Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Jay555]

Welp, as i said before. We're not trading Harden or Tobias until this Lillard stuff get solved.

Lillard **** the Blazers hard anyway, got his contract, made Portland give Grant an extension and then wants out

Dame doesn’t want to come to Sixers. We should be continuing our trade talks regardless.

[Murray_17]

Can Miami get Lillard without moving Herro and Bam anyways?

At least you have to move Herro/Bam and Duncan/Lowry. I doubt Portland is gonna accept only pick and expirings.

That looks like a horrible deal for the Heat

[sixers hoops]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

Yeah, if they deals aren’t good enough, they may end up keeping Harden. Unless Morey can mend things though, it may not be worth the effort to try to keep him. However, I would force him to sit the season before I took bad contracts off anybody’s hands.

[Jay555]

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I think even if we can't find a good Tobias trade I'd still run it back. This team was not far off this past year, and I think I'd bet on Maxey's progression and Harden's regression to be a net positive.

Add Reed being a full time rotation player and maybe Springer gives you a bonus and the losses so far are not bad. McDaniels market seems tepid so maybe we get him back on a good deal.

Maybe the ego of Harden and maybe Harris can't stomach running it back but I think we can win it all if it can be pieced back together.

And we all get some cookies.

Let me just point out that Boston added Porzingis and Miami may be adding Dame. Cleveland added shooting with Strus and Niang. If Miami doesn't get Dame and stands completely pat, which seems unlikely to me, maybe we don't lose ground to them. Otherwise, just look at the Sixers' competition and ask yourself whether running it back without any meaningful additions (and with the loss of Niang and Milton, although I'm less concerned with Shake) seems so attractive.

Celtics - Smart is huge for them. Porzingis fades in the playoffs. So we will see whether this version of Celtics would be better or worse. On paper, they are always the Fav and have been for years!

Heat - as said, big 3 + fillers won’t work most of the time. Let’s see if they are healthy enough to go all the way because it burdens the star players in the regular season when your depth is gone.


Cleveland - I actually think they have improved a lot. But Embiid should have their centers number. So I kinda don’t worry about them at this stage.

[sixers hoops]

Welp, as i said before. We're not trading Harden or Tobias until this Lillard stuff get solved.

Lillard **** the Blazers hard anyway, got his contract, made Portland give Grant an extension and then wants out

Dame doesn’t want to come to Sixers. We should be continuing our trade talks regardless.

I think Miami is out of the Harden talks until Dame is traded, so they may wait for Dame to get traded first.

[Skates]

Sixers need to build a team filled with guys that move with or without the ball, enough scoring that Embiid isn’t up in the 30+ ppg range, unselfish play and more athleticism. One of the big impediments to this, with Harden leaving and Nurse likely able to sell Embiid on being DPOY focused, is PJ Tucker. They need a guy like PJ, but not the can’t even make a layup old version of him. The aim should be depth with less weak one way players.

The last few years every time I watched a Sixers game it didn’t matter if the ball moved, you could tell if they had a chance to play a great game when the players were moving on offense. When that happened good things always followed.

[GoSixersBro]

Sixers need to build a team filled with guys that move with or without the ball, enough scoring that Embiid isn’t up in the 30+ ppg range, unselfish play and more athleticism. One of the big impediments to this, with Harden leaving and Nurse likely able to sell Embiid on being DPOY focused, is PJ Tucker. They need a guy like PJ, but not the can’t even make a layup old version of him. The aim should be depth with less weak one way players.

The last few years every time I watched a Sixers game it didn’t matter if the ball moved, you could tell if they had a chance to play a great game when the players were moving on offense. When that happened good things always followed.

Game 1 vs Boston.

This is why Embiid as a 35ppg scorer plodding down the court and catching the ball at top of the key will never work in the playoffs.

[Embiid P]

Knowing Miami, they'll somehow get Dame for peanuts because they're well...Miami aka the Lakers of the East. For us, it would require a king's ransom aka Harden, Maxey and multiple unprotected picks for Portland to even consider it.

[Murray_17]

Welp, as i said before. We're not trading Harden or Tobias until this Lillard stuff get solved.

Lillard **** the Blazers hard anyway, got his contract, made Portland give Grant an extension and then wants out

Dame doesn’t want to come to Sixers. We should be continuing our trade talks regardless.

I think Miami is out of the Harden talks until Dame is traded, so they may wait for Dame to get traded first.

Every team is out of the Harden talks until Dame is traded. The Clippers also would preffer to get Dame 100 times over Harden

[Jay555]

Knowing Miami, they'll somehow get Dame for peanuts because they're well...Miami aka the Lakers of the East. For us, it would require a king's ransom aka Harden, Maxey and multiple unprotected picks.

It amazes me how Lakers were able to strike good trade after another.

[Jay555]

Dame doesn’t want to come to Sixers. We should be continuing our trade talks regardless.

I think Miami is out of the Harden talks until Dame is traded, so they may wait for Dame to get traded first.

Every team is out of the Harden talks until Dame is traded. The Clippers also would preffer to get Dame 100 times over Harden

Except Dame only wants to go to the Heat or Nets. Other teams can dream all they want, it just ain’t happening.

[Skates]

Knowing Miami, they'll somehow get Dame for peanuts because they're well...Miami aka the Lakers of the East. For us, it would require a king's ransom aka Harden, Maxey and multiple unprotected picks.

It amazes me how Lakers were able to strike good trade after another.

Dwayne Wade as part owner of the Jazz explains one of those good trades, he did LBJ a solid.

[ProcessDoctor]

Apparently Portland wants a star back for Dame. How about a (former) star in Harden?

[youngcrev]

Apparently Portland wants a star back for Dame. How about a (former) star in Harden?

Star level return, not a star in return

[FireMorey]

They should demand Bam or no deal.

Rockets traded for Patty Mills.

[Jay555]

Apparently Portland wants a star back for Dame. How about a (former) star in Harden?

Riley faints. If they give up Bam, no point in trading for Dame. Lol

[mjkvol]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I hated the Tobi signing when it first happened, and have advocated for a trade every year since then. But at this point, in the last year of his contract, there's no longer any reason to trade him (unless it's as part of a deal for a real star). He's a pretty good player who got paid as if he were a great one. Next summer if he can be re-signed for Harrison Barnes kind of money, maybe a little more, he'd be very desirable to have.

Also, what team is going to give up two decent 3 & D players for Tobias Harris, who himself is a better version of a 3 & D guy? Find the players you think would fit that description and make a proposal for how it could work. If it could-- if he could bring back two solid guys in that mold, good 3P shooters who play good defense-- I'd be interested. But those guys don't grow on trees.

Unless you mean 3&D players who really can't score unless it's a bunny, dunk, or an open 3-- think Tucker and Thybulle-- would you want two of them in exchange for Tobi? Cause I sure don't.

If Harden wants out and won't play, move him to Chicago for DeRozan and a pick or two. DeRozan is an expiring who is a shot creator and can run an offense, and it's only a one year deal.

But really, just running it back would be ideal. Get a shooter (Curry?), resign McDaniels, maybe add a couple more pieces, and away we go. Worst case scenario is we're sellers at the deadline and in great shape in summer 2024.

[Jay555]

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I hated the Tobi signing when it first happened, and have advocated for a trade every year since then. But at this point, in the last year of his contract, there's no longer any reason to trade him (unless it's as part of a deal for a real star). He's a pretty good player who got paid as if he were a great one. Next summer if he can be re-signed for Harrison Barnes kind of money, maybe a little more, he'd be very desirable to have.

Also, what team is going to give up two decent 3 & D players for Tobias Harris, who himself is a better version of a 3 & D guy? Find the players you think would fit that description and make a proposal for how it could work. If it could-- if he could bring back two solid guys in that mold, good 3P shooters who play good defense-- I'd be interested. But those guys don't grow on trees.

Unless you mean 3&D players who really can't score unless it's a bunny, dunk, or an open 3-- think Tucker and Thybulle-- would you want two of them in exchange for Tobi? Cause I sure don't.

If Harden wants out and won't play, move him to Chicago for DeRozan and a pick or two. DeRozan is an expiring who is a shot creator and can run an offense, and it's only a one year deal.

But really, just running it back would be ideal. Get a shooter (Curry?), resign McDaniels, maybe add a couple more pieces, and away we go. Worst case scenario is we're sellers at the deadline and in great shape in summer 2024.

Curry? Signed a 2 year deal with Mavs.

[FireMorey]

Clippers re-signed Westbrook. Wonder if that takes them out of the Harden running. I'd doubt it, but who knows.

[Negrodamus]

Apparently Portland wants a star back for Dame. How about a (former) star in Harden?

Houston gets Harden and Tucker
Philly gets Lillard
Trailblazers get Green plus picks from Hou, Sixers

Not advocating for it, but kinda makes sense.