to do thing he can't - run a damn offense.

Evan over night becomes "core"p player by default as only person capable of shooting from perimeter.



Even after Hammond and Weltman took over, they still wasted one whole season doing nothing, than most hilarious thing happends, same roster, where Payton is dropped FOR NOTHING , makes playoffs with DJ Augustin starting. Same DJ Augustin who was brought to Payton's backup. Payton's fade from nba was so quick that in matter of two years he was no longer rotation player.


This is what happends when you think with emotions instad of your head as front office. Payton proved he isn't starting level PG back in 2016. But Hennigan elected to be a blind to a fact.

I think Hennigan was mostly a victim of bad lottery luck, constantly picking right outside of the top tier of prospects. One good bounce of a ping pong ball and he may still be our GM. What I liked about Hennigan was that he wasn't scared to make a move. It seems like our current front office is content to just keep trying to improve through the draft, but that so rarely actually works. Too much youth plateau's all that youth. You have to pick a couple and move the other ones for established talent. The current front office seems scared to death to make a big move and it will eventually kill us.

[Cammo101]

I'm personally excited about this team. Just like people don't have to be happy, it doesn't influence my vision of the team until things actually happen. Not worrying about playing time or extensions or logjams until they happen.

I've seen talk about logjams here for months.. until our team was a walking infirmary 2 weeks into the season and we were signing players off of the street.

I've seen talk about rookies not getting enough playing time.. until the vets took a backseat and they got ample opportunity.

I think running it back was the decision last year and the way free agency came out this year meant we either had to overpay for someone like FVV or just sit on your hands unless you had a lot of roster spots to fill (like the Lakers).

I personally think we're ripe for a consolidation trade this upcoming season. Can't force the trade if it isn't there.

I don't totally disagree. But, I also think you have to be looking forward and projecting and not waiting for the bad to happen and then trying to adjust to it.

[The Effect]

Crazy to me that we went into this off-season with top 5 most cap space and got mo Wagner and 36 to Ingles, while a contender like the Lakers were able to sign guys like Vincent, prince, Hayes, reddish and still re-sign dlo, rui and reaves and still have cap space... How?

Why do we sit on our hands and run it back with scrubs like MoW and a 36 year old? Why aren't WeHam actually trying to improve the bench instead of the same ole same ole

Literally the laziest FO in the league. They only scout lotto picks, ignore 2nd rounders, ignore FA and ONLY count on players developing at some crazy pace instead of actively making moves to win

No wonder they are so satisfied with the play-in spot

[Magic#1]

The front office has about one more year before people go ballistic.

Unless we have a sub-35 win season with Paolo and Franz mostly healthy, people have no reason to go ballistic. The respectable goal is to get at or near 40 wins, make the play-in and maybe the playoffs. Then keep a watch on what is going on around the league and decide if we have a potential contender with our current crew or if we need to make a trade for a star that wants out.

[SOUL]

I don't totally disagree. But, I also think you have to be looking forward and projecting and not waiting for the bad to happen and then trying to adjust to it.

Well, the 2025 season is when it starts and I think moves will be made this up coming season (trade deadline), so it's still way before that. I'm jut saying that the only thing not shaking the boat more now means is that they feel okay not chasing the big names currently available, which I don't really blame them for.

[Stormofreign]

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If your needs is an forever positive fan, your a fan of the wrong team bud. We don’t do that here.

We’re The Orlando Magic...Where turds rise to the top.

Evaluate.Hibernate. Orlando Magic 2023

What we don’t need is someone who criticizes moves before they even play out. By your comments it’s obvious you’re not a fan, but a fatalist.


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[89Magicfan]

Then go cheer for another team. We don’t need or want your pessimism.
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If your needs is an forever positive fan, your a fan of the wrong team bud. We don’t do that here.

We’re The Orlando Magic...Where turds rise to the top.

Evaluate.Hibernate. Orlando Magic 2023

What we don’t need is someone who criticizes moves before they even play out. By your comments it’s obvious you’re not a fan, but a fatalist.


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I don’t care about your needs. Call your DR if that’s what you’re looking for. This is a forum to discuss Magic basketball which includes criticism. It’s actually what a fan does.

[SOUL]

Crazy to me that we went into this off-season with top 5 most cap space and got mo Wagner and 36 to Ingles, while a contender like the Lakers were able to sign guys like Vincent, prince, Hayes, reddish and still re-sign dlo, rui and reaves and still have cap space... How?

..

The Lakers had 8 unrestricted free agents and 3 RFA.

The Magic had 1 unrestricted free agent (Mo Wagner) and team options on three guys (Goga, MCW, Schofield), 2 of which they declined.

If you wanted movement for movement's sake, then flip the script of the Magic having to fill 8 slots and other team poaching those guys, then you'd get a whole bunch of movement.

[cedric76]

That's it folks, well done weham