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Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1121 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:23 pm

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Lillard fits what Brooklyn is about and he’s never shown to be a quitter. He attracts other stars. He would’ve been a far better fit than Kyrie in hindsight. Be grateful another star handpicks us to be a destination...again. That was unheard of 10 years ago. We’ve come along way from Dwightmare.


We have come a long way.

What our FO and owner are likely discussing is this:

Should we give up 3 very very very valuable picks for 2 great seasons of 33 and 34 year old Dame and then a decent injury plagued season of 35 year old drop off in production Dame OR wait it out and grab Luka (or a young star) at age 27 on a 4-5 year deal then?

That is the question my friends. As much as I love Dame and think we'd likely make a nice playoff push for this and next season with him... I think I know what you all would want here...

I am skeptical about Dame but he is really being underestimated here. An average Dame year would be a career year for most stars in their prime.

There is a serious risk of waiting it out. Because once Bridges contract expires he is going to get 40 mil a year. Can you build a better team with Bridges making max money in 4 years or Bridges right now on a bargain deal?

Passing on Dame doesn’t mean wait 4 seasons and waste all of Bridges prime and cap friendly contract.

As soon as Dame is dealt, there will be the next rumors swirling.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1122 » by Decipher » Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:43 pm

For those worried about Dame’s salary, LaMelo Ball is about to be paid the same

I think that warrants repeating

LaMelo Ball will be paid the same as Dame

Now I don’t particularly want Dame here unless the price is reasonable (and it won’t be) but his salary is likely to be movable at some point so not as bigger deal as it was just a few days ago
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1123 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:56 pm

Sounds like we may be the team to take on Herro.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1124 » by Decipher » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:08 pm

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1125 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:22 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Sounds like we may be the team to take on Herro.

I don’t hate it.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1126 » by therealbig3 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:32 pm

Decipher wrote:For those worried about Dame’s salary, LaMelo Ball is about to be paid the same

I think that warrants repeating

LaMelo Ball will be paid the same as Dame

Now I don’t particularly want Dame here unless the price is reasonable (and it won’t be) but his salary is likely to be movable at some point so not as bigger deal as it was just a few days ago


Not worried about his salary at all. I’d rather not part with our best assets for a 2 year stretch with Dame that’s not going to lead us to contention anyway. We just went through it with Harden. We included Jarrett Allen and a boatload of picks in the deal for him, and Allen has gone on to be one of the best young bigs in the league and an All-Star, while Harden had half a season with us when he actually played well, then got injured and was unavailable during the most important part of the season, and then he sulked and bounced the next season. Guess who’s going to be more of an impact player for the next 5-7 years? Allen. In hindsight, we ALL wish we kept him (and all those picks) for what turned out to be a rental of a superstar on the wrong side of 30 who could very easily decline rapidly in the near future.

I see the same situation with Dame if we trade picks and Claxton for him. Except in this instance, unlike the Harden deal…we’re still a lower end playoff team even with Dame.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1127 » by Eatgreenz » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:35 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Sounds like we may be the team to take on Herro.

I don’t hate it.

Whats your opinion on Herro does he have all star potential or chance to be like harden when went from okc to Houston. i Dont know much about his game other than he cant defend but can shoot and score
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1128 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:41 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Sounds like we may be the team to take on Herro.

I don’t hate it.

Whats your opinion on Herro does he have all star potential or chance to be like harden when went from okc to Houston. i Dont know much about his game other than he cant defend but can shoot and score

I don't, but Kentucky guards always tend to do well in the NBA. I think he can be a good player, but definitely overpaid.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1129 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:43 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Sounds like we may be the team to take on Herro.

I don’t hate it.

Whats your opinion on Herro does he have all star potential or chance to be like harden when went from okc to Houston. i Dont know much about his game other than he cant defend but can shoot and score

Nah, absolutely not Harden.

I’m not a huge fan overall, but he’s a pretty ace shooter on solid volume, can play on and off ball, bad defender and gets hurt a lot.

But he’s 20/5/4 on a strong playoff team on above average efficiency as a 3rd option.

We need scoring and playmaking in the flow to have a chance at the playoffs and to take pressure off Bridges.

That contract isn’t great either though.

I don’t love it, don’t even like it, but I don’t hate it.

Then again, what are sending out to match salary and what assets are they expecting us to take?

Would prefer if we didn’t, but I’ll try to trust the process if we did.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1130 » by Keith Van Horn » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:43 pm

are we sending Ben out in a potential Herro deal?

how is this gonna work?
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1131 » by therealbig3 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:44 pm

Herro is a good player, very good scorer and shooter and secondary creator. He’s actually exactly what this team would need.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1132 » by Shark » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:00 am

Keith Van Horn wrote:are we sending Ben out in a potential Herro deal?

how is this gonna work?

Feels like it. Patty was supposed to be a big part of Ben's recovery and now we've traded him. Unless the team is absolutely confident Ben is all good and doesn't need a mentor like Patty then I would think this is a signal that we might be moving on.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1133 » by Stone » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:16 am

Ah Man, first Joe and now Patty. These were two solid people. Hope the best for both of them.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1134 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:17 am

Shark wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:are we sending Ben out in a potential Herro deal?

how is this gonna work?

Feels like it. Patty was supposed to be a big part of Ben's recovery and now we've traded him. Unless the team is absolutely confident Ben is all good and doesn't need a mentor like Patty then I would think this is a signal that we might be moving on.

Man, if we get Herro for say Simmons and the Philly pick, I think I’d be cool with that. Messes up future cap space though.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1135 » by Netaman » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:19 am

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Nets will monitor the offers, and then decide whether to engage. They're playing it off as not interested, but they'll be opportunistic if the offer to beat is low enough.


this is the exact right approach to take.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1136 » by Decipher » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:19 am

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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1137 » by JoseRizal » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:22 am

C'mon guys! Let's not get ourselves in mediocre territory. Wasting our cap space for a one-trick pony and glorified chucker like Herro means that we embrace being treadmill team.

It's either we go big time or stay the course and be patient. Tbh, I'd rather we traded Mikal for Scoot on draft night than be a perennial Play-In team.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1138 » by Netaman » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:25 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
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We have come a long way.

What our FO and owner are likely discussing is this:

Should we give up 3 very very very valuable picks for 2 great seasons of 33 and 34 year old Dame and then a decent injury plagued season of 35 year old drop off in production Dame OR wait it out and grab Luka (or a young star) at age 27 on a 4-5 year deal then?

That is the question my friends. As much as I love Dame and think we'd likely make a nice playoff push for this and next season with him... I think I know what you all would want here...

I am skeptical about Dame but he is really being underestimated here. An average Dame year would be a career year for most stars in their prime.

There is a serious risk of waiting it out. Because once Bridges contract expires he is going to get 40 mil a year. Can you build a better team with Bridges making max money in 4 years or Bridges right now on a bargain deal?

Passing on Dame doesn’t mean wait 4 seasons and waste all of Bridges prime and cap friendly contract.

As soon as Dame is dealt, there will be the next rumors swirling.


how many of them are going to be near perfect basketball fits for what the nets need? mitchell if he hits the market at some point, which is unlikely within the year. and luka which is even more unlikely in the short term.

the nets rumored approach (per woj) is exactly right. don't go crazy but if all they need to do is beat the crappy heat offer then get er done.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1139 » by Netaman » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:29 am

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where are they going? portland?

if portland wants them why wouldn't we just get dame instead of herro? the nets have about 3-4x the pick currency miami has. they can retain a lot of tradeable picks and beat the miami offer.

if the nets think simmons is a dead asset and this is a way to move off him and get a player they like better in herro i get that. simmons may be dead $. but even if he is, he's going to portland not miami! if portland wants our players why not just get dame instead of herro? he is the much better player and that is still likely to be true the last year of his deal when he's 36!!!
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#1140 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:31 am

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Marvin Martian wrote:I am skeptical about Dame but he is really being underestimated here. An average Dame year would be a career year for most stars in their prime.

There is a serious risk of waiting it out. Because once Bridges contract expires he is going to get 40 mil a year. Can you build a better team with Bridges making max money in 4 years or Bridges right now on a bargain deal?

Passing on Dame doesn’t mean wait 4 seasons and waste all of Bridges prime and cap friendly contract.

As soon as Dame is dealt, there will be the next rumors swirling.


how many of them are going to be near perfect basketball fits for what the nets need? mitchell if he hits the market at some point, which is unlikely within the year. and luka which is even more unlikely in the short term.

the nets rumored approach (per woj) is exactly right. don't go crazy but if all they need to do is beat the crappy heat offer then get er done.

What is beating the crappy Heat offer though?

3 of the 4 premium picks we own?

No thanks!

And Dame’s now gone all in on the Heat as his only destination.

Don’t go star f***ing and chase players who don’t really want to be here, especially at asset and opportunity cost for a 33 year old guy making $60 mill a year.

A near perfect fit for 2 seasons, then $60 million a season for end of prime level Mike Conley?

Idk man…
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