The current depth chart

[89Magicfan]

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Moritz, Goga
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Bol or Chuma
SF: Franz, Ingles, Jett
SG: Suggs, Gary, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
Two-Way: Kevon Harris, 2nd spot, 3rd spot

The rookies have to prove themselves before you hand them any minutes.

How do they prove themselves with no PT?

Looking competent at Summer League is a start.

That’s summer league. We’ve seen incompetent players look competent and competent players look incompetent.

They gotta get some PT. That roster needs some sort of a trade to balance it out.

[mattdelray1220]

How do they prove themselves with no PT?

Looking competent at Summer League is a start.

That’s summer league. We’ve seen incompetent players look competent and competent players look incompetent.

They gotta get some PT. That roster needs some sort of a trade to balance it out.

Literally the first time in over a decade our team has enough talent where guys have to earn minutes. Finally. People can complain this guys or that guy wont get minutes. Boo Hoo. Let's see who deserves it. It will work itself out.

[89Magicfan]

Looking competent at Summer League is a start.

That’s summer league. We’ve seen incompetent players look competent and competent players look incompetent.

They gotta get some PT. That roster needs some sort of a trade to balance it out.

Literally the first time in over a decade our team has enough talent where guys have to earn minutes. Finally. People can complain this guys or that guy wont get minutes. Boo Hoo. Let's see who deserves it. It will work itself out.

That’s not how it works. You don’t just bench a guy from the jump and say earn em. They have to get on the court with players that they can play with. What you’re saying takes no skill from coaching to management to do and never works from a development stand point.

[eyriq]

The one objective truth here is that Black will be in the rotation. **Sticks out tongue**

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The one objective truth here is that Black will be in the rotation. **Sticks out tongue**

Yeah, but will he be getting 20+ mpg or is he getting RJ Hampton scraps?

Orlando needs to make sure they are setting him up for success by not prioritizing the short term over the immediate future.

[zaymon]

The one objective truth here is that Black will be in the rotation. **Sticks out tongue**

Yeah, but will he be getting 20+ mpg or is he getting RJ Hampton scraps?

Orlando needs to make sure they are setting him up for success by not prioritizing the short term over the immediate future.

If he is any good he should take backup pg role by the end of the season and propably starter role next season. How quick it will happen doesnt really matter. Hampton was opposite, his role shrank.

[Knightro]

The one objective truth here is that Black will be in the rotation. **Sticks out tongue**

Don't get me wrong, Anthony Black *should* be in the rotation from Game 1 this season. That's the best thing for his development.

But those reps really need to come at point guard and right now there's no point guard reps to be had.

And in order for them to create point guard reps, they're either going to have to A. make a trade or they're going to have to B. move a player (Cole) who was *extremely effective* as a backup PG last season into a role he's never been good at (off ball SG) and also take their best 3PT shooter (Harris) out of the rotation.

It kind of blows me away how people (not you specifically, but as a general observation) can in one breath say some variation of "oh well there's no way they could start Black because rookies are bad and they can't afford to go backwards" but in the next breath suggest it's a no-brainer that Black should be playing over Cole and Harris when the team is theoretically trying to be as competitive as they can be.

These are the problems that creep up when you're trying to be competitive and develop players at the same time. It's just not easy to do both at the same time.

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The one objective truth here is that Black will be in the rotation. **Sticks out tongue**

Yeah, but will he be getting 20+ mpg or is he getting RJ Hampton scraps?

Orlando needs to make sure they are setting him up for success by not prioritizing the short term over the immediate future.

If he is any good he should take backup pg role by the end of the season and propably starter role next season. How quick it will happen doesnt really matter. Hampton was opposite, his role shrank.

That’s all well and good to say at face value.

At the end of the day Black should be a lead ball handler and he’s currently in a rotation with two guys in contract years. Mosely’s job is to win games. He’s not going to sacrifice that by developing Black against two guys that want a bag.

That’s like saying “Vucevic beat out rookie Bamba for playing time” like it wasn’t the obvious outcome. Even if Bamba wasn’t absolutely trash everyone that watches the nba knows rookies suck if they aren’t generational Lebron or Luka. The odds are already stacked against him.

People would absolutely have a case if Orlando was a deep playoff team with substantiated success. That’s just not the case whatsoever. Smart people don’t look at the season in front of them with no context of a plan 2-3 years down the road. This forum outs those people fairly easily from what I’ve noticed in the last 2 months.

[The-Stallion70]

Oof it hurts to see Black on the third team. We got to find ways to get both he abd Howard on the court.

[D12VCMagic]

Looking competent at Summer League is a start.

That’s summer league. We’ve seen incompetent players look competent and competent players look incompetent.

They gotta get some PT. That roster needs some sort of a trade to balance it out.

Literally the first time in over a decade our team has enough talent where guys have to earn minutes. Finally. People can complain this guys or that guy wont get minutes. Boo Hoo. Let's see who deserves it. It will work itself out.

Then guys who don’t get minutes lose trade value when we could just get ahead of it and get some value and better balance out the roster rather than act like we are smarter than everyone else for carrying 4 young PGs on the roster.

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Looking competent at Summer League is a start.

That’s summer league. We’ve seen incompetent players look competent and competent players look incompetent.

They gotta get some PT. That roster needs some sort of a trade to balance it out.

Literally the first time in over a decade our team has enough talent where guys have to earn minutes. Finally. People can complain this guys or that guy wont get minutes. Boo Hoo. Let's see who deserves it. It will work itself out.

It’s not a talent issue.

It’s a contract/value issue.

[zaymon]

Yeah, but will he be getting 20+ mpg or is he getting RJ Hampton scraps?

Orlando needs to make sure they are setting him up for success by not prioritizing the short term over the immediate future.

If he is any good he should take backup pg role by the end of the season and propably starter role next season. How quick it will happen doesnt really matter. Hampton was opposite, his role shrank.

That’s all well and good to say at face value.

At the end of the day Black should be a lead ball handler and he’s currently in a rotation with two guys in contract years. Mosely’s job is to win games. He’s not going to sacrifice that by developing Black against two guys that want a bag.

That’s like saying “Vucevic beat out rookie Bamba for playing time” like it wasn’t the obvious outcome. Even if Bamba wasn’t absolutely trash everyone that watches the nba knows rookies suck if they aren’t generational Lebron or Luka. The odds are already stacked against him.

People would absolutely have a case if Orlando was a deep playoff team with substantiated success. That’s just not the case whatsoever. Smart people don’t look at the season in front of them with no context of a plan 2-3 years down the road. This forum outs those people fairly easily from what I’ve noticed in the last 2 months.

We released Clifford and hired Mosley just for that. Mosley wont act against Weltman.
Bamba was longer on the team than Vucevic. He "won" the starting spot despite being one of the worst centers in the league.
We drafted Black and Howard exactly becouse we have a plan for longer than next season

[ogmagicfan]

my expectation at the start of the season is:

PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
SG: Harris, Suggs, Howard
SF: Franz, Ingles/Black
PF: Paolo, Ingles/Isaac
C: WCJ, Goga, Mo

I think there's a decent chance Suggs starts to begin the szn.

As the season progresses, one of the guards up for FA next szn will be traded, either Fultz or Cole.

I'm worried about a circumstance where Black (or Cole) is playing better than Fultz, but because the Magic are doing well they don't make the switch at starting PG.

That will be a true test of Mosely & the front office. Are they content with good, or are they willing to make "tough" decisions for greatness

[Rainwater]

my expectation at the start of the season is:

PG: Fultz, Cole, Black
SG: Harris, Suggs, Howard
SF: Franz, Ingles/Black
PF: Paolo, Ingles/Isaac
C: WCJ, Goga, Mo

I think there's a decent chance Suggs starts to begin the szn.

As the season progresses, one of the guards up for FA next szn will be traded, either Fultz or Cole.

I'm worried about a circumstance where Black (or Cole) is playing better than Fultz, but because the Magic are doing well they don't make the switch at starting PG.

That will be a true test of Mosely & the front office. Are they content with good, or are they willing to make "tough" decisions for greatness

Unless Fultz is having an All-Star type season I am certain he is gone regardless how great the magic record is. The fact they didn't extend him, and drafted Black should tell you the writing is on the wall.

[penny_nz]

Look I have no crystal ball, I don't know how the roster and peoples performance is going to shake out, but all these depth charts don't give me the warm fuzzies

That back court is log jammed with a whole bunch of "meh" and "praying for people to devlop". Also, if we make 2 x top 15 picks this year, choose guards and then run them in the third string getting scrub time minutes, what are we doing man...

I am much happier with the front court. I'm happy to run it back with Franz / Paolo / WCJ, and Ingles / Isaac give good wing rotation (when healthy).

[drsd]

Unless Fultz is having an All-Star type season I am certain he is gone regardless how great the magic record is. The fact they didn't extend him, and drafted Black should tell you the writing is on the wall.

The only way Black starts over Fultz is if Fultz is in a violent preseason workout incident. Oh wait .....




English poll question for the day:

Am I the only one bothered but he Title saying "big left toe" and not "left big toe"?

But:

Size always comes second in order of adjectives, after only opinions.

However,, "big toe" is a compound noun that can't be separated. Just like "middle finger."

So I think you are right here.

So: fan vote. Did Fultz break his big left toe or his left big toe? My vote is on "left big toe".

[JoshuaPotter]

Way to early for me to weigh in with any sort of seriousness. Totally looking to summer league right now to determine if Houstan, Black, Howard have improved.

[basketballRob]

The SL I want to see is Black, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, and WCJ. Hopefully, Suggs can stay healthy this season

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[mattdelray1220]

The SL I want to see is Black, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, and WCJ. Hopefully, Suggs can stay healthy this season

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Eventually. Maybe. Would not be shocked if Fultz is just better than Black. Fultz has surprised me so much. If we want to make the playoffs no chance Black starts. Guards need 2-3 years to understand the NBA game.

[basketballRob]

The SL I want to see is Black, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, and WCJ. Hopefully, Suggs can stay healthy this season

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Eventually. Maybe. Would not be shocked if Fultz is just better than Black. Fultz has surprised me so much. If we want to make the playoffs no chance Black starts. Guards need 2-3 years to understand the NBA game.

Black's whole mantra is feel for the game and quick decision making. The way he can also hang in the air long enough to draw fouls may make him a good player quickly. Fultz doesn't draw fouls or shoot threes.

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