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Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now?

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What is your confidence in Morey this summer?

I'm very confident in Morey. I still think he's good. I expect him to have a good offseason
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21%
I'm still hanging in there somewhat confident in Morey, but he needs to have a big offseason
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13%
I'm in wait and see mode. I'm not for or against him right now. I'm in limbo with him
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I've lost confidence in Morey. I won't rule out a good summer, but I don't expect it
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I'm completely out on Morey. He's not as good as we thought, I have no faith in him
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#41 » by spikeslovechild » Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:58 pm

Still in limbo but rapidly losing confidence
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#42 » by shlo » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 pm

All this Harden mess was totally predictable. Trading Simmons for Harden instead of taking the (admittedly rumored) Haliburton trade was a huge blunder.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#43 » by youngcrev » Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:17 am

Your beloved star wants out, Tobias is annoyed with rumors, Maxey may feel some type way about not getting extended, Lord knows what Embiid is thinking right now.

You've also had a couple FAs walk and haven't signed/re-signed anyone.

Gotta say... This early lack of action has my confidence a bit shaken. And I don't know that the team (Embiid specifically) can deal with another Ben Simmons trade situation hanging over their head for a while.

Not great.
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Post#44 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:12 am

Went into the summer with no plan. Feels like Less-ey is "waiting to see where the chips fall" before deciding what to do. Which is bad GMing. You have to have a plan and execute it.
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Post#45 » by SixersSince82 » Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:53 am

Would have liked to see us move faster on a Harden trade but the fact that he opted in and that the 6ers seem like they are prioritizing 2024 free agency gives me a renewed sense of confidence.
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Post#46 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:15 am

I do feel like he has played his hand relatively well. He came in with a mess of a roster. But this is looking like quite a tough spot.
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Post#47 » by sixers4real » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:18 am

Kobblehead wrote:Went into the summer with no plan. Feels like Less-ey is "waiting to see where the chips fall" before deciding what to do. Which is bad GMing. You have to have a plan and execute it.

What would be your plan?
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Post#48 » by sixers hoops » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:23 am

Morey has a history of chasing older, past-their-prime players that amount to regular season wins, but not so much in the playoffs. How many big moves has he pulled off for the Sixers?

-The Harden vs Haliburton trades was a tough call for me, but I posted at the time, we will only have two playoff shots with Harden, and if we don’t get to the finals it was the wrong choice. In Hindsight, now I know it was the wrong choice.

-He signed a 38 year old Tucker to a three year deal. Dumb.

-He got hit for tampering to sign Danuel House. Are you kidding me? House is the type of guy you sign after the good players are off the board. He’s not the indispensable priority that you risk tampering. The saddest part is we know House was his plan A because he pursued him before he could even pursue anybody else.

-He admitted in a radio interview, that the Nets really wanted Thybulle in the Ben trade. So he could keep Thybulle, he added one or both first-round picks. I can’t remember if the Thybulle trade off was one or two picks, but he gave up picks to keep Thybulle here, and Thybulle barely played after that.

-He traded Thybulle and a 2nd for McDaniel, who lost his spot in the playoff rotation, then left via free-agency. Should’ve just kept the pick if he didn’t have confidence his coach was going to use the guy.

-He traded a first for Melton. Let’s see what he gets out of this with Melton a year from free-agency. Early returns on the trade are good.

-He had a great pick in Maxey. Essentially took the best player available on everyone’s board.

-He swapped Richardson for Curry. Great trade.

-He swapped Horford’s contract and a 1st for Danny Green. That was another Brand move cleanup.

Niang was a good signing.

First two years of Springer have shown nothing. I hope this year he breaks out.

His late season acquisitions like DeAndre Jordan, Dedmon, Milsap, George Hill, etc have been a collective negative.

Considering he left the Rockets short several picks that he traded for Westbrook, and he had very little talent left on that roster, he really left them in a mess. He really demonstrated that he will use every resource available and leave the organization a mess when he leaves.

Brett Brown had the Sixers one last second shot from the ECF, losing to the eventual champions. Morey can cite regular season wins as progress, but in three years, he hasn’t gotten us any closer to a title.

He took a gamble on Harden, who many were concerned about, and it is now blowing up in his face. The cap room for next summer seems like a carrot to hold fans off with dreams of max free-agents, but there really isn’t much out there, let alone a great player looking to come here.

His tenure with the Sixers has been mostly a rearranging of the titanic deck chairs, highlighted by a head-case “point guard” who was scared to shoot a jumper replaced by a motion stopping point guard who really doesn’t care about winning.

I think he made a good coaching hire, but the fact that the majority of his acquisitions have been failures, I‘m starting to hope he gets fired before he does much more damage to the franchise.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#49 » by Embiid P » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:02 am

sixers hoops wrote:-He traded Thybulle and a 2nd for McDaniel, who lost his spot in the playoff rotation, then left via free-agency. Should’ve just kept the pick if he didn’t have confidence his coach was going to use the guy.


Don't forget he RECEIVED two 2nds (the Knicks 2024 and Portland's 2029 I believe) and McDaniels for Thybulle and our second this year. Which makes this trade incomplete until both picks either convey or are used in a trade.
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Post#50 » by JudahMax » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:31 am

Arsenal wrote:
76ciology wrote:Top duo
Possibly one of the best 3rd and 4th guy
Top 7 in depth as per analytics
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

We were the vegas favorites to win it when we were up 3-2

Sometimes.. or i mean.. most times.. players just have to deliver.


If we had Nurse instead of Glenn we win the Boston series. It's that simple. Coaching matters.


I agree with this 100%
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Post#51 » by JudahMax » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:38 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
76ciology wrote:Top duo
Possibly one of the best 3rd and 4th guy
Top 7 in depth as per analytics
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

We were the vegas favorites to win it when we were up 3-2

Sometimes.. or i mean.. most times.. players just have to deliver.


If we had Nurse instead of Glenn we win the Boston series. It's that simple. Coaching matters.

You can’t say that with Harden and Embiids’s track record. They are notorious losers.



Yeah your obviously stupid. The sixers bench averaged what 10 points in the boston series??? Doc didn’t even give guys a shot to make an impact! Nick nurse is huge in the OTHERS doing there part so I guarantee we have a explosion as a TEAM IN GAME 6 or 7 of that series. You clowns just say anything embid was saying since the off season weee gonna need EVERYONE TO GET IT DONE!! And he’s right it takes everyone to get to a championship and win it because your gonna have games where you need your bench to pick up the slack and win a game for you. That never happened with us with doc, many guys didn’t even get a chance like korkmaz smh if your gonna play niang you can play korkmaz!!! He can get hot as hot gets and nail you 7/8 threes and help you win a game but was never given a shot by doc
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#52 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:17 pm

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Jimmy Butler had the Sixers one last second shot from the ECF, losing to the eventual champions. Morey can cite regular season wins as progress, but in three years, he hasn’t gotten us any closer to a title.



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Post#53 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:19 pm

But yeah Harden and Embiid are losers, Simmons was an even bigger loser, puts into perspective the merit of what Jimmy Butler did by carrying this team to almost beat the eventual champions in 2019.
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Post#54 » by rzzzzz » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:27 pm

Harden opting in seems like good thing. Unlike Simmons, I’m guessing that Harden would rather play than lose salary. So it gives Nurse some shot at scheming the bearded playboy while Morey waits for an offer better than backbenchers and scraps. Provided he don’t throw Maxey into any deal, I’ll give him a chance to pull off something besides a nostalgia move.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#55 » by sixers hoops » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:49 pm

JudahMax wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
If we had Nurse instead of Glenn we win the Boston series. It's that simple. Coaching matters.

You can’t say that with Harden and Embiids’s track record. They are notorious losers.



Yeah your obviously stupid. The sixers bench averaged what 10 points in the boston series??? Doc didn’t even give guys a shot to make an impact! Nick nurse is huge in the OTHERS doing there part so I guarantee we have a explosion as a TEAM IN GAME 6 or 7 of that series. You clowns just say anything embid was saying since the off season weee gonna need EVERYONE TO GET IT DONE!! And he’s right it takes everyone to get to a championship and win it because your gonna have games where you need your bench to pick up the slack and win a game for you. That never happened with us with doc, many guys didn’t even get a chance like korkmaz smh if your gonna play niang you can play korkmaz!!! He can get hot as hot gets and nail you 7/8 threes and help you win a game but was never given a shot by doc


Let’s keep away from the “your obviously stupid” stuff. It’s not a good way to have healthy discussion and and it takes away from your credibility since it should be “you’re obviously stupid.” Let’s talk sports and keep name calling out of it.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#56 » by sixers hoops » Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:55 pm

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sixers hoops wrote:-He traded Thybulle and a 2nd for McDaniel, who lost his spot in the playoff rotation, then left via free-agency. Should’ve just kept the pick if he didn’t have confidence his coach was going to use the guy.


Don't forget he RECEIVED two 2nds (the Knicks 2024 and Portland's 2029 I believe) and McDaniels for Thybulle and our second this year. Which makes this trade incomplete until both picks either convey or are used in a trade.


Thanks. I didn’t realize he received two seconds. If anything, this trade looks average to potentially good. Jalen was a better fit, and those picks should be at least better than our pick we sent out.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#57 » by mjkvol » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:01 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Went into the summer with no plan. Feels like Less-ey is "waiting to see where the chips fall" before deciding what to do. Which is bad GMing. You have to have a plan and execute it.


Isn't it possible that this inaction became the plan once Harden opted in? That Morey saw the landscape and chose to make 2023-24 a reset year unless the right deal drops in his lap? And that he is at the moment 'executing' that plan?

If that is the case, it's more than fine with me.
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Post#58 » by sixers hoops » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:01 pm

rzzzzz wrote:Harden opting in seems like good thing. Unlike Simmons, I’m guessing that Harden would rather play than lose salary. So it gives Nurse some shot at scheming the bearded playboy while Morey waits for an offer better than backbenchers and scraps. Provided he don’t throw Maxey into any deal, I’ll give him a chance to pull off something besides a nostalgia move.


Well, Harden opting in is a great thing, but he asked to be traded, so who knows the likelihood of him playing here. I think it’s possible, but who knows?

I think this gives Morey an opportunity to get something for Harden, and finally add the right pieces to this roster.
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Post#59 » by sixers hoops » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:05 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Went into the summer with no plan. Feels like Less-ey is "waiting to see where the chips fall" before deciding what to do. Which is bad GMing. You have to have a plan and execute it.


Isn't it possible that this inaction became the plan once Harden opted in? That Morey saw the landscape and chose to make 2023-24 a reset year unless the right deal drops in his lap? And that he is at the moment 'executing' that plan?

If that is the case, it's more than fine with me.


I think the plan was to let James test the free-agency waters so he could see there was no real market, then opt-in or take a two year deal. James opting in and requesting a trade is probably not what Morey wanted. I think his plan included James being the starting point guard for the Sixers.
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Re: Reassessment time: Your confidence in Morey right now? 

Post#60 » by mjkvol » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:11 pm

sixers hoops wrote:-He signed a 38 year old Tucker to a three year deal. Dumb.

-He got hit for tampering to sign Danuel House. Are you kidding me? House is the type of guy you sign after the good players are off the board. He’s not the indispensable priority that you risk tampering. The saddest part is we know House was his plan A because he pursued him before he could even pursue anybody else.

-He admitted in a radio interview, that the Nets really wanted Thybulle in the Ben trade. So he could keep Thybulle, he added one or both first-round picks. I can’t remember if the Thybulle trade off was one or two picks, but he gave up picks to keep Thybulle here, and Thybulle barely played after that.



These moves, specifically including picks to keep Thybulle, were IMO his worst roster moves here, but the worst overall was not firing Glenn after the 2022 Miami meltdown. I never wanted him here and Morey didn't hire him, so firing him after Atlanta would have been preferable, but to watch two consecutive playoff meltdowns and allow him a third was brutal management. It's possible that it was more of an ownership play, but then what's the point of paying Morey all that money?
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