Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[Nebuchadnezzar]

What do yo consider overwhelming that leaves the Raptors a contender with Lillard?

Because we have a number of very good players, but no superstars, we are in the best position because if we trade any combination of OG, Scottie, or GTJ, we can trade for Dame and still have a big 3 with Dame as number 1. This is Masai's design.

Other teams have superstars and crap players. So unless they trade one of their superstars/ stars, they won't get Dame. If they do trade for Dame they won't have enough to be good when Dame is added.

if you trade 2 of OG/Scottie/GTJ you are simply not a contender.

I have always been high on Dame. But Dame/Pascal and what is left would not be a contender. That a 2nd round max team in the East. 1st round exit in West depending on matchup.

Maybe? I feel like a big three of Pascal Scottie and Dame can get it done.

If it's Scottie and spare parts, and we run out og,Pascal, Gary, Jak, and Dame - that's a contender. I know you all don't like it, but that team can win the East.

But if we are at the place where they are asking for two of those guys, that's far and away a better offer than any other team. In that scenario, I think Masai can walk it back to one of them because no one else can match.

[Merit]

After what he's meant to that team and city, they would be crucified by players/agents/media if they sent him anywhere other than Miami. We could offer Siakam, OG, Barnes, GTJ and Dick and if Dame says no to Toronto, then that trade isn't happening. Rightly or wrongly, that is the NBA now.

Rightly or wrongly he has a contract.

[YogurtProducer]

If Masai doesn’t want to rebuild, trade Scottie for Dame.

I have 0 confidence in this FO to build around Scottie in time.

That and Scottie hasn’t really proven to be a guy you build around. He’s a piece but I don’t know if he’s THE piece. Realistically if we fully go around Scottie we gotta get another prospect who has more scoring ability.

[Scizzup]

Because we have a number of very good players, but no superstars, we are in the best position because if we trade any combination of OG, Scottie, or GTJ, we can trade for Dame and still have a big 3 with Dame as number 1. This is Masai's design.

Other teams have superstars and crap players. So unless they trade one of their superstars/ stars, they won't get Dame. If they do trade for Dame they won't have enough to be good when Dame is added.

if you trade 2 of OG/Scottie/GTJ you are simply not a contender.

I have always been high on Dame. But Dame/Pascal and what is left would not be a contender. That a 2nd round max team in the East. 1st round exit in West depending on matchup.

Maybe? But if we are at the place where they are asking for two of those guys, that's far and away a better offer than any other team. In that scenario, I think Masai can walk it back to one of them because no one else can match.

Scottie is the most valuable piece they would want back but you have to give up something with him to make that trade works.

If it's Scottie/Boucher/Thad then you have to include multiple picks. PDX will look out for Dame but will want good asset back. They not just going to trade him to a team like Toronto not on his list.


Spurs and Kawhi had friction, situation is different.

[Rapsfan07]

Adding a 3rd team will be tricky if Portland doesn't want Herro and or Lowry can be redirected but I can't fathom what team that would be. Herro's a 20/5/4 guy with great splits. We know that Masai tried to get him before and our offense can get stagnant. I'm a HUGE OG fan and OG wants more of an offensive role and ballhandling, as he's again putting that out there - I just don't think that's for him and I actually think he wants to go. Trade defense that's expiring for offense/ballhandling that the Raptors need that's locked in for 4 years. I just worry about moving a top 5 defensive player, steals leader and potential DPOY candidate - but Id hate to lose him for nothing next offseason.

Portland out - Dame
Portland in - OG, Lowry, 2 frps, 3 swaps
TO out - OG, OPJ
TO in - Herro
Heat out - Lowry, Herro, 2 frps, 3 swaps
Heat in - Lillard, OPJ

Miami gets: Lillard
Toronto gets: Butler
Portland gets: OG, Boucher, Thad, and picks/swaps

Jimmy Buckets doesn't get the respect he deserves. He's a guy who can literally carry a team to the Finals. I guarantee the Heat will not trade him, even for OG and picks.

The goal for the Heat will be to have a Lillard, Butler, Bam big 3 and that, with the right role players are good enough to be the best team in the East and maybe even the favorites for a championship.

When the dust settles, I'm willing to bet it's going to be a three teamer with Lowry, Herro going to a third team and picks and young players

[HumbleRen]

If Masai doesn’t want to rebuild, trade Scottie for Dame.

I have 0 confidence in this FO to build around Scottie in time.

That and Scottie hasn’t really proven to be a guy you build around. He’s a piece but I don’t know if he’s THE piece. Realistically if we fully go around Scottie we gotta get another prospect who has more scoring ability.

I agree, hence why I've been in favor for a rebuild over the last 3 years.

I don't know what the FO will do, I just know that I personally have 0 confidence in them.

Turbulent times ahead for the franchise. Should make for some fun times on this board.

[JL2002]

Nah lol Lillard will not be a Raptor.....Hes going to the Heat for a deal sim to Beal to Suns....Lillard did ALOT and was very Loyal and loved in the city of Portland ....Hes beloved there....They want to move on from Lillard and will let Lillard choose his landing spot...

Lillard is not picking the Raptors so he will not get traded here..

You're talking about courtesy. But if Raptors put forth an overwhelming offer and Blazer's Front office refuse and goes with the Heat package, that idiotic. Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal. I'm not saying Portland will accept, but I'm saying this is the time for Masai to go all in with an overwhelming offer.

What do yo consider overwhelming that leaves the Raptors a contender with Lillard?

OG + GTJ + bunch of picks and swaps to start. I would even say Barnes + filler straight up if we are going for it. Poeltl, Pascal, OG, GTJ, Dame is a pretty good starting lineup. The question really is, what can other team like Miami can offer that can beat the package already. We aren't going anywhere and Masai has waited 3-4 years ever since Giannis signed his extension for another Kawhi's trade opportunity. If we are going for it, this will probably be the best star that we have a shot at.

[JL2002]

Nah lol Lillard will not be a Raptor.....Hes going to the Heat for a deal sim to Beal to Suns....Lillard did ALOT and was very Loyal and loved in the city of Portland ....Hes beloved there....They want to move on from Lillard and will let Lillard choose his landing spot...

Lillard is not picking the Raptors so he will not get traded here..

You're talking about courtesy. But if Raptors put forth an overwhelming offer and Blazer's Front office refuse and goes with the Heat package, that idiotic. Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal. I'm not saying Portland will accept, but I'm saying this is the time for Masai to go all in with an overwhelming offer.

Couldn't disagree more... This team is not magically going from play-in to championship contender by replacing FVV, Barnes ++ for 33yr old Dame... Let's be real.

We realistically only have to offer Barnes+filler and maybe a few picks. We then have a realistic contending team. If that doesn't get us there then trade away OG, and Pascal because we will never get there anyway.

[Scizzup]

Dame is going to Miami or Brooklyn two of his preferred spots. This is how these things works. PDX would likely go with BK as they have more picks to offer.

They not just going to trade a franchise favorite that never really had issues with to random team like Toronto or Pelicans.

[Raptors Realtor]

You're talking about courtesy. But if Raptors put forth an overwhelming offer and Blazer's Front office refuse and goes with the Heat package, that idiotic. Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal. I'm not saying Portland will accept, but I'm saying this is the time for Masai to go all in with an overwhelming offer.

Couldn't disagree more... This team is not magically going from play-in to championship contender by replacing FVV, Barnes ++ for 33yr old Dame... Let's be real.

We realistically only have to offer Barnes+filler and maybe a few picks. We then have a realistic contending team. If that doesn't get us there then trade away OG, and Pascal because we will never get there anyway.

I do believe the move at this stage is to trade Pascal for young players & picks, as opposed to dealing young assets & picks for 33yr old Dame.

[kirkwood]

I heard Portland likes Dick

[Clutch0z24]

You're talking about courtesy. But if Raptors put forth an overwhelming offer and Blazer's Front office refuse and goes with the Heat package, that idiotic. Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal. I'm not saying Portland will accept, but I'm saying this is the time for Masai to go all in with an overwhelming offer.

What do yo consider overwhelming that leaves the Raptors a contender with Lillard?

OG + GTJ + bunch of picks and swaps to start. I would even say Barnes + filler straight up if we are going for it. Poeltl, Pascal, OG, GTJ, Dame is a pretty good starting lineup. The question really is, what can other team like Miami can offer that can beat the package already. We aren't going anywhere and Masai has waited 3-4 years ever since Giannis signed his extension for another Kawhi's trade opportunity. If we are going for it, this will probably be the best star that we have a shot at.

Thats what should happen.....We should realistically offer up Barnes for Dame since Masai is fixated on competing with Siakam atm....

But it prolly won't do not get your hopes up ...Like the many posters did last summer with the KD rumors...Its just all talk but i feel its a players league and superstars have more power than we think....Ik we could prolly put up a good offer for Dame but ill believe it when i see it....I still think he will get traded to a team he gives the okay too...

[JL2002]

Couldn't disagree more... This team is not magically going from play-in to championship contender by replacing FVV, Barnes ++ for 33yr old Dame... Let's be real.

We realistically only have to offer Barnes+filler and maybe a few picks. We then have a realistic contending team. If that doesn't get us there then trade away OG, and Pascal because we will never get there anyway.

I do believe the move at this stage is to trade Pascal for young players & picks, as opposed to dealing young assets & picks for 33yr old Dame.

I agree, but the problem with that is the front office. We are bleeding asset left and right. We all know this FO is waiting for another Kawhi's trade and Giannis was our last best case scenario hoping he would go into free agency and did not. At this rate, Pascal and OG will sign their max extension or near max next off season (or someone correct me) and I'm pretty sure Barnes will be eligible for an extension too soon, that will be it for us.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

You're talking about courtesy. But if Raptors put forth an overwhelming offer and Blazer's Front office refuse and goes with the Heat package, that idiotic. Dame doesn't have a no trade clause like Beal. I'm not saying Portland will accept, but I'm saying this is the time for Masai to go all in with an overwhelming offer.

What do yo consider overwhelming that leaves the Raptors a contender with Lillard?

OG + GTJ + bunch of picks and swaps to start. I would even say Barnes + filler straight up if we are going for it. Poeltl, Pascal, OG, GTJ, Dame is a pretty good starting lineup. The question really is, what can other team like Miami can offer that can beat the package already. We aren't going anywhere and Masai has waited 3-4 years ever since Giannis signed his extension for another Kawhi's trade opportunity. If we are going for it, this will probably be the best star that we have a shot at.

GTJ, Precious, Boucher 3 picks, 3 swaps. 4 picks 4 swaps if it sweetens the deal.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Dame is going to Miami or Brooklyn two of his preferred spots. This is how these things works. PDX would likely go with BK as they have more picks to offer.

They not just going to trade a franchise favorite that never really had issues with to random team like Toronto or Pelicans.

Na f that. To the spoils the victor of what benefits Portland the most.

[JRoy]

I heard Portland likes Dick

I know TOR was exited to take Dick, and did.

[Clutch0z24]

Read on Twitter

Sounds like a deal is in place just a matter of details?

[Scizzup]

Because we have a number of very good players, but no superstars, we are in the best position because if we trade any combination of OG, Scottie, or GTJ, we can trade for Dame and still have a big 3 with Dame as number 1. This is Masai's design.

Other teams have superstars and crap players. So unless they trade one of their superstars/ stars, they won't get Dame. If they do trade for Dame they won't have enough to be good when Dame is added.

if you trade 2 of OG/Scottie/GTJ you are simply not a contender.

I have always been high on Dame. But Dame/Pascal and what is left would not be a contender. That a 2nd round max team in the East. 1st round exit in West depending on matchup.

Maybe? I feel like a big three of Pascal Scottie and Dame can get it done.

If it's Scottie and spare parts, and we run out og,Pascal, Gary, Jak, and Dame - that's a contender. I know you all don't like it, but that team can win the East.

But if we are at the place where they are asking for two of those guys, that's far and away a better offer than any other team. In that scenario, I think Masai can walk it back to one of them because no one else can match.

they have zero shot. Dame needs a number 2 close to him in impact and Pascal is not.

Like Dame and Jimmy works because both are borderline top 10 players. Pascal is not close to either. Then who is my 3rd and 4th most important guy?

I am focused on playoffs not regular season. Pascal giving you below average efficiency as a number 2 isn't winning with Dame.

[WuTang_CMB]

POR doesnt want Herro

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What am I missing here? Doesn't seem to me like the Heat have the assets to get this deal done (unless Bam is outbound). Even if they bring in a third team, I don't see how Portland gets proper value back.